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Obama was talking about personal taxes. I thought that was obvious. He wasn't talking about any sales taxes. What part of "any tax" don't you understand? From your article: "The president's position throughout the campaign was that he would not raise income or payroll taxes on families making less than $250,000, and that's a promise he has kept," said White House spokesman Reid H. Cherlin." That's how I understood it every time I heard him talk about it. You obviously misunderstood. Last I checked a sales tax is still a tax. "Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not ANY (my emphasis) of your taxes." You smoke and make less than 250K... your taxes were raised. Unfortunately, smoking or not smoking isn't the issue. The lie/broken promise is. |
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Obama was talking about personal taxes. I thought that was obvious. He wasn't talking about any sales taxes. The tobacco tax isn't a sales tax. It's a "sin" tax. is that like when one steals or covets thy neighbor's wife/hubby? or when one is adulterous??? are those taxed too???  No. That would make some kind of sense. Nothing the government does makes sense. |
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ok....Bush vetoed it before....so non-issue now. it goes through the government to be passed...then the president signs it. why wouldn't obama veto it
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Obama was talking about personal taxes. I thought that was obvious. He wasn't talking about any sales taxes. The tobacco tax isn't a sales tax. It's a "sin" tax. is that like when one steals or covets thy neighbor's wife/hubby? or when one is adulterous??? are those taxed too??? No. That would make some kind of sense. Nothing the government does makes sense. That would help me not owe taxes as I don't sin (in public)  or on purpose  just kidding |
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ok....Bush vetoed it before....so non-issue now. it goes through the government to be passed...then the president signs it. why wouldn't obama veto it A better question -- why would you expect him to? He's a democrat. |
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..THE SEVEN DEADLY SINS:
1.LUST 2.GLUTTONY 3.GREED 4.SLOTH 5.WRATH 6.ENVY 7.PRIDE 8.CIGARETTES? which one do you fall under....which one is next..  |
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What are they going to tax instead when cigarettes are eventually banned? That seems to be what they're pushing for.
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..THE SEVEN DEADLY SINS: 1.LUST 2.GLUTTONY 3.GREED 4.SLOTH 5.WRATH 6.ENVY 7.PRIDE 8.CIGARETTES? which one do you fall under....which one is next..  tombraider I dont sin no pictures no proof aint me sorry OP |
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And, BOY, state sales taxes vary not just in percentage, but by items. What I don't get is if the taxes on cigarettes are to pay for children's health care and this new tax forces people to quit being that the price is so prohibitive, will they raise the money they are trying to raise? And, why not hit beer, wine and liquor up, too. And people who want to watch/read porn and see men and women strip, and on legalized prostitution? If government is so bent on scapegoating smokers, they should be more than willing to use those other sins for taxation. Actually that got me thinking, why smokes, why not porn all by it's self, all associated sexual items. I bet every american could have free health care on that alone, not just the kids. |
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And, BOY, state sales taxes vary not just in percentage, but by items. What I don't get is if the taxes on cigarettes are to pay for children's health care and this new tax forces people to quit being that the price is so prohibitive, will they raise the money they are trying to raise? And, why not hit beer, wine and liquor up, too. And people who want to watch/read porn and see men and women strip, and on legalized prostitution? If government is so bent on scapegoating smokers, they should be more than willing to use those other sins for taxation. Actually that got me thinking, why smokes, why not porn all by it's self, all associated sexual items. I bet every american could have free health care on that alone, not just the kids. because then I would have nothing to look forward to in life 
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And, BOY, state sales taxes vary not just in percentage, but by items. What I don't get is if the taxes on cigarettes are to pay for children's health care and this new tax forces people to quit being that the price is so prohibitive, will they raise the money they are trying to raise? And, why not hit beer, wine and liquor up, too. And people who want to watch/read porn and see men and women strip, and on legalized prostitution? If government is so bent on scapegoating smokers, they should be more than willing to use those other sins for taxation. There's more to it than that. There will be less smokers then. Less smokers means less sick people. Less sick people means less health care costs. Also, hopefully, there will be less children smoking too. Have another cig, winx, your losing your mind.. grin |
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ok....Bush vetoed it before....so non-issue now. it goes through the government to be passed...then the president signs it. why wouldn't obama veto it The President can not be a dictator. We already had one of those, (Bush, the decider.) If the President wants to get a difficult bill signed then he must deal with all members of congress. He cant do anything by himself. It makes it a little easier if your party has a strong majority, but the Dems dont have that luxury. Obama has to make concessions. He has promised to rule with a bipartisan effort and he is trying. He doesn't have the luxury of just vetoing his stimulus plan if he hopes to save the economy! Even if he had you would still have the same group of people betching. Only then it would be that he didnt work on a bipartisan level, or that he didnt pass his stimulus and the economy failed while congress wrangled over this one part! You cant win all the time and some people will never be happy! |
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 Wow! Did I kill the thread?
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And, BOY, state sales taxes vary not just in percentage, but by items. What I don't get is if the taxes on cigarettes are to pay for children's health care and this new tax forces people to quit being that the price is so prohibitive, will they raise the money they are trying to raise? And, why not hit beer, wine and liquor up, too. And people who want to watch/read porn and see men and women strip, and on legalized prostitution? If government is so bent on scapegoating smokers, they should be more than willing to use those other sins for taxation. There's more to it than that. There will be less smokers then. Less smokers means less sick people. Less sick people means less health care costs. Also, hopefully, there will be less children smoking too. Winx, Winx, Winx you already sound like an exsmoker There will be less sick people when we stop interfering with nature; all those additives and chemicals added to our foods. There will be less sick people when fat is removed from our foods, when we all just consume organic raw materials. So I as a smoker don't buy that at all. People should not smoke, unless they chose to, I chose to, why should I pay more than those that consume alcohol or eat fast food 24-7? Smokers are being used as a scapegoat. If this new tax helps and makes others quit, yayyyyyyy. Still it is my choice to smoke, why am I being singled out? and as for the money being used for a particular cause, don't believe it. They'll tell you anything to get you behind them then they kinda forget and use funds elsewhere. Nope, I'm still a smoker. I do see both sides of the issue though.  And..BeeOrganic was saying that Obama was not telling the truth about the tax increase and I believe that he did. He repeatedly vowed "you will not see any of your taxes increase one single dime." You may want to look up in a dictionary to see what the word "any" means. Why do you feel the need to put people down when you talk to them? |
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Wow! Did I kill the thread? yup you done gone and done did it now  |
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And, BOY, state sales taxes vary not just in percentage, but by items. What I don't get is if the taxes on cigarettes are to pay for children's health care and this new tax forces people to quit being that the price is so prohibitive, will they raise the money they are trying to raise? And, why not hit beer, wine and liquor up, too. And people who want to watch/read porn and see men and women strip, and on legalized prostitution? If government is so bent on scapegoating smokers, they should be more than willing to use those other sins for taxation. There's more to it than that. There will be less smokers then. Less smokers means less sick people. Less sick people means less health care costs. Also, hopefully, there will be less children smoking too. Winx, Winx, Winx you already sound like an exsmoker There will be less sick people when we stop interfering with nature; all those additives and chemicals added to our foods. There will be less sick people when fat is removed from our foods, when we all just consume organic raw materials. So I as a smoker don't buy that at all. People should not smoke, unless they chose to, I chose to, why should I pay more than those that consume alcohol or eat fast food 24-7? Smokers are being used as a scapegoat. If this new tax helps and makes others quit, yayyyyyyy. Still it is my choice to smoke, why am I being singled out? and as for the money being used for a particular cause, don't believe it. They'll tell you anything to get you behind them then they kinda forget and use funds elsewhere. Nope, I'm still a smoker. I do see both sides of the issue though. And..BeeOrganic was saying that Obama was not telling the truth about the tax increase and I believe that he did. You had to set me straight  I was responding to your post. re: Pres. Obama telling the truth, he may have had good intentions but the comment does have a few gray areas (open to interpretation) And..I was responding to a post as well. I had guessed that when Obama said that there would be no personal tax increase for the middle class that he would have to get the money for his programs from somewhere else. I guess this is where it's going to be coming from. Well that and the repeal of the Bush tax cuts, and other "hidden tax" increases like this one. He can get away with saying he isn't raising taxes, because technically he isn't. Not the ones that are plainly visible like the IRS tax tables anyway. He said he would not increase personal taxes - income and payroll taxes. This is a sales tax. |
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And, BOY, state sales taxes vary not just in percentage, but by items. What I don't get is if the taxes on cigarettes are to pay for children's health care and this new tax forces people to quit being that the price is so prohibitive, will they raise the money they are trying to raise? And, why not hit beer, wine and liquor up, too. And people who want to watch/read porn and see men and women strip, and on legalized prostitution? If government is so bent on scapegoating smokers, they should be more than willing to use those other sins for taxation. There's more to it than that. There will be less smokers then. Less smokers means less sick people. Less sick people means less health care costs. Also, hopefully, there will be less children smoking too. Have another cig, winx, your losing your mind.. grin Well, there are some pluses in all of this.
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What Does Sin Tax Mean?
A state-sponsored tax that is added to products or services that are seen as vices, such as alcohol, tobacco and gambling. These type of taxes are levied by governments to discourage individuals from partaking in such activities without making the use of the products illegal. These taxes also provide a source of government revenue. Investopedia explains Sin Tax Sin taxes are typically added to liquor, cigarettes and other non-luxury items. State governments favor sin taxes because they generate an enormous amount of revenue and are usually easily accepted by the general public because they are indirect taxes that only affect those who use the products. When individual states run deficits, the sin tax is typically one of the first taxes recommended by lawmakers to help fill the budget gap. |
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Wow! Did I kill the thread? yup you done gone and done did it now I should have know it wouldnt last!!
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Edited by
franshade
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Thu 04/02/09 10:49 AM
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Wow! Did I kill the thread? yup you done gone and done did it now I should have know it wouldnt last!! can I recommend solution  nah I'm I know sorry yr - Sin Tax - the first tax to be recommended by lawmakers to help till the budget gap, is this done at their own convenience and discretion??? |
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