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davidben1
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philosophies questions unto the universe taken but thru the minds literalality is but literal small minded realities to be seen???
to see the hearts wish behind the words, but unlock all the love in the universe??? as a child is born unto the world naked, so doth the present realm return unto naked???  peace |
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philosophies questions unto the universe taken but thru the minds literalality is but literal small minded realities to be seen??? to see the hearts wish behind the words, but unlock all the love in the universe??? as a child is born unto the world naked, so doth the present realm return unto naked??? peace That's so cool. The saying and your picture. 
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for as the world once gave up it's new life from the sea, so shall the earth again release a new reality???
peace 2 peace 2 peace willing 2 man of peace 2 freedom's plight and plea. |
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what maybe valuable to some may not be of value to others Very true, which is why collectives seem to make more sense. You may have corn but need a new roof. The roofer needs a new coat and a plumber. The plumber needs corn. By placing goods into a collective and having 'credits', you can access whatever you need... ...well ... in theory ... I haven't really thought it through yet ...  This is socialism, and in an economy without a monetary system and in that small a scale, it works. It has done so for many, many years in history in various tribes across the planet. In small scale, this works because everyone makes contact with everyone and there is that physicality that provides motive - you don't want to be the slacker. In our current situation, a monetary system, or in the sense that nogames decribed it, paper that acts as a false monetary system, is necessary because the guy with the shoes may not necessarily need a mechanic and the guy that needs a mechanic may have nothing of value presently for me. There has to be a medium of equal exchange. |
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what happens when those resources used to barter run out? Brilliant!!! This is the question that should be on everyone's mind. Our dollar has no true value. It is just a bartering tool. The law says we have to accept it for exchange of goods or services. This distracts us. The truth of the matter is, the products we have to barter aren't growing fast enough. This is what kills economies. GPD doesn't grow fast enough, money supply increases = high prices for everything and NO ONE no matter how rich or poor lives a better life. Funny how that works... I think a system like that (bartering) may actually get people to focus on creating something useful for society so they can trade. Great question Rose... 
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Why don't we bring back the barter system? 50 squirrel furs for 1 pair of Nikes  Interesting, do you think that would work in a society where a huge segment of the population would rather twitter or text message, rather than talk to their neighbors? No absolutely not. I think if the entire system of currency was thrown out, that the mints were worthless. I think an overwhelming majority of people out there would become criminals...like lazy pirates, looting and stealing...WAY before they would try to self sustain I checked your profile. I may be wrong. Here is what I saw. You like nice things. If you could, you'd shop the high-end stores. If you were to be able to survive without electricity, make your own shoes and clothes out of salvaged materials. Trade some sort of labor, not talking prostitution. Cleaning horse stalls, houses, weeding someones garden, etc., for seeds to plant your own. Give up your car. Are you were willing to walk wherever you needed to go? Unless you had a wood heater with a water coil, you'd be looking at cold showers. Soap is easy enough to make. Wash your clothes with a washboard. You'd think twice about changing outfits two or three times a day. These are just a few things you'd have to give up if you wanted to do away with currency. BTW, I know quite a few folks who live primitively. They don't have a steady wood supply to heat or cook with and go out every day to gather it and carry it home on their shoulders. The oldest couple I know that live that way are in their 70's. Forget Nike, they don't barter and buying them supports abuse of human rights and Communist China. Myself, I would like to image what life would be like 200 + years ago. But, with saying that and like to think the past would be a nice place to visit, but I wouldnt want to live there...as it goes. If I had been born 200 years ago I would have died at age 19, when I was to have my 1st open-heart surgery. I have friends who are Amish and I truely admire their lifestyle and dedication. They are comepletely self-sustaining and dependant on themselves and their community. Judging what you saw in my profile, you may believe I have nothing in common with the Amish. But the truth is, I love the outdoors and nature. I grew up on a small farm where we mostly planted alphafa or wheat, where my chores were cleaning the barns, shoveling horse manure, feeding the horses, chickens and picking their eggs,feeding the geese, rabbits, chasing cattle back into fences, and picking rocks out of the field...and I love it. I also love to make scarves, blankets, and hand-made rag rugs. My grandma grew up during the great depression and taught me many of my hobbies, and how to make really great dumplings :) I think I could trade rugs, or blankets, possibly my art if anyone found it "valuable"....my dumplings & chicken soup are PRICELESS!
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Why don't we bring back the barter system? 50 squirrel furs for 1 pair of Nikes Don't mean to be a downer here Katie but killing 50 innocent squirrels for sweat shop shoes?  No hard feelings, that was a poor example. A better one...What would you do for a klondike bar? or for myself...What would I do for an ice coffee? atleast a day's hard labor!!! I'm so addicted to ice coffees! (and yes I could live without them...please don't take my jokes so literally) 
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Why don't we bring back the barter system? 50 squirrel furs for 1 pair of Nikes Interesting, do you think that would work in a society where a huge segment of the population would rather twitter or text message, rather than talk to their neighbors? No absolutely not. I think if the entire system of currency was thrown out, that the mints were worthless. I think an overwhelming majority of people out there would become criminals...like lazy pirates, looting and stealing...WAY before they would try to self sustain I checked your profile. I may be wrong. Here is what I saw. You like nice things. If you could, you'd shop the high-end stores. If you were to be able to survive without electricity, make your own shoes and clothes out of salvaged materials. Trade some sort of labor, not talking prostitution. Cleaning horse stalls, houses, weeding someones garden, etc., for seeds to plant your own. Give up your car. Are you were willing to walk wherever you needed to go? Unless you had a wood heater with a water coil, you'd be looking at cold showers. Soap is easy enough to make. Wash your clothes with a washboard. You'd think twice about changing outfits two or three times a day. These are just a few things you'd have to give up if you wanted to do away with currency. BTW, I know quite a few folks who live primitively. They don't have a steady wood supply to heat or cook with and go out every day to gather it and carry it home on their shoulders. The oldest couple I know that live that way are in their 70's. Forget Nike, they don't barter and buying them supports abuse of human rights and Communist China. Myself, I would like to image what life would be like 200 + years ago. But, with saying that and like to think the past would be a nice place to visit, but I wouldnt want to live there...as it goes. If I had been born 200 years ago I would have died at age 19, when I was to have my 1st open-heart surgery. I have friends who are Amish and I truely admire their lifestyle and dedication. They are comepletely self-sustaining and dependant on themselves and their community. Judging what you saw in my profile, you may believe I have nothing in common with the Amish. But the truth is, I love the outdoors and nature. I grew up on a small farm where we mostly planted alphafa or wheat, where my chores were cleaning the barns, shoveling horse manure, feeding the horses, chickens and picking their eggs,feeding the geese, rabbits, chasing cattle back into fences, and picking rocks out of the field...and I love it. I also love to make scarves, blankets, and hand-made rag rugs. My grandma grew up during the great depression and taught me many of my hobbies, and how to make really great dumplings :) I think I could trade rugs, or blankets, possibly my art if anyone found it "valuable"....my dumplings & chicken soup are PRICELESS! You are a priceless gem, little Darlin'. I would have been very proud to have a daughter like you.
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