It's totally impossible to try to show that evolution exist to a
believer in Creation. And visa versa. The argument will go on for ever.
If science could prove that evolution happened they(creationist will
only debunk it)That's their agenda. No different from the communists
willing to admit that capitalism was always the way to go.

Ghost

Capitalism only works when the merchants do not place greed above
community.

Once greed becomes the major factor in the equation capitalism becomes
as a withered vine and dies from the roots up.

Have you people ever heard of DNA?

It's totally impossible to try to show that evolution exist to a
believer in Creation. And visa versa. The argument will go on for ever.
If science could prove that evolution happened they(creationist will
only debunk it)That's their agenda. No different from the communists
willing to admit that capitalism was always the way to go.

Ghost, that's absolute bull****.

I'm a Christian who believes God created man (Adam being the first man)
BUT I also believe in evolution of species. I don't believe we came from
apes. I believe that science cannot/does not exist without God, nor does
anything else. So, to me, anything that "science" proves is simply
further proof of the existence of God.

Stop generalizing, though. It's not fair.

Leviathan

Isaiah 27:1: "In that day the Lord with his sore and great and strong
sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that
crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea."
Psalms 74:14: "Thou didst crush the heads of the Leviathan, thou didst
give him for food to the creatures of the desert." NIV
Psalms 104:25,26: "O Lord, how manifold thy works, in wisdom you have
created them all. So is this great and wide sea... there go the ships
and the Leviathan which you have created to play therein" (AV);
Book of Job 3:8 "May those who curse days curse that day, those who are
ready to rouse Leviathan ";NIV
Book of Job 41:1-34: "Can you draw out a Leviathan with a hook or press
down its tongue with a cord? Canst thou put a hook into his nose? or
bore his jaw through with a bridle ring? Will he make many supplications
to thee? Will he speak soft words to thee? Will he make a covenant with
thee? To take him for thy servant forever? Will thou play with him as
with a bird? Or wilt thou bind him for thy girls? Will the tradesmen
heap up payment for him?... Lay thy hand upon him, thou will no more
think of fighting. Behold the hope of him is in vain, shall not one be
cast down even at the sight of him? None is so fierce that dare stir him
up: who then is able to stand before me?...Who can open the doors of his
face? His teeth are terrible round about. His scales are his pride, shut
up together as with a close seal. One is near to the another, that no
air can come between them. They are joined one to another, they stick
together, that they cannot be sundered. By his [sneezing] a light doth
shine, and his eyes are like the eyelids of morning. Out of his mouth go
burning lamps, and sparks of fire leap out. Out of his nostrils goeth
smoke, as out of a seething pot or caldron. His breath kindleth coals,
and a flame goeth out of his mouth....His heart is as firm as a stone;
yea, as hard as a piece of the nether millstone....He esteemeth iron as
straw, and brass as rotten wood. The arrow cannot make him flee:
slingstones are turned with him into stubble....He maketh the deep to
boil like a pot....he is a king over all the children of pride."

In the Talmud, the Leviathan is mentioned a number of times:

Avoda Zara (3b): "Rav Yehuda says, there are twelve hours in a day. The
first three hours God sits and learns the Torah, the second three hours
he sits and judges the world. The third three hours God feeds the entire
world... the fourth three hour period God plays with the Leviathan as it
is written: "the Leviathan which you have created to play with".
Moed Katan (25b): "Rav Ashi said to Bar Kipok: what will be said at my
funeral? He answered: "If a flame can fall a cedar, what hope does a
small tree have? If a Leviathan can be hooked and hauled to land, what
hope has a fish in a puddle?"

Leviathan also appears in the Apocryphal Book of Enoch, giving the
following description of this monster's origins there mentioned as being
female, as opposed to the male Behemoth:

And that day will two monsters be parted, one monster, a female named
Leviathan in order to dwell in the abyss of the ocean over the fountains
of water; and (the other), a male called Behemoth, which holds his chest
in an invisible desert whose name is Dundayin, east of the garden of
Eden. - 1 Enoch 60:7-8

Other theories, often cited by cryptozoology and creation science, is
that Leviathan was an aquatic reptile, such as a Plesiosaurus, or a
member of the Hadrosaur family - specifically the Parasaurolophus. The
theory about the Parasaurolophus is intriguing and different than others
presented because it attempts to explain the Biblical prose regarding
fire-breath. Essentially, the idea is that through a chemical reaction
similar to the one that occurs in the Bombardier beetle, a
Parasaurolphus combines elements located in different parts of its crest
to create a combustible gas.[1] However, the theory fails to take two
crucial points into account in that the heated compounds would have
scorched and severely injured the throat and nasal passages of
Parasaurolophus, and that the skulls of Parasaurolophus have no
suggestion of having glands that could produce heated compounds in the
first place.

An oldie but goodie. I'm leaving for a few days, thought I'd leave a remnant of the past behind me.

for Jess

Hmmmm.... I remember staying out of this one...

Seems we haven't evolved much since May. Same ol' same ol'.

Have a great holiday, Di! Boy, this is an old thread. Before my time.

lj

SpiderCMB said on Fri 05/04/07 07:24 PM


Quoted for truth.

I love that line!



((( Jess )))

Life is a symbiotic relationship of a complex group of cells that formed separately( over time) but united for the good of the one.... Kinda like cilia in the lungs, parts that operate independantly but all work together.... Creative evolution maybe ehhhh?

WTF spider?! uve had this argument with me/abra/fanta/ n some others b4 u know what everyones responses r goin 2 b Were u perhaps checking to c if any of us had "seen the light"? or perhaps to check and c if any new members happend to b little brainwashed christian soldiers?

lizardking19,

If you read my post a few above your own, you will find out what this thread is about. This thread is very old and was created for a specific reason. I can only guess as to why Redy decided to resurrect this thread. I foolishly thought people would read my post and get my point, but it is much more fun for them to pretend my OP was serious.

eh whatever man i just saw the begining of the thread and didnt really want to get in on the argument as i already have b4

i suppose ur totally aware that many people r going to respond to a post like that

If i put up a post that says JESUS SUX! then obviously the people who dont agree with that r going 2 respond

Yup! Same 'ol same 'ol!

I believe in theistic evolution.

" The wheels on the bus go round and round.... round and round..."


"The debates in the threads go round and round....round and round..."

***Translated for the convenience of those not capable of understanding obtuse rhetoric***


Disclaimer....heaven forbid I go off topic.. so I find this thread has evolved, to nowhere.




Evolution could be seen as stupid....I'll ask the rocks and monkeys, they might know.