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A new ad, will be running on television. Especially hard hit will be California as it will run up to 8 times a day, as that state’s Supreme Court deliberates the outcome of the legality of proposition 8.
The ad is a series of people, each speaking a sentence, with dark storm clouds moving through as the backdrop. There is a storm gathering. It’s dark and I’m afraid. Some who advocate same sex marriage have taken the issue far beyond same sex couples. They want to bring the issue into my life. My freedom will be taken away. I’m a California Doctor who must choose between my faith and my job. I’m part of a New Jersey church, punished by the government because we can’t support same sex marriage. I’m a Massachussets parent helplessly watching public schools teach my son, gay marriage is ok. But some who advocate for same sex marriage have not been content with same sex couples living as they wish. Those advocates want to change the way I live. I will have no choice. The storm is coming, but we have hope—a rainbow coalitionof people of every creed and color are coming together in love to protect marriage. Ok – digest that and then below (in my next post) is what I don’t understand – ANYONE who does, please fill me in. |
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>>> There is a storm gathering.
It’s dark and I’m afraid. <<< What’s the storm and what is there to fear ? >>> Some who advocate same sex marriage have taken the issue far beyond same sex couples. They want to bring the issue into my life. <<< Same sex marriage is about two people wanting to being recognized as a couple, entitled to the same legal representation and responsibilities like that of other married couples. Since when is it “going too far” to ask for the same rights that others are entitled to? AND – why do these people think this issue is being brought into their life? In what personal way would it affect these “individuals” if someone’s legal spouse is granted inheritance rights, or medical rights, or any of the 1,000 other laws that heterosexuals currently have? >>> My freedom will be taken away. <<< It seems to me, that freedoms are not being taken away, but being requested in equal measure. Anyone, know what freedom will suffer (other than the right to feel superior in one’s own prejudice, or the right to discriminate ‘legally’? >>> I’m a California Doctor who must choose between my faith and my job.<<< I’m at a loss for this one as well. Is this doctor a sex therapist, and fears same sex clients? What? >>> I’m part of a New Jersey church, punished by the government because we can’t support same sex marriage. <<< In what way would any church be punished if same sex marriage is legalized? Churches are protected under the law and can not be forced into performing a religious ritual against their belief. So how would churches be punished? >>> I’m a Massachussets parent helplessly watching public schools teach my son, gay marriage is ok. <<< Ok-how would this fit into any public school curriculum? Like in between math and English? Of course if gay marriage is legalized and child asks why at school –wouldn’t the appropriate answer be “so that all people are granted equality under the law” ? >>> But some who advocate for same sex marriage have not been content with same sex couples living as they wish. <<< Is like saying – but some slaves are not content to be free, they want equal pay with whites” ? WTF???? Please someone explain! >>> Those advocates want to change the way I live. <<< Freeing the slaves certainly had that effect on plantation owners – but how does granting homosexuals the right to marry, change the life of a heterosexual? >>> I will have no choice.<<< What’s that one about – do I a choice in who that person marries? Do I get a say in what religion they get practice? Does my choice have any decision making power in what laws they can be entitled to? But this person wants the choice to deny another the same rights she has????? Anyone have a logical answer to what that statement means? >>> The storm is coming, but we have hope—a rainbow coalitionof people of every creed and color are coming together in love to protect marriage.<<< Marriage does not need protection, people need protection and laws are how we provide ‘equal’ protection to all. Honestly – I would like nothing better than to see the LEGAL institution of marriage – and all the laws bound to it – abolished. Revamp all of the IRS, forget all the tax benefits that cover marriage and dependents and so on. Let EVERY couple who chooses to be recognized as the legal spouse of another, PAY a lawyer for their own dam rights. Imagine every Federal employee who has children with a non-citizen while stationed over-seas know how difficult it is to get those loved ones into the U.S. Imagine the red tape mess it would cause the military, if there was no ‘legal’ marriage from which to determine what people, related to the service member, are entitled to any kind of benefits. Come on people, what is really being ‘protected’ here? |
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Couldn't of said it better myself! YOur totally right and I hope this ad is pulled mid sentance.. OMG people just irritate me sooo friggin much.. Like I imagine in the 50's or 60's for blacks and whites to marry.. People got over it. People need to do the same with same sex marriage.. If my neighbor wants to marry another man.. So be it! If my other neighbor gets a divorce from his wife and marry's another woman.. Who the hell am I or anyone else for that matter to say that's wrong or not ok or w/e.. OMG! Ok I'm stopping lol. My point was.. This ad is TOTAL BS! And if it gets run.. I will bet a dollar to a doughnut that there will be hell to pay!
>>> There is a storm gathering. It’s dark and I’m afraid. <<< What’s the storm and what is there to fear ? >>> Some who advocate same sex marriage have taken the issue far beyond same sex couples. They want to bring the issue into my life. <<< Same sex marriage is about two people wanting to being recognized as a couple, entitled to the same legal representation and responsibilities like that of other married couples. Since when is it “going too far” to ask for the same rights that others are entitled to? AND – why do these people think this issue is being brought into their life? In what personal way would it affect these “individuals” if someone’s legal spouse is granted inheritance rights, or medical rights, or any of the 1,000 other laws that heterosexuals currently have? >>> My freedom will be taken away. <<< It seems to me, that freedoms are not being taken away, but being requested in equal measure. Anyone, know what freedom will suffer (other than the right to feel superior in one’s own prejudice, or the right to discriminate ‘legally’? >>> I’m a California Doctor who must choose between my faith and my job.<<< I’m at a loss for this one as well. Is this doctor a sex therapist, and fears same sex clients? What? >>> I’m part of a New Jersey church, punished by the government because we can’t support same sex marriage. <<< In what way would any church be punished if same sex marriage is legalized? Churches are protected under the law and can not be forced into performing a religious ritual against their belief. So how would churches be punished? >>> I’m a Massachussets parent helplessly watching public schools teach my son, gay marriage is ok. <<< Ok-how would this fit into any public school curriculum? Like in between math and English? Of course if gay marriage is legalized and child asks why at school –wouldn’t the appropriate answer be “so that all people are granted equality under the law” ? >>> But some who advocate for same sex marriage have not been content with same sex couples living as they wish. <<< Is like saying – but some slaves are not content to be free, they want equal pay with whites” ? WTF???? Please someone explain! >>> Those advocates want to change the way I live. <<< Freeing the slaves certainly had that effect on plantation owners – but how does granting homosexuals the right to marry, change the life of a heterosexual? >>> I will have no choice.<<< What’s that one about – do I a choice in who that person marries? Do I get a say in what religion they get practice? Does my choice have any decision making power in what laws they can be entitled to? But this person wants the choice to deny another the same rights she has????? Anyone have a logical answer to what that statement means? >>> The storm is coming, but we have hope—a rainbow coalitionof people of every creed and color are coming together in love to protect marriage.<<< Marriage does not need protection, people need protection and laws are how we provide ‘equal’ protection to all. Honestly – I would like nothing better than to see the LEGAL institution of marriage – and all the laws bound to it – abolished. Revamp all of the IRS, forget all the tax benefits that cover marriage and dependents and so on. Let EVERY couple who chooses to be recognized as the legal spouse of another, PAY a lawyer for their own dam rights. Imagine every Federal employee who has children with a non-citizen while stationed over-seas know how difficult it is to get those loved ones into the U.S. Imagine the red tape mess it would cause the military, if there was no ‘legal’ marriage from which to determine what people, related to the service member, are entitled to any kind of benefits. Come on people, what is really being ‘protected’ here? |
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Some people, Di...
A couple of days ago, I argued for a few hours here about the fact that being legally married gives those participants the right to the benefits which you referred to. The other side, as most who are opposed, had religious reasons and also claimed that his rights were being affected... somehow... The most common argument is the definition of marriage, as held by Christianity and used by the system as the guideline to wed couples. That alone clearly demonstrates the rewards given to marriage are biased for religious reasons. We, the people, are supposed to be free from that kind of oppression. The Church of England lives in these United States, it has just been disguised better. Your points are valid. There are no rights being taken from anyone else but the gays. Right wing religious people who use religion in order to substantiate their own brand of morality by picking and choosing through the Bible what fits the case at hand, whatever it may be. |
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These ads are meant to appeal to fear. People should be insulted by them, because they are manipulative and created to stir up votes. They are hoping that people really are swayed by their religious beliefs and will obey the request to join them.
They need lots of people to speak out against gays, so they assume there are more religious people than not. I would wager they are in hopes of getting any religion that is against gays. I wouldn't be surprised if they had extra subliminal messages in the sound of the thunder. Many if not Most will not question the ad, they will simply do what the ad suggests. It's not about churches or doctors, but they need to make this sound as dire as possible. Only people that know gays will find it offensive. I hope it was at least better than the words they used. |
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Sadly the truth doesn't mater in the least.
Churches in CA would not be required to marry gays. "bring the issue into my life" haha That's funny...if gay marriage is illegal I guess people will shape up and quit being gay? Then those people who object to gay marriage won't ever have to see a gay person? Yeah yeah that must be it. Gosh..umm what freedom will be taken away? The ad makes me want to puke... I don't know what's more objectionable about it? The lies, the exploitation of ignorance and fear, the bigotry or this line, "a rainbow coalition of people of every creed and color are coming together in love to protect marriage." |
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Well, a jihadist may find himself choosing between his faith and his profession (say disarming explosives), and... who's supposed to give a sh!t about that?
May-be those who find their faith in conflict with their profession, need to question their own choices, not the freedoms? |
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Edited by
adj4u
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Thu 04/09/09 12:19 AM
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the rebuttal commercial same backdrop
there is a storm and it is here the storm is the fact that the govt wants to tell you how to live your life (as the constitution is getting destroyed from the rain) there are those that would want there religion to mandate how you live your life as ""they shall pass no law establishing religion"" dissolves away why should thry not be able to decide how their loved ones handle their loved ones after death or during life while there is groups of people at a dinner party mingling together men talking with women women talking with women men talking with men (as the storm rages in the big picture window) just as the storm gets really bad a knock on the door two (apparent)couples soaked to the bone are at the door as they are let in to the party they are greated by their mates which happen to be same sex and a sigh of relief that they made it through the storm into the party as this happens the sun comes out and everyone at the party rejoices together as the storm ends at the bottom of the screen is posted prop 8 lets calm the storm of hate and preserve the constitution for us all ------------------------ just a thought off the top of my head but hey what do i know |
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Edited by
scttrbrain
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Thu 04/09/09 10:35 AM
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Sounds like a bunch of Mormoms and Baptist at it again. With their fear they bring about more fear.
They are on the verge of losing all that they preach, and want us all to see as they do. We all know that fear commercials get more attention than any other kind. I say we "those that want this to stop" send mails and make calls. These commercials must be stopped. I guess people will want their kids to learn untruths about gay love from their biased sick views rather than truths. This is just more white propaganda. ADJ4U; I go with that one. Wonderful. Kat |
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These commercials must be stopped. Kat Excuse me? Only your freedom of speech counts? |
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Army_Strong – Yes, I felt the same kind of frustration when I saw the ad. I guess I can understand the time, money, and effort people will put into attaining equality, more than I can understand spending millions to prevent it. Preserving a way of life, that includes individual freedom and equality, for oneself, means having to extend the same way of life to others.
Thanks Creative, I would tend to agree with you. It’s unfortunate that so many believe the only way to preserve freedom is by limiting it for others. If I felt there was any threat, to individuals in this country, which would deny people of their personal beliefs I would be as pro-active to prevent it as I am to uphold equality for all. Boo – Of course you’re right, fear is a great motivator. But those who would believe what this ad tells them might need to be reminded that the events of 9/11 were supposedly motivated by the exact same fear. Destroy those who don’t believe as I do, stop the spread of the evil forces that allow the freedom of choice, when that choice is different than our own. Lynann – Personally I thing the worst thing about the ad is the exploitation of the ignorant through the use of fear—propaganda, no less than that of Hitler Germany. Not only the ignorant can be manipulated in this way, but those who seek acceptance in a particular group will follow, against their better judgment, to escape being ostracized. None of those people are necessarily bad, I would assign that label to those who organize this type of ad, and not so much to those who fall victim to it. NoGames – I have to agree with you. How one chooses to behave, also consists of how one chooses to make a living. If your choice of jobs conflicts with your choice of personal philosophies, then you can choose to change one or the other—or you can choose to change your attitude. But in this country they are all still and will remain a choice, even in the face of equality. Adj4u – I LIKE IT – if I had the funds to back it, I’d promote it—well that would be my first “impulse”. After consideration, however, if I had that kind of money I could find any number of needs it might fulfill in this world. I guess we can only hope that enough people will see through the propaganda and the outright lies this ad portrays, attributing shame on those who promoted it in the first place. Thanks everyone for responding. |
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Religion is the single greatest impediment to the recognition of the inherent citizenship of America's gay and lesbian citizens. The argument of dueling bible verses between our supporters and detractors should be between them alone. Both sides need to get out of our lives and let the civil legislative and judicial process take its own course as it has done in Iowa and Vermont. The travesty of the recent California election with the passage of Prop-Hate should never happen again anywhere else. This has been a good week for Americans who value equality and social stability. More gay couples have been incorporated into the fabric of society and endowed with both the blessings and the expectations of their neighbors. Here is how same-sex couples fare (after the relevant commencement dates of Iowa, Vermont, and D.C.): 4.5% of Americans live in a state that recognizes marriages (Massachusetts, Connecticut, Iowa, and Vermont) 16.6% of Americans live in a state that offers all of the benefits and obligations of marriage by a different name (California, New Jersey, Oregon, and New Hampshire) 5.1% 4.9% of Americans live in a state (or District) that offers recognition to same-sex couples, but not with all of the same benefits and obligations as marriage (Hawaii, Maine, Washington, District of Columbia, and Maryland) 7.4% 7.6% of Americans live in a state (or District) that either recognizes out-of-state legal marriages or in which that status has not been fully determined (Rhode Island, New York, and New Mexico, and the District of Columbia) 66.4% of Americans live in a state that does not recognize their relationship at all Redy....hello? Miss you girl. Kat |
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These commercials must be stopped. Kat Excuse me? Only your freedom of speech counts? Are you saying that they should continue even though they promote lies? |
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These commercials must be stopped. Kat Excuse me? Only your freedom of speech counts? Are you saying that they should continue even though they promote lies? I think he is saying that it's free speech, if we want to have a voice they must also. However I am not sure what free speech has to do with allowing lies and half truths in any ads. They should expect those who make the ads to prove the content. We are used to being lied to, seems anyone from politicians to whomever can lie their butts off and it's free speech. I don't know the answer. If people are that easiely lead by an ad that is what we should fear more. But the larger issue to me is that you already have a guarenteed mass of people that accepted the bible hook line and sinker, so they are depending on that mass for their key to sucess in bring this down. And it may just work. |
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don't most commercials have lies and half truths?
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>>> There is a storm gathering. It’s dark and I’m afraid. <<< What’s the storm and what is there to fear ? >>> Some who advocate same sex marriage have taken the issue far beyond same sex couples. They want to bring the issue into my life. <<< Same sex marriage is about two people wanting to being recognized as a couple, entitled to the same legal representation and responsibilities like that of other married couples. Since when is it “going too far” to ask for the same rights that others are entitled to? AND – why do these people think this issue is being brought into their life? In what personal way would it affect these “individuals” if someone’s legal spouse is granted inheritance rights, or medical rights, or any of the 1,000 other laws that heterosexuals currently have? >>> My freedom will be taken away. <<< It seems to me, that freedoms are not being taken away, but being requested in equal measure. Anyone, know what freedom will suffer (other than the right to feel superior in one’s own prejudice, or the right to discriminate ‘legally’? >>> I’m a California Doctor who must choose between my faith and my job.<<< I’m at a loss for this one as well. Is this doctor a sex therapist, and fears same sex clients? What? >>> I’m part of a New Jersey church, punished by the government because we can’t support same sex marriage. <<< In what way would any church be punished if same sex marriage is legalized? Churches are protected under the law and can not be forced into performing a religious ritual against their belief. So how would churches be punished? >>> I’m a Massachussets parent helplessly watching public schools teach my son, gay marriage is ok. <<< Ok-how would this fit into any public school curriculum? Like in between math and English? Of course if gay marriage is legalized and child asks why at school –wouldn’t the appropriate answer be “so that all people are granted equality under the law” ? >>> But some who advocate for same sex marriage have not been content with same sex couples living as they wish. <<< Is like saying – but some slaves are not content to be free, they want equal pay with whites” ? WTF???? Please someone explain! >>> Those advocates want to change the way I live. <<< Freeing the slaves certainly had that effect on plantation owners – but how does granting homosexuals the right to marry, change the life of a heterosexual? >>> I will have no choice.<<< What’s that one about – do I a choice in who that person marries? Do I get a say in what religion they get practice? Does my choice have any decision making power in what laws they can be entitled to? But this person wants the choice to deny another the same rights she has????? Anyone have a logical answer to what that statement means? >>> The storm is coming, but we have hope—a rainbow coalitionof people of every creed and color are coming together in love to protect marriage.<<< Marriage does not need protection, people need protection and laws are how we provide ‘equal’ protection to all. Honestly – I would like nothing better than to see the LEGAL institution of marriage – and all the laws bound to it – abolished. Revamp all of the IRS, forget all the tax benefits that cover marriage and dependents and so on. Let EVERY couple who chooses to be recognized as the legal spouse of another, PAY a lawyer for their own dam rights. Imagine every Federal employee who has children with a non-citizen while stationed over-seas know how difficult it is to get those loved ones into the U.S. Imagine the red tape mess it would cause the military, if there was no ‘legal’ marriage from which to determine what people, related to the service member, are entitled to any kind of benefits. Come on people, what is really being ‘protected’ here? unequality |
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IMO....ads are there to sell people on whatever. they will use glamour, lies, half truths, whatever to get people to buy into it.
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personal and group agenda's propogated, using malice, and contempt, and hatred, in the name of "good", have ALWAYS led to tyranny???
self as mo' better, or one group as mo' better, never has, nor ever will, have any true sight of equality as the measure and founding of all good??? if we do not find what is really FIRST good, good can be made to look and become as anything??? good as anything, must have a foundation to stand on, besides opinions and emotions and feelings, of one or some, or the freedom of all, is lost to good intentions of many, that pave the road to hell for all??? peace |
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>>> There is a storm gathering. It’s dark and I’m afraid. <<< What’s the storm and what is there to fear ? >>> Some who advocate same sex marriage have taken the issue far beyond same sex couples. They want to bring the issue into my life. <<< Same sex marriage is about two people wanting to being recognized as a couple, entitled to the same legal representation and responsibilities like that of other married couples. Since when is it “going too far” to ask for the same rights that others are entitled to? AND – why do these people think this issue is being brought into their life? In what personal way would it affect these “individuals” if someone’s legal spouse is granted inheritance rights, or medical rights, or any of the 1,000 other laws that heterosexuals currently have? >>> My freedom will be taken away. <<< It seems to me, that freedoms are not being taken away, but being requested in equal measure. Anyone, know what freedom will suffer (other than the right to feel superior in one’s own prejudice, or the right to discriminate ‘legally’? >>> I’m a California Doctor who must choose between my faith and my job.<<< I’m at a loss for this one as well. Is this doctor a sex therapist, and fears same sex clients? What? >>> I’m part of a New Jersey church, punished by the government because we can’t support same sex marriage. <<< In what way would any church be punished if same sex marriage is legalized? Churches are protected under the law and can not be forced into performing a religious ritual against their belief. So how would churches be punished? >>> I’m a Massachussets parent helplessly watching public schools teach my son, gay marriage is ok. <<< Ok-how would this fit into any public school curriculum? Like in between math and English? Of course if gay marriage is legalized and child asks why at school –wouldn’t the appropriate answer be “so that all people are granted equality under the law” ? >>> But some who advocate for same sex marriage have not been content with same sex couples living as they wish. <<< Is like saying – but some slaves are not content to be free, they want equal pay with whites” ? WTF???? Please someone explain! >>> Those advocates want to change the way I live. <<< Freeing the slaves certainly had that effect on plantation owners – but how does granting homosexuals the right to marry, change the life of a heterosexual? >>> I will have no choice.<<< What’s that one about – do I a choice in who that person marries? Do I get a say in what religion they get practice? Does my choice have any decision making power in what laws they can be entitled to? But this person wants the choice to deny another the same rights she has????? Anyone have a logical answer to what that statement means? >>> The storm is coming, but we have hope—a rainbow coalitionof people of every creed and color are coming together in love to protect marriage.<<< Marriage does not need protection, people need protection and laws are how we provide ‘equal’ protection to all. Honestly – I would like nothing better than to see the LEGAL institution of marriage – and all the laws bound to it – abolished. Revamp all of the IRS, forget all the tax benefits that cover marriage and dependents and so on. Let EVERY couple who chooses to be recognized as the legal spouse of another, PAY a lawyer for their own dam rights. Imagine every Federal employee who has children with a non-citizen while stationed over-seas know how difficult it is to get those loved ones into the U.S. Imagine the red tape mess it would cause the military, if there was no ‘legal’ marriage from which to determine what people, related to the service member, are entitled to any kind of benefits. Come on people, what is really being ‘protected’ here? You're bias blinds you to facts! |
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What facts?
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