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Topic: Few people know this.... more need to!
Sojourning_Soul's photo
Fri 04/10/09 10:16 AM
LET US SHOW OUR LEADERS IN WASHINGTON "PEOPLE POWER" AND THE POWER OF THE INTERNET. LET ME KNOW IF YOU ARE WITH ME ON THIS BY FORWARDING TO EVERYONE IN YOUR ADDRESS BOOK.

IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU ARE REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT!

KEEP IT GOING!!!!


Propose this in 2009:

START A BILL TO PLACE ALL POLITICIANS ON SOCIAL SECURITY


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SOCIAL SECURITY:

(This is worth reading. It is short and to the point.)

Perhaps we are asking the wrong questions during election years.

Our Senators and Congresswo men do not pay into Social Security and, of course, they do not collect from it.

You see, Social Security benefits were not suitable for persons of their rare elevation in society. They felt they should have a special plan for themselves. So, many years ago they voted in their own benefit plan.

In more recent years, no congressperson has felt the need to change it. After all, it is a great plan.

For all practical purposes their plan works like this:

When they retire, they continue to draw the same pay until they die.
Except it may increase from time to time for cost o f living adjustments..

For example, Senator Byrd and Congressman White and their wives may expect to draw $7, 800,000.00 (that's Seven Million, Eight-Hundred Thousand Dollars), with their wives drawing $275, 000.00 during the last years of their lives.

This is calculated on an average life span for each of those two Dignitaries.

Younger Dignitaries who retire at an early age, will receive much more during the rest of their lives.

Their cost for this excellent plan is $0.00. NADA...! ZILCH...

This little perk they voted for themselves is free to them. You and I pick up the tab for this plan. The funds for this fine retirement plan come directly from the General Funds;

"OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK "!

From our own Social Security Plan, which you and I pay (or have paid) into, every payday until we retire (which amount is matched by our employer). We can expect to get an average of

$1,000 per month

After retirement.

Or, in other words, we would have to collect our average of $1,000 monthly benefits for 68 years and one (1) month to equal Senator Bill Bradley's benefits!

Social Security could be very good if only one small change were made.

That change would be to:

Jerk the Golden Fleece Retirement Plan from under the Senators and Congressmen.. Put them into the Social Security plan with the rest of us.......

Then sit back...... and see how fast they would fix it.

If enough people receive this, maybe a seed of awareness will be planted and maybe good changes will evolve.


no photo
Fri 04/10/09 10:27 AM
I always thought this was the reason so many want to be politicians in the first place, pretty neat benefits. No wonder we all have to kill ourselves to support them.

It seems to me once your out of Washington you shouldn't be getting anything from the taxpayer. We don't get that from companies anymore, so why should they get retirement benefits?

I am not all that knowledgeable on this stuff so feel free to correct me.

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Fri 04/10/09 10:43 AM
It's hard to trust anyone in a suit that says they're looking out for your best interests.

Give me a representitive with calosed hands, a few worry lines, who worries how to support a family or grandchild going to college and how they are going to enjoy their "golden years" if they do so, then I will show you someone who just might work for us!

Delsoldamien's photo
Fri 04/10/09 11:01 AM
I too am not an expert on the subject, but didn't the founding fathers of this country limit the time served, and made it a volunteer position in the beginning??

It is hypocracy to see them chastise private business leaders about their benifits and yet heap the benifits on themselves such as pay after they are out of office, Airforce jets to carry them around and other bennies that the common folk don't get.

MirrorMirror's photo
Fri 04/10/09 11:04 AM

It's hard to trust anyone in a suit that says they're looking out for your best interests.

Give me a representitive with calosed hands, a few worry lines, who worries how to support a family or grandchild going to college and how they are going to enjoy their "golden years" if they do so, then I will show you someone who just might work for us!



:smile: No, I want someone who is educated and intelligent.:smile: Folksiness just doesnt cut the mustard. :smile: I know a lot of people that fit that description that are complete morons.:smile:

Delsoldamien's photo
Fri 04/10/09 11:12 AM
You are right about that Mirror, but unfortunately there are very few people that serve our country with our best interests in mind..on both sides of the isle..

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Fri 04/10/09 11:24 AM
Nobody would appoint a moron (ok, I lied.... we got 2 Bush's and a Clinton).

I'm just saying we need someone who isn't a millionaire to represent us. I want a "scrapper", with morals and an idea of what is actually good for ALL "we the people". Someone who has had dirt under their fingernails... and not from burying evidence!

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Fri 04/10/09 11:34 AM
They want a "New World Order"? I have one for them.....

We take all the world leaders who want war, put them in bright tights, call in the news media (for the coverage they so enjoy) and put them in a "NO HOLDS BARRED, Over The Top" cage match! :banana: rofl surprised laugh

MirrorMirror's photo
Fri 04/10/09 11:40 AM
Edited by MirrorMirror on Fri 04/10/09 11:41 AM
happy I understand your sentiment but as I said before,folksiness just doesnt cut the mustard.:smile: It sounds good to say, but it just doesnt work.:smile: There are a lot of people that have "morals"(Who doesnt?) and have "dirt under their nails" that arn't fit to run a lemon-aid stand.:smile:

Delsoldamien's photo
Fri 04/10/09 12:11 PM
In your perfect world Soj, it would be wonderful if everyone got along, there was no crime or pain or suffering, poverty and many other things..but when you wake up from your dream, reality is something very different then your vision...I wish it weren't so, but it is...and always will be..

boredinaz06's photo
Fri 04/10/09 12:11 PM

Nobody would appoint a moron (ok, I lied.... we got 2 Bush's and a Clinton).

I'm just saying we need someone who isn't a millionaire to represent us. I want a "scrapper", with morals and an idea of what is actually good for ALL "we the people". Someone who has had dirt under their fingernails... and not from burying evidence!


I Understand What Your Saying, We Need to Get the Politician out of Politicsdrinker

Winx's photo
Fri 04/10/09 12:12 PM
Thanks, SojourningSoul.

no photo
Fri 04/10/09 12:29 PM

Nobody would appoint a moron (ok, I lied.... we got 2 Bush's and a Clinton).

I'm just saying we need someone who isn't a millionaire to represent us. I want a "scrapper", with morals and an idea of what is actually good for ALL "we the people". Someone who has had dirt under their fingernails... and not from burying evidence!


With all due respect I would never have classified Clinton as a moron. Ya he had issues with this sex, but last I heard mens brains really are not located between their legs as some might suggest. :tongue:

no photo
Fri 04/10/09 12:31 PM

They want a "New World Order"? I have one for them.....

We take all the world leaders who want war, put them in bright tights, call in the news media (for the coverage they so enjoy) and put them in a "NO HOLDS BARRED, Over The Top" cage match! :banana: rofl surprised laugh



Wow now I'm all for that, would be the first sport I would ever actually pay to see. Grin

warmachine's photo
Fri 04/10/09 12:34 PM

Nobody would appoint a moron (ok, I lied.... we got 2 Bush's and a Clinton).

I'm just saying we need someone who isn't a millionaire to represent us. I want a "scrapper", with morals and an idea of what is actually good for ALL "we the people". Someone who has had dirt under their fingernails... and not from burying evidence!


I understand where you're coming from. I would interject that it isn't money thats the problem, but how that money was gained. Is it old world money Like John Forbes Kerry... Is it Nazi money, like the Bush dynasty? Is it money made from marrying some sugar momma or sugar daddy? Or is it money made from earning a degree, going into the military, coming out and using that degree and that life experience to build a real business.

The guy who is self made, who did it with moral fiber, strong business ethic and did it without selling those things out. Thats the guy we'll never see in office, because that guy, he makes his own decisions and isn't owned by anyone.

Delsoldamien's photo
Fri 04/10/09 12:47 PM
Well warm, you have just about eliminated just about everyone from filling the office..

warmachine's photo
Sat 04/11/09 08:15 AM

Well warm, you have just about eliminated just about everyone from filling the office..



I didn't eliminate anyone, I simply said that money isn't the problem, but how people got to that money, how did they get to where they are.

I certainly didn't eliminate this guy:money made from earning a degree, going into the military, coming out and using that degree and that life experience to build a real business... His name is Dr. Ron Paul.




warmachine's photo
Sat 04/11/09 08:16 AM
Oh, by the way, just a thought, after we've all had to hear about what Madoff has done, I wonder, whats much different from his deeds and Social Security?

Taking money from one, telling them it's well invested, then using money from the next guy to pay the first... isn't that a fraking ponzi scheme?

nogames39's photo
Sun 04/12/09 10:08 AM
So, what do you guys want to be done with social security?

What magic do you want it to perform?

How is it going to ever work, if you allow the government ( a collection of dumbest bureaucrats [just see Obama thanking himself]) to take the money from you and to "invest" it for you?

I mean, take all your (I_hope_SS_does_this) wishes, and apply them to the idea of social security, and you will still get nothing. How do you plan for the magic to happen?

I just find it funny, when people refuse to save, and instead send their money to the government, only to turn around and start wondering how is it that there is no result. Why would there be?

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Mon 04/13/09 05:31 AM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Mon 04/13/09 05:33 AM
Read the Patriot Act, then read the Constitution. Now, read the oaths of office our leaders take when they are "appointed" (?) positions...... Who is the conspirator and what does it take for evidence of corruption and "out of control" government?

Social Security is but an ant in the colony. Nothing will be "fixed" until WE THE PEOPLE, ALL the people, can actually feel we are part of the decision making process again and nobody questions it.

What we have lost, we can never get back, unless we turn off the propoganda machines (mainstream media), unite in a common cause with a united voice, and ask the hard questions that "conspiracy theorists" (patriots) are troubled by.

There is no right or wrong in asking questions. It is the inability, the unwillingness, and the refusal that spawns the unanswered questions or conspiracy theories.

I was always taught, "There are no bad questions, but there are bad answers, so never stop questioning until you find your answer." Isn't that the path of knowledge?

Seems to me that whoever casts a lable of "conspiarcy theorist" on someone asking questions, seeking answers, has something to hide, or no desire, or a fear, to know the truth. To know the truth may cause you to have to take an action that requires some effort on your part. Heaven forbid you have to get your couch potato ass up and do something! You might miss the big game and the corporate halftime commercials!

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