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Edited by
Fanta46
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Name the Governors, and just those who have sought to reaffirm their States sovereignty since Obama took office.
As a veteran and an American I say the Constitution is a working document and has not been attacked since Bush left office. In so saying, I affirm my belief that anyone who raises arms against The USA is a Domestic Enemy and I will as a Veteran and an American defend her against them! SGT. Fanta, US Army Infantry veteran! |
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there are 27 states with 10th amendment legislature in their stayte houses at this time http://www.jbs.org/index.php/action/campaign-tools/4564 There are many estimates as to how many statements reaffirming States sovereignty have been PROPOSED by Republicans since Obama became President. And, those are proposals of declaration to sovereignty, not proposals to secede from the Union! fanta quit trying to interpret my posts i said nothing about states wanting succession anywhere you on a regular basis read things into my posts frankly it is getting old and if it was about succession why would the 10th amendment be an issue fanta like i said stop insinuating i am saying things i am not saying (yer acting like we are running for the same office and you are twisting what i say to try and win) [i thought we were basically on the same side] {the side of the constitution now i am beginning to wonder} |
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Edited by
Fanta46
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Tue 04/21/09 12:13 PM
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there are 27 states with 10th amendment legislature in their stayte houses at this time http://www.jbs.org/index.php/action/campaign-tools/4564 There are many estimates as to how many statements reaffirming States sovereignty have been PROPOSED by Republicans since Obama became President. And, those are proposals of declaration to sovereignty, not proposals to secede from the Union! fanta quit trying to interpret my posts i said nothing about states wanting succession anywhere you on a regular basis read things into my posts frankly it is getting old and if it was about succession why would the 10th amendment be an issue fanta like i said stop insinuating i am saying things i am not saying (yer acting like we are running for the same office and you are twisting what i say to try and win) [i thought we were basically on the same side] {the side of the constitution now i am beginning to wonder}  You are deflecting my posts! Stop!!! I didnt disagree with your statement. |
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Name the Governors, and just those who have sought to reaffirm their States sovereignty since Obama took office. As a veteran and an American I say the Constitution is a working document and has not been attacked since Bush left office. In so saying, I affirm my belief that anyone who raises arms against The USA is a Domestic Enemy and I will as a Veteran and an American defend her against them! SGT. Fanta, US Army Infantry veteran! |
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Edited by
adj4u
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Tue 04/21/09 12:21 PM
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Name the Governors, and just those who have sought to reaffirm their States sovereignty since Obama took office. As a veteran and an American I say the Constitution is a working document and has not been attacked since Bush left office. In so saying, I affirm my belief that anyone who raises arms against The USA is a Domestic Enemy and I will as a Veteran and an American defend her against them! SGT. Fanta, US Army Infantry veteran! the passage of the second bailout is an attack on the constitution Article I - The Legislative Branch Section 9 - Limits on Congress No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time. and arguably Article III - The Judicial Branch Section 3 - Treason Note Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. |
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Edited by
adj4u
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Tue 04/21/09 12:27 PM
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when was the last time the state had these powers
Section 8 - Powers of Congress lines 15 and 16 To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions; To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, ********reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;********** |
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Edited by
Fanta46
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Tue 04/21/09 12:30 PM
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Name the Governors, and just those who have sought to reaffirm their States sovereignty since Obama took office. As a veteran and an American I say the Constitution is a working document and has not been attacked since Bush left office. In so saying, I affirm my belief that anyone who raises arms against The USA is a Domestic Enemy and I will as a Veteran and an American defend her against them! SGT. Fanta, US Army Infantry veteran! the passage of the second bailout is an attack on the constitution Article I - The Legislative Branch Section 9 - Limits on Congress No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time. Im sorry, but wasnt the TARP and the more recent stimulus package BILLS, qualifying them as laws, and therefore, No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; Has been upheld! No violation! Section 3 - Treason Note Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. If these extremist raise arms against the US or attempt to secede, which is against the law, then they are committing treason! Other than that, and until then, no one has assumed they are committing treason! |
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Name the Governors, and just those who have sought to reaffirm their States sovereignty since Obama took office. As a veteran and an American I say the Constitution is a working document and has not been attacked since Bush left office. In so saying, I affirm my belief that anyone who raises arms against The USA is a Domestic Enemy and I will as a Veteran and an American defend her against them! SGT. Fanta, US Army Infantry veteran! the passage of the second bailout is an attack on the constitution Article I - The Legislative Branch Section 9 - Limits on Congress No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time. Im sorry, but wasnt the TARP and the more recent stimulus package BILLS, qualifying them as laws, and therefore, No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; Has been upheld! No violation! Section 3 - Treason Note Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. If these extremist raise arms against the US or attempt to secede, which is against the law, then they are committing treason! Other than that, and until then, no one has assumed they are committing treason! """"""""""""Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time.""""""""""""" they are not saying where the money is going thus no it was not upheld ------------------------------ or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. this is why former presidents would not meet with terrorist leaders as it is comforting them to get an audience to wage their propaganda to sway te opinion of those they are meeting with like i said arguably |
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they are not saying where the money is going thus no it was not upheld
The Bush Administration didnt but Obama is. They are only required to submit reports as noted in the bills quarterly I believe! Without reading into your words. Would you care to define who is aiding and comforting our enemies? The meaning of these words is akin to aiding and abetting a person commit a crime. Not talking with them in negotiations! |
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Militias vary, but one thing remains. Militias in the US are not equipped to take on the US Military! I helped train half the military... 
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It would have to be pretty bad for me to step in. But i would have to say, that if push came to shove and I was truely convinced that our government posed a physical threat to my family, i would side with the constitution, not the government.
The likelyhood of that happening is almost nil. But if they declare martial law... Well, that's what us infantry men call METT (Mission, Equipment, Time, Terrain). I've got a list of old buddies that are war vets that would be right there with me. In fact, as stupid as it sounds, we have a basic plan to reunite, if times get bad. We made this plan when Bush was in office, partially due to his overriding the constitution (Patriot Act). But is was mostly in case we were invaded by a foreign enemy. We are all airborne infantry, and we all have combat experience. I side with the constitution when in doubt. This is my stance. This was my oath. This, to me, is worth dying for. |
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Edited by
Drivinmenutz
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Tue 04/21/09 01:11 PM
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Six more words! against all enemies, foreign or "domestic!"  This comes in priority even before following orders of the president himself. The constitution is greater in importance than anyone's order.
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Our enemy will not stand against us with weapons that kill, they attack us with every TARP, Bailout, every budget that enslaves our people for years to come..It was said that we could not be toppled from outside, but could be toppled from within..that my friend is happening more now then ever in the Bush administration.
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they are not saying where the money is going thus no it was not upheld The Bush Administration didnt but Obama is. They are only required to submit reports as noted in the bills quarterly I believe! Without reading into your words. Would you care to define who is aiding and comforting our enemies? The meaning of these words is akin to aiding and abetting a person commit a crime. Not talking with them in negotiations! it says aid and comfort if they know you will negotate with them then there are comfortable committing such acts (and maybe even encouraged to [as it may lead to an audience]) as to make them terrorists i am not saying they should or should not i am saying what the constitution says |
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It would have to be pretty bad for me to step in. But i would have to say, that if push came to shove and I was truely convinced that our government posed a physical threat to my family, i would side with the constitution, not the government. The likelyhood of that happening is almost nil. But if they declare martial law... Well, that's what us infantry men call METT (Mission, Equipment, Time, Terrain). I've got a list of old buddies that are war vets that would be right there with me. In fact, as stupid as it sounds, we have a basic plan to reunite, if times get bad. We made this plan when Bush was in office, partially due to his overriding the constitution (Patriot Act). But is was mostly in case we were invaded by a foreign enemy. We are all airborne infantry, and we all have combat experience. I side with the constitution when in doubt. This is my stance. This was my oath. This, to me, is worth dying for.
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Edited by
Drivinmenutz
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Tue 04/21/09 01:21 PM
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Our enemy will not stand against us with weapons that kill, they attack us with every TARP, Bailout, every budget that enslaves our people for years to come..It was said that we could not be toppled from outside, but could be toppled from within..that my friend is happening more now then ever in the Bush administration. And this is why there is no call for violence. Unfortunately all we can do is expose these bailouts for what they really are. Tax money from the poor/middle/and even upper class, given directly to a very few wealthy men. Until people realize this, we will be used. |
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Everyone that pays for a product will pay for the bailouts, tax cuts don't affect the poor, they don't pay them.
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Edited by
Drivinmenutz
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Tue 04/21/09 01:31 PM
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Everyone that pays for a product will pay for the bailouts, tax cuts don't affect the poor, they don't pay them. Actually everyone is paying for the bailouts anyway. Poor, and rich alike. Do you have any idea how much money was printed for this? When GDP doesn't increase, and the amount of money in circulation does, it is a universal tax. There is no way around this. It's not good for anyone, except those who are in debt over their heads. This is the only advantage anyone would have. Providing you salaries increase with inflation (which doesn't usually happen), your loans will be easier to pay off. It gets complicated. There was a time when our dollar was being devalued by 4% a day. That means if you had $1,000, it would be worth $960 the next day,a little over $920 the day after that... |
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ok, as far as federal income tax..I was talking about.
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