Could society survive without any such form of currency? What would such a world look like?

Depends on what replaced it. Is it a barter system? Is it electronic banking only, where money is represented by numbers in a system?

How about Gold, Silver, Platinum?

Why don't we bring back the barter system?


50 squirrel furs for 1 pair of Nikes

Interesting, do you think that would work in a society where a huge segment of the population would rather twitter or text message, rather than talk to their neighbors?

what happens when those resources used to barter run out?

No absolutely not. I think if the entire system of currency was thrown out, that the mints were worthless. I think an overwhelming majority of people out there would become criminals...like lazy pirates, looting and stealing...WAY before they would try to self sustain

how many people could actually come up with 50 squirrel furs?

or 10 bushels of wheat?

or even one bale of cotton?

I imagine the majority of the population would starve under a barter system

I understand that you're pretty new to this. But dollar is not a currency. It is not money unit. This is not because "I don't like it", but because the dollar does not satisfy the requirement for monetary unit to be a store of value. So, it cannot be money.

Dollar is a unit of check-kiting.

For instance, can your kisses be used as money? No, because you can do it as much as you want, therefore every time you create a new kiss, you are lowering the value of all previously created kisses.

Same with dollars. The us government has created an institution called Federal Reserve. It made FED a private bank, even though it is a fully governmental institution. This is done for a purpose of creating a misdirection. Any time us government wants to pay somebody, it is not limited whatsoever in printing as much money as it needs. Officially, however, it "borrows" dollars from a private bank, the FED.

So, that the impression that a gullible observer gets is that the government actually borrows the money. But, it is usually forgotten, that the FED simply borrows it back from the us government, or prints it.

This back and forth borrowing is an essence of a scam called check-kitting.

The total number of money borrowed officially, is recorded to a ledger and is called debt. This means nothing at all, and is solely there to misdirect an observer. It is not debt, it is simply a partial count of money printed. The us govt. can print 109 times as much tomorrow if it wanted to.


Because there is no limitation on how many dollars can be created, to try to value dollar is like to try to value sand particle on the beach. Who cares? There are unlimited number of those.


The true money is gold and silver. If the dollar goes away tomorrow,m then there is going to be gold money. There will never be a world without money, because the concept of money is an idea. Once understood, it can never be destroyed or removed, just like terrorism.

The only reason that gold isn't official money today, is because we have the strongest army in the world, actually dedicated to forcing everyone to use dollars.

What makes gold and silver so valuable? What makes gems/ copper/ gold / silver valuable is it demand. Once common salt was used as currency. Salt then, was more valuable than gold...now its cheaper than dirt. Money/precious gems & metals are only of value when the are needed, worked for, and earned.

You'd be surprized how valuable ice was once.

No, I won't be surprised. You have no idea what you're talking about.

But, if you want to discuss propaganda from a school book, then I'll pass.

Thats whats fun about a discussion. We all bounce our thoughts off each other. No one knows everything, esp. when it comes to "what ifs". But thanks for adding your opinion.

What parts of what TwilightsTwin said are propaganda?

I checked your profile. I may be wrong. Here is what I saw. You like nice things. If you could, you'd shop the high-end stores.

If you were to be able to survive without electricity, make your own shoes and clothes out of salvaged materials. Trade some sort of labor, not talking prostitution. Cleaning horse stalls, houses, weeding someones garden, etc., for seeds to plant your own. Give up your car. Are you were willing to walk wherever you needed to go? Unless you had a wood heater with a water coil, you'd be looking at cold showers. Soap is easy enough to make. Wash your clothes with a washboard. You'd think twice about changing outfits two or three times a day.
These are just a few things you'd have to give up if you wanted to do away with currency.
BTW, I know quite a few folks who live primitively. They don't have a steady wood supply to heat or cook with and go out every day to gather it and carry it home on their shoulders. The oldest couple I know that live that way are in their 70's.

Forget Nike, they don't barter and buying them supports abuse of human rights and Communist China.

wise insight past the present reality indeed it be...

to accept the present reality as the greatest reality, is to not see how oneself is a creator of all reality???

peace

a women that knows how to handle womehood and intelligence.

Confused Clarity
I sit in silent wonder, to put my thoughts to ink
For lost in my confusion, it always helps me think
A better understanding, is reason for my rhyme
And though I may learn nothing, it does help pass the time

I'm not the worlds richest man, the thought just makes me smile
I'm surely not the poorest, for I can share a smile
And if I had the riches, that so many others crave
Like them, it would be hard to smile, just another slave

Me, I'd always share my wealth, with any man in need
Instead of living off his pain, to wallow in my greed
I'd rather have a simple life, make other people smile
Seek to clean the air we breathe, not worry what's in style

And what is with our government, always preaching fear?
Always raising taxes, and their spending every year
Why must there always be a need, to start another war?
Why can't we take those billions, and start to feed the poor?

Build houses for the homeless, and educate a child
Instead of killing thousands, and say it makes us proud
Wave a flag, we can't salute, then take away the Lord
From state, and church, and home and school, My God! They must be bored!

And how are we supposed to live, with prices on the rise?
Fire all those bureucrats, hire someone wise!
Someone who knows morals, and nobility of cause
Not some jerk who thinks himself, disasters Santa Clause!

Lets do away with money, and pay our way with deeds
Then see how life progresses, and who has special needs
Let's do away with food stamps, put pride into our farms
Start growing food for people, instead of building arms!

It's sad to think our soldiers die, for rights we can't employ
Like liberty and happiness, pursuits we can't enjoy
Our leaders take us deeper, and deeper into debt
And tell us to feel safer, with the little that we get

As usual, I'm still confused, yet put my thoughts to pen
I tell myself "I am but one, where can I begin?"
And now that I have written, I'll end it with this note
I may be poor, and only one, BUT I STILL HAVE A VOTE!

Don't mean to be a downer here Katie but killing 50 innocent squirrels for sweat shop shoes?

what maybe valuable to some may not be of value to others

Very true, which is why collectives seem to make more sense.


You may have corn but need a new roof. The roofer needs a new coat and a plumber. The plumber needs corn.

By placing goods into a collective and having 'credits', you can access whatever you need...

...well ... in theory ...

I haven't really thought it through yet ...