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Topic: Militias, Terrorists or Patriots?
willing2's photo
Tue 04/21/09 08:34 AM
Edited by willing2 on Tue 04/21/09 08:36 AM
Now, there is a difference between Militias and hate groups, skinheads, etc.

Militias were designed to help protect States rights and Sovereignty.

It would all depend on which side of the fence you're on and how much you understand exactly what the militias are all about.

Here is Wiki definition;

The role of militia, also known as military service and duty, in the United States is complex and has transformed over time.[1] The term militia can be used to describe any number of groups within the United States. Types of militia within modern US:

* The organized militia created by the Militia Act of 1903, which split from the 1792 Uniform Militia forces, and consist of State militia forces, notably the National Guard and the Naval Militia[2]. The National Guard however, is not to be confused with the National Guard of the United States, which is a federally recognized reserve military force, although the two are linked.
* The reserve militia[3] or unorganized militia, also created by the Militia Act of 1903 which presently consist of every able-bodied man of at least 17 and under 45 years of age who are not members of the National Guard or Naval Militia. (that is, anyone who would be eligible for the draft)[2]
* A select militia is composed of a small, non-representative portion of the population, often politicized.[4]
* Private militia forces, which are made up of non-officially organized individuals who have formed paramilitary organizations based on their own interpretation of the concept of the militia.

And here is our Gov. stance;
http://video1.washingtontimes.com/video/extremismreport.pdf
You will have to visit this one. It is from an official Gov. site. Listed unclassified but for official use only. Check and see if you fall under any of those classifications. You might be surprised.

AndyBgood's photo
Tue 04/21/09 08:50 AM
What you have presented us is EXACTLY the logic Hitler used to pull half the sh*t he did in 1939. What I have seen is a justification for government to act on ANYONE they deem to be threatening. I don't like the smell of this document!

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Tue 04/21/09 09:53 AM
It's a matter of agenda. Militias aren't "bad" things when they follow their purpose. It is the "radicals", much like in the "bounty hunter" issues that give them their bad name.

A "militia of the people" in purpose defends the right of a state and its sovereign community. Should any threat arise that deprives a states people of their freedom, they would be thankful to have one.

There are, have been, and always will be, reason to oversee these groups agendas, but by definition (and many feel nessessity these days), their presence is often comforting to a states population, and their ruling body. It is usually the government, not local law, who acts against their presence.

willing2's photo
Tue 04/21/09 10:59 AM
Got a feeling this one will get buried pretty quick.
Wonder where are all the defenders of the Regime?
Ya' reckon some of them found themselves on the list?

Delsoldamien's photo
Tue 04/21/09 11:05 AM
And remember, militias were started as a way to ensure that the people had a way to protect themselves against a corrupt government.

Nowdays radical people have corrupted some groups and those that are corrupt in government include them as all in one, so they can contain them and keep them from becoming a threat to those corrupt ones in public office..

The tea parties are now being branded as "Radical", "Dangerous" and demonized by those that run the corrupt government. We were scared of what Bush did while in office...you should be more scared of what is going on now!

willing2's photo
Tue 04/21/09 11:14 AM
Is it not time for all States to reinstate their State Militias and rally volunteers?

Fanta46's photo
Tue 04/21/09 11:15 AM
Militias vary, but one thing remains.
Militias in the US are not equipped to take on the US Military!

Delsoldamien's photo
Tue 04/21/09 11:17 AM
as was done in other countries where fascism and marxism have been thrust upon the people, if you keep people uneducated and unarmed, you can control them..

adj4u's photo
Tue 04/21/09 11:20 AM

Militias vary, but one thing remains.
Militias in the US are not equipped to take on the US Military!


that is true

thx to gun control laws

which are infringing the right to own arms (and carry them as well)

the real terrorist we need to worry about sit in dc with a D or an R by their name

willing2's photo
Tue 04/21/09 11:22 AM
Perhaps, if acting as individual States. That and we have no idea how many Military people would abandon the Union Military to join forces with their States.

Delsoldamien's photo
Tue 04/21/09 11:25 AM
I think there are some that are worried about that, that is why they are attacking veterans and anyone that doesn't toe the line for the current government leaders.

adj4u's photo
Tue 04/21/09 11:28 AM
there are 27 states with 10th amendment legislature in their stayte houses at this time


http://www.jbs.org/index.php/action/campaign-tools/4564

Fanta46's photo
Tue 04/21/09 11:29 AM

Perhaps, if acting as individual States. That and we have no idea how many Military people would abandon the Union Military to join forces with their States.



LOL!
Leadership, logistics, training, and discipline have nothing to do with it aye.

Fanta46's photo
Tue 04/21/09 11:30 AM

I think there are some that are worried about that, that is why they are attacking veterans and anyone that doesn't toe the line for the current government leaders.


Who attacked veterans?

willing2's photo
Tue 04/21/09 11:34 AM


I think there are some that are worried about that, that is why they are attacking veterans and anyone that doesn't toe the line for the current government leaders.


Who attacked veterans?

Read the link and you will see who is putting veterans on the suspect list.

Military Soldiers are required by their oath to defend the constitution.
If our Constitution is under attack, their obligation is to the American. Our Constitution is under attack.



"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God." (Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962).

"I, _____ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God." (DA Form 71, 1 August 1959, for officers.)

Fanta46's photo
Tue 04/21/09 11:35 AM

there are 27 states with 10th amendment legislature in their stayte houses at this time


http://www.jbs.org/index.php/action/campaign-tools/4564


There are many estimates as to how many statements reaffirming States sovereignty have been PROPOSED by Republicans since Obama became President.

And, those are proposals of declaration to sovereignty, not proposals to secede from the Union!

Fanta46's photo
Tue 04/21/09 11:37 AM



I think there are some that are worried about that, that is why they are attacking veterans and anyone that doesn't toe the line for the current government leaders.


Who attacked veterans?

Read the link and you will see who is putting veterans on the suspect list.

Military Soldiers are required by their oath to defend the constitution.
If our Constitution is under attack, their obligation is to the American. Our Constitution is under attack.



"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God." (Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962).

"I, _____ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God." (DA Form 71, 1 August 1959, for officers.)



One word!

Comprehension!

Fanta46's photo
Tue 04/21/09 11:39 AM
Edited by Fanta46 on Tue 04/21/09 11:40 AM
Six more words!

against all enemies, foreign or "domestic!"


Delsoldamien's photo
Tue 04/21/09 11:43 AM
Nobody in the current government likes to hear that part..."domestic"

willing2's photo
Tue 04/21/09 11:45 AM
Edited by willing2 on Tue 04/21/09 11:52 AM




I think there are some that are worried about that, that is why they are attacking veterans and anyone that doesn't toe the line for the current government leaders.


Who attacked veterans?

Read the link and you will see who is putting veterans on the suspect list.

Military Soldiers are required by their oath to defend the constitution.
If our Constitution is under attack, their obligation is to the American. Our Constitution is under attack.



"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God." (Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962).

"I, _____ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God." (DA Form 71, 1 August 1959, for officers.)



One word!

Comprehension!

A few words, LOL!!
A coalition of Governors who's States have Reaffirmed their Sovereignty decide it's time and present evidence Sovereignty was being infringed on, and the Constitution is in jeopardy,have every right to recall it's people in the Military to their assigned States.
It would be the obligation of all Officers and Non-Com to respond. Their first obligation is to protecting the Constitution.

I see no war going on that is in defense of our Constitution. If the need arise, all the wars would by Law, be abandoned in support of Defending said Constitution.

Recall troops home, to their States, we are the Military. Officers and all.

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