Topic: Religious views of Thomas Jefferson
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Thu 04/02/09 06:52 AM
RELIGIOUS VIEWS OF THOMAS JEFFERSON.

In a letter to his daughter, written in 1803, Mr. Jefferson said: "A promise made to a friend some years ago, but executed only lately, has placed my religious creed on paper. I have thought it just that my family, by possessing this, should be enabled to estimate the libels published against me on this, as on every other possible subject." The "religious creed" to which he referred was a comparison of the doctrines of Jesus with those of others, prepared in fulfillment of a promise made to Dr. Benjamin Rush. This paper, with the letter to Dr. Rush which accompanied it. is a fit introduction to the "Jefferson Bible."

Washington, April 21, 1803.

Dear Sir,

In some of the delightful conversations with you, in the evenings of 1798-99, and which served as an anodyne to the afflictions of the crisis through which our country was then laboring, the Christian religion was sometimes our topic; and I then promised you that one day or other, I would give you my views of it. They are the result of a life of inquiry and reflection, and very different from that Anti-Christian system imputed to me by those who know nothing of my opinions. To the corruptions of christianity I am indeed opposed; but not to the genuine precepts of Jesus himself. I am a Christian in the only sense in which he wished any one to be; sincerely attached to his doctrines, in preference to all others; ascribing to himself every human excellence, and believing he never claimed any other.

At the short intervals since these conversations, when I could justifiably abstract my mind from public affairs, this subject has been under my contemplation; but the more I considered it, the more it expanded beyond the measure of either my time or Information. In the moment of my late departure from Monticello, I received from Dr. Priestly his little treatise of "Socrates and Jesus Compared." This being a section of the general view I had taken of the field, it became a subject of reflection while on the road, and unoccupied otherwise. The result was to arrange in my mind a syllabus, or outline, of such an estimate of the comparative merits of Christianity, as I wished to see executed by some one of more leisure and information for the task than myself. This I now send you, as the only discharge of my promise I can probably ever execute. And in confiding it to you, I know it will not be exposed to the malignant perversions of those who make every word from me a text for new misrepresentations and calumnies.

I am moreover averse to the communication of my religious tenets to the public; because it would countenance the presumption of those who have endeavored to draw them before that tribunal, and to seduce public opinion to erect itself into that inquisition over the rights of conscience which the laws have so justly proscribed. It behooves every man who values liberty of conscience for himself to resist invasions of it in the case of others, or their case may, by change of circumstances, become his own. It behooves him, too, in his own case, to give no example of concession, betraying the right of independent opinion by answering questions of faith, which the laws have left between God and himself.

Accept my affectionate salutations.

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SYLLABUS OF AN ESTIMATE OF THE DOCTRINES OF JESUS, COMPARED WITH THOSE OF OTHERS.
In a comparative view of the ethics of the enlightened nations of antiquity, of the Jews, and of Jesus, no notice should be taken of the corruptions of reason among the ancients, to wit, the idolatry and superstition of the vulgar, nor of the corruptions of Christianity by the learned among its professors. Let a just view be taken of the moral principles inculcated by the most esteemed of the sects of ancient philosophy, or of their individuals; particularly Pythagoras, Socrates, Epicurus, Cicero, Epictetus, Seneca, Antoninus.

I. PHILOSOPHERS

1. Their precepts related chiefly to ourselves, and the government of those passions which, unrestrained, would disturb our tranquility of mind. In this branch of philosophy they were really great.

2. In developing our duties to others, they were short and defective. They embraced indeed the circles of kindred and friends, and inculcated patriotism, or the love of country in the aggregate, as a primary obligation: towards our neighbors and countrymen they taught justice, but scarcely viewed them as within the circle of benevolence. Still less have they inculcated peace, charity, and love to our fellow-men, or embraced with benevolence the whole family of mankind.

II. JEWS

1. Their system was Deism, that is, the belief in one only God; but their ideas of him and of his attributes were degrading and injurious.

2. Their ethics were not only imperfect, but often irreconcilable with the sound dictates of reason and morality, as they respect intercourse with those around us; and repulsive and anti-social as respecting other nations. They needed reformation, therefore, in an eminent degree.


III. JESUS

In this state of things among the Jews, Jesus appeared. His parentage was obscure; his condition poor; his education null; his natural endowments great; his life correct and innocent. He was meek, benevolent, patient, firm, disinterested, and of the sublimest eloquence. The disadvantages under which his doctrines appear are remarkable.

1. Like Socrates and Epictetus, he wrote nothing himself.

2. But he had not, like them, a Xenophon or an Arrian to write for him. I name not Plato, who only used the name of Socrates to cover the whimsies of his own brain.

On the contrary, all the learned of his country, entrenched in its power and riches, were opposed to him, lest his labors should undermine their advantages; and the committing to writing of his life and doctrines fell on unlettered and ignorant men; who wrote, too, from memory, and not till long after the transactions had passed.

3. According to the ordinary fate of those who attempt to enlighten and reform mankind, he fell an early victim to the jealousy and combination of the altar and the throne, at about 33 years of age, his reason having not yet attained the maximum of its energy, nor the course of his preaching, which was but of three years at most, presented occasions for developing a complete system of morals.

4. Hence the doctrines which he really delivered were defective, as a whole, and fragments only of what he did deliver have come to us mutilated, misstated, and often unintelligible.

5. They have been still more disfigured by the corruptions of schismatizing followers, who have found an interest in sophisticating and perverting the simple doctrines he taught, by engrafting on them the mysticisms of a Grecian Sophist (Plato), frittering them into subtilties and obscuring them with jargon, until they have caused good men to reject the whole in disgust, and to view Jesus himself as an impostor. Notwithstanding these disadvantages, a system of morals is presented to us which, if filled up in the true style and spirit of the rich fragments he left us, would be the most perfect and sublime that has ever been taught by man. The question of his being a member of the Godhead, or in direct communication with it, claimed for him by some of his followers, and denied by others, is foreign to the present view, which is merely an estimate of the intrinsic merits of his doctrines.

1. He corrected the Deism of the Jews, confirming them in their belief of one only god, and giving them juster notions of his attributes and government.

2. His moral doctrines, relating to kindred and friends, were more pure and perfect than those of the most correct of the philosophers, and greatly more so than those of the Jews; and they went far beyond both in inculcating universal philanthrophy, not only to kindred and friends, to neighbors and countrymen, but to all mankind, gathering all into one family, under the bonds of love, charity, peace, common wants and common aids. A development of this head will evince the peculiar superiority of the system of Jesus over all others.

3. The precepts of philosophy and of the Hebrew code laid hold of action only. He pushed his scrutinies into the heart of man; erected his tribunal in the region of his thought, and purified the waters at the fountain head.

4. He taught emphatically the doctrine of a future state, which was either doubted or disbelieved by the Jews; and wielded it with efficacy as an important incentive, supplementary to the other motives to moral conduct.

I, too, have made a wee-little book from the same materials (The Gospels) which I call the Philosophy of Jesus. It is a paradigma of his doctrines, made by cutting the texts out of the book and arranging them on the pages of a blank book, in a certain order of time or subject. A more beautiful or precious morsel of ethics I have never seen. It is a document in proof that I am a REAL CHRISTIAN, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus, very different from the Platonists, who call ME infidel and THEMSELVES Christians and preachers of the Gospel, while they draw all their characteristic dogmas from what its author never said nor saw. They have compounded from the heathen mysteries a system beyond the comprehension of man, of which the great reformer of the vicious ethics and deism of the Jews, were he to return on earth, would not recognize one feature.—Jefferson to Mr. Charles Thompson.


What are your thoughts on Thomas Jefferson's views?


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Thu 04/02/09 06:58 AM
Edited by smiless on Thu 04/02/09 07:03 AM
If you are interested in reading how Thomas Jefferson compiled and reorganized the bible's teachings then go to this website to read further. http://sacred-texts.com/bib/jb/jb04.htm

Also if you are curious of how Deism started or the introduction of it, I have a few short paragraphs to read up on the following link - http://mingle2.com/topic/show/215176?page=6


I mention Deism because it is said that Thomas Jefferson was one.

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Thu 04/02/09 07:02 AM
He was one of several Deists who were responsible for establishing this nation.

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Thu 04/02/09 07:04 AM

He was one of several Deists who were responsible for establishing this nation.


Actually the first three Presidents where Deists. You are correct.drinker

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Thu 04/02/09 07:24 AM
Yes and so was Benjamin Franklin I do believe. Of course we only have their statements to go on but that seems to be where the majority of the evidence leans. Ben Franklin was a scientist also so that would make sense. I watched a film called "Religulous" just recently and it also discusses this issue in one brief section. Its a documentary.

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Thu 04/02/09 07:27 AM
Edited by splendidlife on Thu 04/02/09 08:10 AM
Jefferson wrote that he was
rescuing the philosophy of Jesus and the "pure principles which he taught," from the "artificial vestments"


The Philosophy of Jesus, in it's purest sense, is suitable to me.



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Fri 04/03/09 07:48 AM

Jefferson wrote that he was
rescuing the philosophy of Jesus and the "pure principles which he taught," from the "artificial vestments"


The Philosophy of Jesus, in it's purest sense, is suitable to me.





I think that is what Thomas Jefferson was trying to do. He was trying to get the purest sense of what Jesus was trying to teach and leave out all the construed information including the supernatural events out of the bible.

The result is called "The Jefferson Bible."

I have yet to read it one day, but I commend the effort from this brilliant man back then.

I would say that if we look at the bible in a historical reference it is interesting in itself, yet when it comes to faith as facts and laws that one has to follow to live a good life or your eternal soul perishes (or what have you) then I would say this would be for my taste to extreme for the taking.

Of course everyone has their opinion on the bible as it clearly shows the many different idealogies on it. Just look at all the denominations that exist because of the writings of the bible. I am actually doing a thread on it now called "The Future of Religion"


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Fri 04/03/09 08:51 AM
Quotes from Thomas Jefferson:

Say nothing of my religion. It is known to God and myself alone. Its evidence before the world is to be sought in my life: if it has been honest and dutiful to society the religion which has regulated it cannot be a bad one.


Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.



Our particular principles of religion are a subject of accountability to God alone.


Believing that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their Legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church and State.


Christianity neither is, nor ever was, a part of the common law.


[A] short time elapsed after the death of the great reformer of the Jewish religion, before his principles were departed from by those who professed to be his special servants, and perverted into an engine for enslaving mankind, and aggrandising their oppressors in Church and State; that the purest system of morals ever before preached to man, has been adulterated and sophisticated by artificial constructions, into a mere contrivance to filch wealth and power to themselves; that rational men not being able to swallow their impious heresies, in order to force them down their throats, they raise the hue and cry of infidelity, while themselves are the greatest obstacles to the advancement of the real doctrines of Jesus, and do in fact constitute the real Anti-Christ.
-- Thomas Jefferson,


The Christian religion, when divested of the rags in which they [the clergy] have enveloped it, and brought to the original purity and simplicity of it's benevolent institutor, is a religion of all others most friendly to liberty, science, and the freest expansion of the human mind.


Our civil rights have no dependence upon our religious opinions more than our opinions in physics or geometry.

We have no right to prejudice another in his civil enjoyments because he is of another church.


The declaration that religious faith shall be unpunished does not give immunity to criminal acts dictated by religious error.


I may grow rich by an art I am compelled to follow; I may recover health by medicines I am compelled to take against my own judgment; but I cannot be saved by a worship I disbelieve and abhor.






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Fri 04/03/09 08:54 AM
The declaration that religious faith shall be unpunished does not give immunity to criminal acts dictated by religious error.


Thats a very important one right there. think

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Sat 04/04/09 08:51 PM


He was one of several Deists who were responsible for establishing this nation.


Actually the first three Presidents where Deists. You are correct.drinker


Neither Washington or Adams were Deists.

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Sat 04/04/09 09:39 PM



He was one of several Deists who were responsible for establishing this nation.


Actually the first three Presidents where Deists. You are correct.drinker


Neither Washington or Adams were Deists.

While they didn't identify themselves as deists, much of their writings lead many to believe they were. Neither was overly religious and Adams regularly spoke rather disparagingly of religion and christianity.

"The founders of our nation were nearly all Infidels, and that of the presidents who had thus far been elected [Washington; Adams; Jefferson; Madison; Monroe; Adams; Jackson] not a one had professed a belief in Christianity....
"Among all our presidents from Washington downward, not one was a professor of religion, at least not of more than Unitarianism."
-- The Reverend Doctor Bird Wilson, an Episcopal minister in Albany, New York, in a sermon preached in October, 1831. One might expect a modern defender of the Evangelical to play with the meaning of "Christianity," making it refer only to a specific brand of orthodoxy, first sentence quoted in John E Remsberg, Six Historic Americans, second sentence quoted in Paul F Boller, George Washington & Religion, pp. 14-15
http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/quotes/adams.htm

John Adams is regarded as one of the most important Founding Fathers of the United States of America. Before becoming the second President of the United States, John Adams served as the Vice-President under President George Washington. Prior to that, John Adams was a signer of the Declaration of Independence as a delegate from Massachusetts. President John Adams was a devout Unitarian, which was a non-trinitarian Protestant Christian denomination during the Colonial era.
http://www.adherents.com/people/pa/John_Adams.html

George Washington was a man for whom if you were to look at his writings, you would be very hard pressed to find any deep, personal involvement with religion. Washington thought religion was important for the culture and he thought religion was important for soldiers largely because he hoped it would instill good discipline, though he was often bitterly disappointed by the discipline that it did or didn't instill.

And he thought that society needed religion. But he was not a pious man himself. That is, he wasn't someone who was given to daily Bible reading. He wasn't someone who was evangelical. He simply was a believer. It's fair, perfectly fair, to describe Washington as a believer but not as someone whose daily behavior, whose political life, whose principals are so deeply infected by religion that you would have felt it if you were talking to him.
http://www.adherents.com/people/pw/George_Washington.html

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Sun 04/05/09 04:22 AM
I would agree that we dont have positive documentation affirming what George Washington's religious views were one way or another but that is because he was a very private man and not only where his spirituality was concerned. He did not attend church however like his wife Martha and he would wait outside for her while she went in on Sunday morning. At his death bed he wanted no clergy or minsters present. He was also a Freemason.

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Thu 04/09/09 06:46 AM
Edited by smiless on Thu 04/09/09 07:36 AM
Christopher Hitchen has a book called "God is not Great".

He gets in detail about the founding fathers and their views on religion.

If it is true is something you have to decide on your own.drinker


Thomas Jefferson was a amazing and charismatic person who had great views in forming this country. One can only think though what would he say about it 232 years later.