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Topic: godliness is next to willingness to torture
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Thu 04/30/09 08:36 PM

Survey: Support for terror suspect torture differs among the faithful

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The more often Americans go to church, the more likely they are to support the torture of suspected terrorists, according to a new survey.

More than half of people who attend services at least once a week -- 54 percent -- said the use of torture against suspected terrorists is "often" or "sometimes" justified. Only 42 percent of people who "seldom or never" go to services agreed, according to the analysis released Wednesday by the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life.

White evangelical Protestants were the religious group most likely to say torture is often or sometimes justified -- more than six in 10 supported it. People unaffiliated with any religious organization were least likely to back it. Only four in 10 of them did.

The analysis is based on a Pew Research Center survey of 742 American adults conducted April 14-21. It did not include analysis of groups other than white evangelicals, white non-Hispanic Catholics, white mainline Protestants and the religiously unaffiliated, because the sample size was too small.

The president of the National Association of Evangelicals, Leith Anderson, did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

The survey asked: "Do you think the use of torture against suspected terrorists in order to gain important information can often be justified, sometimes be justified, rarely be justified, or never be justified?"
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Roughly half of all respondents -- 49 percent -- said it is often or sometimes justified. A quarter said it never is.

The religious group most likely to say torture is never justified was Protestant denominations -- such as Episcopalians, Lutherans and Presbyterians -- categorized as "mainline" Protestants, in contrast to evangelicals. Just over three in 10 of them said torture is never justified. A quarter of the religiously unaffiliated said the same, compared with two in 10 white non-Hispanic Catholics and one in eight evangelicals.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/04/30/religion.torture/index.html?JesusWept

RyanJonx33's photo
Thu 04/30/09 08:41 PM
Skip the tourture and just do away with them all. If they're terrorists like the govt. says they are, off with their heads. Just my opinion.

Winx's photo
Thu 04/30/09 09:30 PM
"The religious group most likely to say torture is never justified was Protestant denominations -- such as Episcopalians, Lutherans and Presbyterians -- categorized as "mainline" Protestants, in contrast to evangelicals. Just over three in 10 of them said torture is never justified. A quarter of the religiously unaffiliated said the same, compared with two in 10 white non-Hispanic Catholics and one in eight evangelicals."

I was raised Episcopalian and I'm Lutheran now. lol

ThomasJB's photo
Thu 04/30/09 09:32 PM

"The religious group most likely to say torture is never justified was Protestant denominations -- such as Episcopalians, Lutherans and Presbyterians -- categorized as "mainline" Protestants, in contrast to evangelicals. Just over three in 10 of them said torture is never justified. A quarter of the religiously unaffiliated said the same, compared with two in 10 white non-Hispanic Catholics and one in eight evangelicals."

I was raised Episcopalian and I'm Lutheran now. lol


So do you follow with majority on the survey then?

Winx's photo
Thu 04/30/09 09:36 PM


"The religious group most likely to say torture is never justified was Protestant denominations -- such as Episcopalians, Lutherans and Presbyterians -- categorized as "mainline" Protestants, in contrast to evangelicals. Just over three in 10 of them said torture is never justified. A quarter of the religiously unaffiliated said the same, compared with two in 10 white non-Hispanic Catholics and one in eight evangelicals."

I was raised Episcopalian and I'm Lutheran now. lol


So do you follow with majority on the survey then?


I don't like torture. I guess that means that I follow the survey on my religion then. I never associated it with my religion before though.

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Thu 04/30/09 09:44 PM
whats the piont?i am a christian.god does not tell us to roll over dead when our famillys lives are at stake.there is a difference in needless torture and interigation using harsh methods to obtain information that can save millions of innocent people.the mainstream press never ceases to amaze me in there low opinion of christ and god and anyone who believes and this is just another example of just how low they will go.i think.its worse than any torture that has been done on the part of america.we are not the bad guys.the terrorist is.somehow america has forgot 9/11.and the way we felt the day after.

RyanJonx33's photo
Thu 04/30/09 09:45 PM
If they're THAT dangerous to society that we have them locked up, fry em' the Texas way. I'll take my terrorist well done.

ThomasJB's photo
Thu 04/30/09 09:49 PM
Torture puts us at the same level as those we claim to be so much better than. It has never been shown to prevent an attack and the information gathered from it is unreliable.

Winx's photo
Thu 04/30/09 09:58 PM

Torture puts us at the same level as those we claim to be so much better than. It has never been shown to prevent an attack and the information gathered from it is unreliable.


That's true.

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Thu 04/30/09 10:05 PM

Torture puts us at the same level as those we claim to be so much better than. It has never been shown to prevent an attack and the information gathered from it is unreliable.

mark5222's photo
Thu 04/30/09 10:09 PM
thats debatable.some claim it does.if theres a doubt and your kids lives were at stake would you not use any method availible to save them icluding harsh interigation?or would you sweet talk them into talking?

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Fri 05/01/09 12:26 AM
Yep...people who blindly follow a mythical figure, who base their "spirituality" on fear of hell that is paired with a reward for being saved, who claim the Bible is the Word of God...

haha I could go on...

The point is these are sheeple who tend to believe, do and fear as they are told.

Idiots...

Where to start?

Torture does not produce reliable data.

Texas? Fry em? Yeah you do a fine job putting to death people who are likely innocent. Illinois has some interesting data on death penalty cases. The sate of "justice" in Texas is a national embarrassment. Fine job there Hoss!

Using torture makes us no better than those we vilify. It proves we are as monstrous as our enemies, creates martyrs and helps recruit others to hate us.

Torture ignores and erodes the rule of law.

Torturing ourselves leaves us with no moral ground or legal ground to stand on when our troops or civilians are tortured.

I could go on...but...

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Fri 05/01/09 12:40 AM
We mustn't forget who we are supposed to be dealing with...

An eye for an eye is not a bad idea in a case of kill or be killed, is it, unless one is Ghandi or Jesus?

If it is then lay down and die, I will not!

The validity of the intelligence by which the decisions are being based upon is/was suspect, but we cannot attempt to place the responsibility for that lack of information upon the Bush administration though, it would be wrongfully placed.

I am reminded of the Japanese American situation in WWII... sadly enough, there were no cases found or even officially charged for treason or espionage...

huh

A huge mistake!!! HUGE!!!

Land of the free? I would like to believe that we have grown in our maturity as a nation, but evidence suggests otherwise.



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Fri 05/01/09 02:44 AM
Using torture makes us no better than those we vilify. It proves we are as monstrous as our enemies, creates martyrs and helps recruit others to hate us.


So just who was it we were torturing to make those A$$HOLES fly planes into the WTC?

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Fri 05/01/09 05:18 AM

We mustn't forget who we are supposed to be dealing with...

An eye for an eye is not a bad idea in a case of kill or be killed, is it, unless one is Ghandi or Jesus?

If it is then lay down and die, I will not!

The validity of the intelligence by which the decisions are being based upon is/was suspect, but we cannot attempt to place the responsibility for that lack of information upon the Bush administration though, it would be wrongfully placed.

I am reminded of the Japanese American situation in WWII... sadly enough, there were no cases found or even officially charged for treason or espionage...

huh

A huge mistake!!! HUGE!!!

Land of the free? I would like to believe that we have grown in our maturity as a nation, but evidence suggests otherwise.






""""""Land of the free?"""""""

what does denmark have to do with this :wink:

shocked shocked


hey do unto others as they would do unto you


use the laws of those you have in custody if they chop off heads

then they must want their heads chopped off under the same situation

yer just doing what they want -- what is wrong with that

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Fri 05/01/09 06:36 AM
Edited by quiet_2008 on Fri 05/01/09 06:37 AM
praise the Lord and pass the nipple clamps

FreeToB's photo
Fri 05/01/09 06:40 AM

Torture puts us at the same level as those we claim to be so much better than. It has never been shown to prevent an attack and the information gathered from it is unreliable.


This is why I'm for killing them right off, same as they do with us.
Ask one a few questions nicely and put a bullet in his head. The next guy will talk longer.

FreeToB's photo
Fri 05/01/09 07:12 AM

praise the Lord and pass the nipple clamps


Clover or clothespin? pitchfork

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Fri 05/01/09 07:12 AM


praise the Lord and pass the nipple clamps


Clover or clothespin? pitchfork


12VDC

FreeToB's photo
Fri 05/01/09 07:14 AM



praise the Lord and pass the nipple clamps


Clover or clothespin? pitchfork


12VDC


TENS, Violet Wand...12VDC needs a boost. I have experience in these matters.

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