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Edited by
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Put it this way. Would you rather have the idiot Bush in charge or a 1/2 way intelligent 1/2 black 1/2 white man in charge? Neither. Both were/are terrible for our country. This one more-so than the last. "idiot Bush ... or a 1/2 way intelligent" What Obama is doing will have many long-term ramifications that I fear he fully understands. His followers do not realize what pain and suffering but eventually, we will feel it. None of these policies have any long-term reform for the government or the monetary/credit system that was the root of the problem. Sure, we'll be "energy independent" (ha!) and have nationalized healthcare (on the backs of the middle/lower class) but we still have the root issues in the monetary system that allowed this crisis to happen in the first place - no amount of regulation (even nationalization) will ever fix that. We need complete, sweeping reform in regards to how money is handled. Were you screaming this loud from Jan.'01 to Jan. '09? Ron Paul supporters have always screamed that loud! I dont think they see that Ron Paul is supported by the same entity that conspired to overthrow the US gov when FDR was President! I think it was Butler who threw a wrench in that plan! |
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Were you screaming this loud from Jan.'01 to Jan. '09? YES!!!!!!!!!!!! And I am not even an American....I KNEW his policies would have a direct impact on my country...same as Obama's will, it's why I choose him, over the last 50 year's worth of your presidents. Arent you a lovely sheila! ![]() |
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If you listent to the good ole faithful fearmongerers Obama is the end of the world for us but he hasn't even been in office long enough to do any damage yet.
Obama will do fine. He is listening to the people, something that hasn't been done for quite a while now. |
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Put it this way. Would you rather have the idiot Bush in charge or a 1/2 way intelligent 1/2 black 1/2 white man in charge? Neither. Both were/are terrible for our country. This one more-so than the last. "idiot Bush ... or a 1/2 way intelligent" What Obama is doing will have many long-term ramifications that I fear he fully understands. His followers do not realize what pain and suffering but eventually, we will feel it. None of these policies have any long-term reform for the government or the monetary/credit system that was the root of the problem. Sure, we'll be "energy independent" (ha!) and have nationalized healthcare (on the backs of the middle/lower class) but we still have the root issues in the monetary system that allowed this crisis to happen in the first place - no amount of regulation (even nationalization) will ever fix that. We need complete, sweeping reform in regards to how money is handled. Were you screaming this loud from Jan.'01 to Jan. '09? Yes, I was. I'm libertarian and my economic ideals make Reagan look almost socialist. I joined discussions about 2 years ago and since I argued against Obama, everyone has me tagged as a Bush supporter. I haven't been since the Patriot Act. Like I said, neither was a good option. Bush was as far from true conservative economics as anyone and even McCain was a bad choice but I knew Obama's ideals would make his $600B and change budget deficit from the campaign into far more while with McCain, I did not know how far it would go. I chose uncertainty and hope over what I knew would be inevitable. |
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If you listent to the good ole faithful fearmongerers Obama is the end of the world for us but he hasn't even been in office long enough to do any damage yet. Obama will do fine. He is listening to the people, something that hasn't been done for quite a while now. But apparently, he's been in long enough to make it right. |
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If you listent to the good ole faithful fearmongerers Obama is the end of the world for us but he hasn't even been in office long enough to do any damage yet. Obama will do fine. He is listening to the people, something that hasn't been done for quite a while now. But apparently, he's been in long enough to make it right. Not true, he has been in long enough to show that he meant what he said and will attempt to keep his promises and his ideals to work for the all people instead of working for those certain people as we have suffered for the last 8 years. |
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If you listent to the good ole faithful fearmongerers Obama is the end of the world for us but he hasn't even been in office long enough to do any damage yet. Obama will do fine. He is listening to the people, something that hasn't been done for quite a while now. But apparently, he's been in long enough to make it right. Not true, he has been in long enough to show that he meant what he said and will attempt to keep his promises and his ideals to work for the all people instead of working for those certain people as we have suffered for the last 8 years. Has he not bailed out AIG (as one of the largest recipients of their campaign donations)? Did he not go against his promises of transparency with the stimulus bill? Did he not go against his promises of no earmarks and wasteful spending on the appropriations bill? He is no more for the people than Bush was. Obama is just better at hiding it. Do you really think that one statement at a town hall will shape his plan? there are polls for this - the president does not have the physical capacity of finding out what is best for all americans on his own. The meetings and crap are all a charade. |
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Junior Bush was the 1st president that disgraced the country and made Americans the subject of scorn and ridicule around the globe. As one who has traveled abroad, I experienced this first hand. While abroad, I always made it clear that 1) I voted for Gore(lost 5-4) and 2) I voted for Kerry.
President Obama is such a welcome change from the tortuous, deceitful policies of the past 8 years. Once again it feels to good to say without reservation, "Yes, I am an American." |
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Junior Bush was the 1st president that disgraced the country and made Americans the subject of scorn and ridicule around the globe. As one who has traveled abroad, I experienced this first hand. While abroad, I always made it clear that 1) I voted for Gore(lost 5-4) and 2) I voted for Kerry. President Obama is such a welcome change from the tortuous, deceitful policies of the past 8 years. Once again it feels to good to say without reservation, "Yes, I am an American." While I cannot argue that Dubya did in fact cause a sharp decline in the popularity of America as a whole, the repair of that should not be the primary concern of the new president. We should be his first concern and what he is doing does not have the interests of the entirety of the American people at heart. It is just putting off what is to come. We need fiscal responsibility, not massive spending and borrowing. We need real reform and trimming of government, not more of it to waste our money. Obama IMO has done almost nothing right so far and I do not believe I will find him any better a president than W. If we are forced to relive another financial crisis at any point in the future that has roots in the causes of the current 'crisis,' then I believe every single bit of legislation passed to 'fix' this current mess will be a complete and utter failure. This, I fear, is our future. |
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Put it this way. Would you rather have the idiot Bush in charge or a 1/2 way intelligent 1/2 black 1/2 white man in charge? Neither. Both were/are terrible for our country. This one more-so than the last. "idiot Bush ... or a 1/2 way intelligent" What Obama is doing will have many long-term ramifications that I fear he fully understands. His followers do not realize what pain and suffering but eventually, we will feel it. None of these policies have any long-term reform for the government or the monetary/credit system that was the root of the problem. Sure, we'll be "energy independent" (ha!) and have nationalized healthcare (on the backs of the middle/lower class) but we still have the root issues in the monetary system that allowed this crisis to happen in the first place - no amount of regulation (even nationalization) will ever fix that. We need complete, sweeping reform in regards to how money is handled. Were you screaming this loud from Jan.'01 to Jan. '09? Yes, I was. I'm libertarian and my economic ideals make Reagan look almost socialist. I joined discussions about 2 years ago and since I argued against Obama, everyone has me tagged as a Bush supporter. I haven't been since the Patriot Act. Like I said, neither was a good option. Bush was as far from true conservative economics as anyone and even McCain was a bad choice but I knew Obama's ideals would make his $600B and change budget deficit from the campaign into far more while with McCain, I did not know how far it would go. I chose uncertainty and hope over what I knew would be inevitable. Actually I thought you were a Ron Paul supporter! Sorry about that! ![]() |
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If you listent to the good ole faithful fearmongerers Obama is the end of the world for us but he hasn't even been in office long enough to do any damage yet. Obama will do fine. He is listening to the people, something that hasn't been done for quite a while now. But apparently, he's been in long enough to make it right. Not true, he has been in long enough to show that he meant what he said and will attempt to keep his promises and his ideals to work for the all people instead of working for those certain people as we have suffered for the last 8 years. And give confidence to those that matter. Investors! |
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Put it this way. Would you rather have the idiot Bush in charge or a 1/2 way intelligent 1/2 black 1/2 white man in charge? Neither. Both were/are terrible for our country. This one more-so than the last. "idiot Bush ... or a 1/2 way intelligent" What Obama is doing will have many long-term ramifications that I fear he fully understands. His followers do not realize what pain and suffering but eventually, we will feel it. None of these policies have any long-term reform for the government or the monetary/credit system that was the root of the problem. Sure, we'll be "energy independent" (ha!) and have nationalized healthcare (on the backs of the middle/lower class) but we still have the root issues in the monetary system that allowed this crisis to happen in the first place - no amount of regulation (even nationalization) will ever fix that. We need complete, sweeping reform in regards to how money is handled. Were you screaming this loud from Jan.'01 to Jan. '09? Yes, I was. I'm libertarian and my economic ideals make Reagan look almost socialist. I joined discussions about 2 years ago and since I argued against Obama, everyone has me tagged as a Bush supporter. I haven't been since the Patriot Act. Like I said, neither was a good option. Bush was as far from true conservative economics as anyone and even McCain was a bad choice but I knew Obama's ideals would make his $600B and change budget deficit from the campaign into far more while with McCain, I did not know how far it would go. I chose uncertainty and hope over what I knew would be inevitable. Actually I thought you were a Ron Paul supporter! Sorry about that! ![]() As the best option of anyone that campaigned seriously, yes. I support his economic principles more than anything and I vote 90% on that position. Social issues can be changed and do change over time. Economic principles, however, have remained the same basic argument since the beginning of our nation and are what determine the real viability and stability of a society. While I feel being environmentally conscious (not this green crap, but respectful and responsible) and things like gay rights are important, I do not see how these will bring major change in the future outcome of society as much as economic policy. |
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I researched Ron Paul many times and frankly, I think he's a kook!
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Jobless rate bolts to 8.5 percent, 663K jobs lost... They also said that it's a reason for hope and not panic. When the stock market goes up, it takes 4 to 12 mths. for jobs to catch up. They said that was how economic recovery happens. http://abcnews.go.com/Business/Economy/story?id=7246813&page=1 You are absolutely correct! The decline in the job market is still a reflection on the Bush Administrations performance. Actually I think if Bush was still running the show he would have had these problems fixed by now and America would be in much better shape then what Obama has done.Bush may have not been the best in public relations but he was a great business man. |
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Edited by
Winx
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Sat 04/04/09 12:12 AM
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Jobless rate bolts to 8.5 percent, 663K jobs lost... They also said that it's a reason for hope and not panic. When the stock market goes up, it takes 4 to 12 mths. for jobs to catch up. They said that was how economic recovery happens. http://abcnews.go.com/Business/Economy/story?id=7246813&page=1 You are absolutely correct! The decline in the job market is still a reflection on the Bush Administrations performance. Actually I think if Bush was still running the show he would have had these problems fixed by now and America would be in much better shape then what Obama has done.Bush may have not been the best in public relations but he was a great business man. Thomas, Bush was President until Jan. 19, 2009. These problems existed while he was President. If he could have fixed it, he would have had it fixed 2 and 1/2 mths. ago. He didn't. He wasn't the great businessman that you think he was. |
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Jobless rate bolts to 8.5 percent, 663K jobs lost... They also said that it's a reason for hope and not panic. When the stock market goes up, it takes 4 to 12 mths. for jobs to catch up. They said that was how economic recovery happens. http://abcnews.go.com/Business/Economy/story?id=7246813&page=1 You are absolutely correct! The decline in the job market is still a reflection on the Bush Administrations performance. Actually I think if Bush was still running the show he would have had these problems fixed by now and America would be in much better shape then what Obama has done.Bush may have not been the best in public relations but he was a great business man. Thomas, Bush was President until Jan. 19, 2009. These problems existed while he was President. If he could have fixed it, he would have had it fixed 2 and 1/2 mths. ago. He didn't. He wasn't the great businessman that you think he was. Winx is there any doubt if Bush had done the things that Obama has done there wouldn't be people outside the white house with torches wanting his head on a platter?There is no way Bush would have gotten through this diaster with out getting impeached. |
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Thomas,
Bush started the stimulus package. |
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Winx is there any doubt if Bush had done the things that Obama has done there wouldn't be people outside the white house with torches wanting his head on a platter?There is no way Bush would have gotten through this diaster with out getting impeached. Oh please, after the things Bush got away with, no one did a damn thing. Thanks for the early morning laugh. |
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I don't know why I bother coming here. All I need to do is let Boo talk.
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Jobless rate bolts to 8.5 percent, 663K jobs lost... They also said that it's a reason for hope and not panic. When the stock market goes up, it takes 4 to 12 mths. for jobs to catch up. They said that was how economic recovery happens. http://abcnews.go.com/Business/Economy/story?id=7246813&page=1 You are absolutely correct! The decline in the job market is still a reflection on the Bush Administrations performance. Actually I think if Bush was still running the show he would have had these problems fixed by now and America would be in much better shape then what Obama has done.Bush may have not been the best in public relations but he was a great business man. OH my, you are kidding right? |
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