I think the whole point of presidential speeches is to create misunderstandings

They should be hooked to leads that go to a billboard behind them. When they are making a speech and lie, the board behind them lights up with a great big BULL SHlT. That's the only real way to know if they are lying. Well that and when their lips are moving.

All Obama was doing was trying to dispel the myth that says "earmarks" equal "pork"

If you look up the definition of earmarks it will tell you the when money is assigned to a certain thing it is considered an earmark of money.

Money earmarked to run the government is an earmark, money assigned to the defense of this country is an earmark,

Any money designated for anything in our government is earmarked money. All money moved in our government is moved by earmarking it.

And others with more down low agendas including the racists.

This bail out stuff started under Bush and he failed at it miserably with handing out money with no stipulations to what be done with it.

Obama is being told by the financial experts that he must spend to stimulate the economy. He is not doing it to be a spend hog. That is the difference and that is what makes his spending more justifiable.

Bush didn't write the bailout. The house repubs voted it down the first time remember? But, the increased the legislation from 4 pages to 800 adding a bunch of pork and loopholes than it passed "somehow". Bush just signed off on it.

Funny thing is the same thing happened with the stimulus.

It's a trend that keeps poping up...

Yes and I did say that about earmarks. No it is not true that all money is moved by earmarks. There are times I wish it was, way to much is handed out to governors and senators and the like with them having absolutely no restrictions on how to spend it.

The real issue, as you pointed out, is pork barrel spending of which there is TONS in this new "recovery package". So lies are lies, paint em any color you like.

This political reporter for Rolling Stone magazine, who posted the questions, is as dumb as wine bottle cork.

According to his logic, once we missed the very first chance of doing something, we have no right of ever do that.

Say, you're driving the car, and you see a red light. If you haven't pressed your brake pedal the very first millisecond you saw the red, then this dude (Madisonman never posted his name), says you can't do that any time after that.

Did I say he is as stupid as a wine bottle cork?

Here are his questions:




Ha ha ha, dude, get this: We are the people. O.K.? We do what we want, when we want, and for the whatever reason that we want. Got it?

And this Obama dude, he begged us to let him sit in the office chair of Bush. So, now he will do what we want him to do, whether he likes it or not. He may not like the fact that we didn't do anything when Bush was in office, but hey, life isn't fair. Just get used to it, buddy.

That is those vague earmarks of money assigned for the discretion of the governor or senator. Those need to be monitored correctly.

People should be fair, of course that will never happen, but complain about the same thing no matter who does it so you don't appear to have another agenda.

i appreciate everyone's answer to the earmark question I asked. I guess my hang up in this is....when you say no earmarks...I expect no earmarks...whether they are good earmarks or pork

People can't be fair every time.

What if, blacks are 30% more likely to commit a crime? Then people would complain that the majority of prisoners are black and that's not fair.

It's impossible to monitor. Most of the time, things are just a coincidence.

People were tired of Bush. Now they see a different Bush, with more aggressive spending habits. Yes they are aggrivated, and rightfully so. They should have done this sooner, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't do it now if they are slow learners...

Agreed on that, though it's pretty evident that won't happen either. However what we are talking about is all the PORK in the new recovery package, which constitutes the lies I mentioned.

i feel that the protests were on the verge under bush and the bailout he allowed

and then when obama signed another one right on the heels of the first one

were lucky that it is only protests imo

after all there was still 350 million of the first bailout left 1/2 of it ---- when they passed the second one

at least thats how i remember it

plz correct me if i am wrong

Congress, such a dirty word

Isn't that the ones that live in a bowl, can't smell the coffee, like to have sex with young boys and hookers

They turn a page now and then.

At least with Bush the people got personal stimulus checks in the form of $600 to $1200 once in his first term and once in his second.I also don't like the image Obama is giving America.He is wondering around the world like a dog with it's tail between its legs wasting time with idiots like Chavez and acting like we all need to bow down and kiss his butt.Obama is about as un-American as you can get.I wish we had a president like Patton!!!!!!!

Bring back the old USA!


"Now I want you to remember that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. You won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country. Men, all this stuff you've heard about America not wanting to fight, wanting to stay out of the war, is a lot of horse dung. Americans traditionally love to fight. ALL REAL Americans, love the sting of battle. When you were kids, you all admired the champion marble shooter, the fastest runner, the big league ball players, the toughest boxers . . . Americans love a winner and will not tolerate a loser. Americans play to win all the time. I wouldn't give a hoot in Hell for a man who lost and laughed. That's why Americans have never lost and will never lose a war. Because the very thought of losing is hateful to Americans. Now, an army is a team. It lives, eats, sleeps, fights as a team. This individuality stuff is a bunch of crap. The bilious bastards who wrote that stuff about individuality for the Saturday Evening Post, don't know anything more about real battle than they do about fornicating. Now we have the finest food and equipment, the best spirit, and the best men in the world. You know . . . My God, I actually pity those poor bastards we're going up against. My God, I do. We're not just going to shoot the bastards, we're going to cut out their living guts and use them to grease the treads of our tanks. We're going to murder those lousy Hun bastards by the bushel. Now some of you boys, I know, are wondering whether or not you'll chicken out under fire. Don't worry about it. I can assure you that you'll all do your duty. The Nazis are the enemy. Wade into them. Spill their blood, shoot them in the belly. When you put your hand into a bunch of goo, that a moment before was your best friends face, you'll know what to do. Now there's another thing I want you to remember. I don't want to get any messages saying that we are holding our position. We're not holding anything, we'll let the Hun do that. We are advancing constantly, and we're not interested in holding onto anything except the enemy. We're going to hold onto him by the nose, and we're going to kick him in the ass. We're going to kick the hell out of him all the time, and we're going to go through him like crap through a goose. Now, there's one thing that you men will be able to say when you get back home, and you may thank God for it. Thirty years from now when you're sitting around your fireside with your grandson on your knee, and he asks you, "What did you do in the great World War Two?" You won't have to say, "Well, I shoveled **** in Louisiana." Alright now, you sons of *****es, you know how I feel. Oh! . . . I will be proud to lead you wonderful guys into battle anytime, anywhere. That's all."

sorry but the term teabaggers makes me laugh knowing what teabagging is

The facts are (as usual in these types of 'articles') that you cannot make the argument of "where were you before" because there is always the flipside of the coin, "where are you now?"

Republicans were not nearly as outraged at Bush's admin as they should have been. The Dems were. Now, we have the same scenario in the White House (with the opposite party in power), and the sides have changed.

That's the only change there has been. We still have irresponsibility, we still are watching our liberties disintegrate before our eyes, and in the end, still nothing has been done to fix the problem, only the symptoms (and it's another argument altogether whether that has even done anything).


It's disheartening to look at what politics has become. It has become more unity amongst your own party and being angry at the other side for everything the do instead of really doing what needs to be done.

So long as we justify our actions by what those before us have done, we shall remain the this prison for eternity.