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Not true. Obama said that it would be the payroll and income taxes that would not be raised for the lower wages. Dragoness, Are you saying I am not quoting correctly? Or are you disputing the meaning of his words? He did not say "any" at any time during his campaign that I heard. He said their would not be tax increases on payroll and income taxes for the lower wages. I have good comprehension for the most part especially when I hear it more than once. Well, then, you're arguing the correctness of the quote. (Your opinion, mine, or that of others, is of no consequence. The truth is. What you herd is a "hearsay". Just like what I "have heard".) Let us direct our attention to the quote then. Here is the result of a simple google search on an exact phrase " Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital": http://tinyurl.com/c3t966 As you can see, there are about 33600 instances of that quote. Out of those, 32500 instances have "not any of your taxes." wording. Now, since I do not track politics, I think beorganic may provide an official source for the quote. |
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From BeeOrganic's article:
"The president's position throughout the campaign was that he would not raise income or payroll taxes on families making less than $250,000, and that's a promise he has kept," said White House spokesman Reid H. Cherlin." |
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What Does Sin Tax Mean? A state-sponsored tax that is added to products or services that are seen as vices, such as alcohol, tobacco and gambling. These type of taxes are levied by governments to discourage individuals from partaking in such activities without making the use of the products illegal. These taxes also provide a source of government revenue. Investopedia explains Sin Tax Sin taxes are typically added to liquor, cigarettes and other non-luxury items. State governments favor sin taxes because they generate an enormous amount of revenue and are usually easily accepted by the general public because they are indirect taxes that only affect those who use the products. When individual states run deficits, the sin tax is typically one of the first taxes recommended by lawmakers to help fill the budget gap. Translation for both definitions: Discrimination. |
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What Does Sin Tax Mean? A state-sponsored tax that is added to products or services that are seen as vices, such as alcohol, tobacco and gambling. These type of taxes are levied by governments to discourage individuals from partaking in such activities without making the use of the products illegal. These taxes also provide a source of government revenue. Investopedia explains Sin Tax Sin taxes are typically added to liquor, cigarettes and other non-luxury items. State governments favor sin taxes because they generate an enormous amount of revenue and are usually easily accepted by the general public because they are indirect taxes that only affect those who use the products. When individual states run deficits, the sin tax is typically one of the first taxes recommended by lawmakers to help fill the budget gap. Translation for both definitions: Discrimination. 
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What Does Sin Tax Mean? A state-sponsored tax that is added to products or services that are seen as vices, such as alcohol, tobacco and gambling. These type of taxes are levied by governments to discourage individuals from partaking in such activities without making the use of the products illegal. These taxes also provide a source of government revenue. Investopedia explains Sin Tax Sin taxes are typically added to liquor, cigarettes and other non-luxury items. State governments favor sin taxes because they generate an enormous amount of revenue and are usually easily accepted by the general public because they are indirect taxes that only affect those who use the products. When individual states run deficits, the sin tax is typically one of the first taxes recommended by lawmakers to help fill the budget gap. Translation for both definitions: Discrimination. class action lawsuit?????????? thanks for the smiley YR 
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I was at the store today picking up some needed things. I happened to notice the new prices for smokes -- almost $9.00 A PACK, and almost $80.00 for A CARTON!
Since the self-righteous "health freak" proponents for this tax seem to find this completely justifiable, I wonder how they would like it if their precious bottle of water was almost $9.00 per each, or almost $80.00 per case. I'd be willing to bet their tune would change in a damn quick hurry. |
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I was at the store today picking up some needed things. I happened to notice the new prices for smokes -- almost $9.00 A PACK, and almost $80.00 for A CARTON! Since the self-righteous "health freak" proponents for this tax seem to find this completely justifiable, I wonder how they would like it if their precious bottle of water was almost $9.00 per each, or almost $80.00 per case. I'd be willing to bet their tune would change in a damn quick hurry. Yikes was that for name brand cigs, Music? Where do you live? I smoke the cheapies and I expect them to go up to 3o something, and that just isn't going to work for me. Hell I found 20 dollars a carton a rip off. |
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I was at the store today picking up some needed things. I happened to notice the new prices for smokes -- almost $9.00 A PACK, and almost $80.00 for A CARTON! Since the self-righteous "health freak" proponents for this tax seem to find this completely justifiable, I wonder how they would like it if their precious bottle of water was almost $9.00 per each, or almost $80.00 per case. I'd be willing to bet their tune would change in a damn quick hurry. Geeze, I think they are $38 here! |
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They went up about .60 a pack or $6 a carton here..
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I'm stayin outta this one.
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Edited by
willing2
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Thu 04/02/09 02:08 PM
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I can go to Mexico. $12.00 a carton for Marlboro. Neaner, neaner, neaner!!
Al Diablo a los impuestos de Obama. I could possibly do legal drop-shipping. They'd have the Texas Tax Stamp on 'em. |
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I'm stayin outta this one. Good boy, Jimmy, don't want me to have to hurt you again.. grin! 
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Edited by
willing2
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Thu 04/02/09 02:19 PM
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I can go to Mexico. $12.00 a carton for Marlboro. Neaner, neaner, neaner!! Al Diablo a los impuestos de Obama. I could possibly do legal drop-shipping. They'd have the Texas Tax Stamp on 'em. Let me check and see if it's legal to ship Cig. interstate. I can buy Marlboro by the pallet. I have a place in Mexico I can store them. If it's legal, I'll start taking orders. Almost forgot. Got a Pay-Pal account I haven't used in a long time. |
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Edited by
wiley
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Thu 04/02/09 05:42 PM
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And, BOY, state sales taxes vary not just in percentage, but by items. What I don't get is if the taxes on cigarettes are to pay for children's health care and this new tax forces people to quit being that the price is so prohibitive, will they raise the money they are trying to raise? And, why not hit beer, wine and liquor up, too. And people who want to watch/read porn and see men and women strip, and on legalized prostitution? If government is so bent on scapegoating smokers, they should be more than willing to use those other sins for taxation. There's more to it than that. There will be less smokers then. Less smokers means less sick people. Less sick people means less health care costs. Also, hopefully, there will be less children smoking too. Winx, Winx, Winx you already sound like an exsmoker There will be less sick people when we stop interfering with nature; all those additives and chemicals added to our foods. There will be less sick people when fat is removed from our foods, when we all just consume organic raw materials. So I as a smoker don't buy that at all. People should not smoke, unless they chose to, I chose to, why should I pay more than those that consume alcohol or eat fast food 24-7? Smokers are being used as a scapegoat. If this new tax helps and makes others quit, yayyyyyyy. Still it is my choice to smoke, why am I being singled out? and as for the money being used for a particular cause, don't believe it. They'll tell you anything to get you behind them then they kinda forget and use funds elsewhere.  Nope, I'm still a smoker. I do see both sides of the issue though.  And..BeeOrganic was saying that Obama was not telling the truth about the tax increase and I believe that he did. You had to set me straight  I was responding to your post. re: Pres. Obama telling the truth, he may have had good intentions but the comment does have a few gray areas (open to interpretation) And..I was responding to a post as well.  I had guessed that when Obama said that there would be no personal tax increase for the middle class that he would have to get the money for his programs from somewhere else. I guess this is where it's going to be coming from. Well that and the repeal of the Bush tax cuts, and other "hidden tax" increases like this one. He can get away with saying he isn't raising taxes, because technically he isn't. Not the ones that are plainly visible like the IRS tax tables anyway. He said he would not increase personal taxes - income and payroll taxes. This is a sales tax. No it isn't.  A sales tax isn't restricted to certain items, unless you are dealing with perishable goods (where a sales tax may not be applicable.) This is not a tax on the sale. It is a tax in addition to the sale. That is why the price keeps increasing.
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Wiley: No it isn't. A sales tax isn't restricted to certain items, unless you are dealing with perishable goods (where a sales tax may not be applicable.) This is not a tax on the sale. It is a tax in addition to the sale. That is why the price keeps increasing. Yes. Wiley is correct. It is an addition to a sales tax, which itself changed, but that is a different story. Winx: From BeeOrganic's article: "The president's position throughout the campaign was that he would not raise income or payroll taxes on families making less than $250,000, and that's a promise he has kept," said White House spokesman Reid H. Cherlin." We're discussing the promise that he hasn't kept, and that is a promise not to raise "ANY" of "YOUR TAXES". That includes personal and non-personal taxes that you or I pay. "Any" means "any". In the future, he will also break the promise not to raise "income or payroll taxes", but for now this remains my speculation only. |
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Edited by
wiley
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Thu 04/02/09 07:54 PM
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We're discussing the promise that he hasn't kept, and that is a promise not to raise "ANY" of "YOUR TAXES". That includes personal and non-personal taxes that you or I pay. "Any" means "any". In the future, he will also break the promise not to raise "income or payroll taxes", but for now this remains my speculation only. The only reason he hasn't already is because he is letting the Bush tax "cuts" expire. Then he'll raise taxes on top of that for the double whammy. |
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Do you have a crystal ball, Wiley?
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"Read my lips, no new taxes". An infamous quote by George H. W. Bush at the 1998 Republican National Convention. After elected Bush raised taxes. In 1992, Bush lost his bid for re-election which I believe can be partially or mostly due to this broken promise. Flash ahead to September 12th, 2008 and Barack H. Obama. "I can make a firm pledge," he said in Dover, N.H., on Sept. 12. "Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes." He repeatedly vowed "you will not see any of your taxes increase one single dime." "Now in office, Obama, who stopped smoking but has admitted he slips now and then, signed a law raising the tobacco tax nearly 62 cents on a pack of cigarettes, to $1.01. Other tobacco products saw similarly steep increases." Joe Biden: "No one making less than $250,000 under Barack Obama's plan will see one single penny of their tax raised," Joe Biden said, "whether it's their capital gains tax, their income tax, investment tax, any tax." http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D979POSG0&show_article=1 Good luck Obama supporters in defending this one. This is just one of many campaign promises Obama has broken. If you look at the carbon tax (cap and trade) that will primarily be a tax on people making less than $250,000, if you look at it from the standpoint of the percentage of income that will be allocated to this tax. |
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This doesn't have anything to do with taxing anybody under $250,000. Smokers are included in all incomes.
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