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The only way for them to leave is the same route they entered by, Kuwait, or through Jordan to the Med, the desert through Saudi Arabia, or through Turkey. Obama is trying to get permission from Turkey to move some through there, but Bush's policies have made them weary of that! it takes time to do this So how long will it take to make Iraq a formidable force that can defend itself.... Again why did we support Saddam all those years? We have a bad history of supporting the lesser evil and it biting us in the ass a decade later. Iraq cant control their own counrtry!!!! I think its time to get realistic about it. How much savings are we going to see pulling out 50,000 troops? Personel is the least expensive part of the whole thing!!! the anti-war groups do not research the actual costs of the war. They have no idea what a person costs compared to a missile. I fully agree that there is no exit strategy. That leaves two options: stay until they're stable (possibly for decades) or admit we lost. we have too much pride and political need to not do the second one so we're stuck with the first. Though I have to say this was not an ideal situation to begin with. The war was inevitable but it could have waited 5 more years. To me it was nothing more than a criminal act!!!!! And yes Obama voted for it too!!!!!!! Saddam violated the cease-fire. He had to be removed. That is the only justification for the war. It had to be done sooner or later. |
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Edited by
quiet_2008
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Sat 03/21/09 02:50 PM
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The war was inevitable but it could have waited 5 more years.
that part is probably true I think Iraq had to be done. Saddam violated every single term of the surrender/peace treaty he signed with us. He HAD to be taken down or else no treaty with America would ever be creditable again but it was crappy timing. The Iraq War was over in a couple of days and brilliantly executed. No other army in history has moved so much force across such a distance in as short a time. I was reading that it really freaked the Russians and Chinese out what we were capable of The rebuilding is what has been handled ineptly. I read an interview with Richard Sanchez and it is his opinion that the fatal flaw was in giving the rebuilding to the Defense Department when it was customarily the role of the State Department (blame Rummy for that one) and it detracted too much from Afghanistan at just the wrong time |
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The war was inevitable but it could have waited 5 more years.
that part is probably true I think Iraq had to be done. Saddam violated every single term of the surrender/peace treaty he signed with us. He HAD to be taken down or else no treaty with America would ever be creditable again but it was crappy timing. The Iraq War was over in a couple of days and brilliantly executed. No other army in history has moved so much force across such a distance in as short a time. I was reading that it really freaked the Russians and Chinese out what we were capable of The rebuilding is what has been handled ineptly. I read an interview with Richard Sanchez and it is his opinion that the fatal flaw was in giving the rebuilding to the Defense Department when it was customarily the role of the State Department (blame Rummy for that one) and it detracted too much from Afghanistan at just the wrong time not to mention the torture of his own people....we went into Kosovo for the same reason |
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Sat 03/21/09 02:56 PM
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The war was inevitable but it could have waited 5 more years.
that part is probably true I think Iraq had to be done. Saddam violated every single term of the surrender/peace treaty he signed with us. He HAD to be taken down or else no treaty with America would ever be creditable again but it was crappy timing. The Iraq War was over in a couple of days and brilliantly executed. No other army in history has moved so much force across such a distance in as short a time. I was reading that it really freaked the Russians and Chinese out what we were capable of The rebuilding is what has been handled ineptly. I read an interview with Richard Sanchez and it is his opinion that the fatal flaw was in giving the rebuilding to the Defense Department when it was customarily the role of the State Department (blame Rummy for that one) and it detracted too much from Afghanistan at just the wrong time By pulling troops and resources out of Afghanistan, we put our own troops at undo risk there! |
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The war was inevitable but it could have waited 5 more years.
that part is probably true I think Iraq had to be done. Saddam violated every single term of the surrender/peace treaty he signed with us. He HAD to be taken down or else no treaty with America would ever be creditable again but it was crappy timing. The Iraq War was over in a couple of days and brilliantly executed. No other army in history has moved so much force across such a distance in as short a time. I was reading that it really freaked the Russians and Chinese out what we were capable of The rebuilding is what has been handled ineptly. I read an interview with Richard Sanchez and it is his opinion that the fatal flaw was in giving the rebuilding to the Defense Department when it was customarily the role of the State Department (blame Rummy for that one) and it detracted too much from Afghanistan at just the wrong time By pulling troops and resources out of Afghanistan, we put our own troops at undo risk there! at the time Iraq had the fourth largest military in the world. and over 2000 Soviet T-72 tanks |
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The only way for them to leave is the same route they entered by, Kuwait, or through Jordan to the Med, the desert through Saudi Arabia, or through Turkey. Obama is trying to get permission from Turkey to move some through there, but Bush's policies have made them weary of that! Planes can only hold so many Tanks, trucks, etc. and they cant fly all the way home. It is possible but painfully slow and unfeasible. Well we do have other bases closer. Germany, for example where we could store everything until it can be arranged. If we really wanted, we could be out in a matter of weeks. They would not all be home by then, but we could be out. Who's Airspace do you plan on flying these tens-of-thousands of flights through? who is going to pay for all the fuel. |
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Edited by
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The war was inevitable but it could have waited 5 more years.
that part is probably true I think Iraq had to be done. Saddam violated every single term of the surrender/peace treaty he signed with us. He HAD to be taken down or else no treaty with America would ever be creditable again but it was crappy timing. The Iraq War was over in a couple of days and brilliantly executed. No other army in history has moved so much force across such a distance in as short a time. I was reading that it really freaked the Russians and Chinese out what we were capable of The rebuilding is what has been handled ineptly. I read an interview with Richard Sanchez and it is his opinion that the fatal flaw was in giving the rebuilding to the Defense Department when it was customarily the role of the State Department (blame Rummy for that one) and it detracted too much from Afghanistan at just the wrong time By pulling troops and resources out of Afghanistan, we put our own troops at undo risk there! at the time Iraq had the fourth largest military in the world. and over 2000 Soviet T-72 tanks |
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Edited by
quiet_2008
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Sat 03/21/09 03:06 PM
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The war was inevitable but it could have waited 5 more years.
that part is probably true I think Iraq had to be done. Saddam violated every single term of the surrender/peace treaty he signed with us. He HAD to be taken down or else no treaty with America would ever be creditable again but it was crappy timing. The Iraq War was over in a couple of days and brilliantly executed. No other army in history has moved so much force across such a distance in as short a time. I was reading that it really freaked the Russians and Chinese out what we were capable of The rebuilding is what has been handled ineptly. I read an interview with Richard Sanchez and it is his opinion that the fatal flaw was in giving the rebuilding to the Defense Department when it was customarily the role of the State Department (blame Rummy for that one) and it detracted too much from Afghanistan at just the wrong time By pulling troops and resources out of Afghanistan, we put our own troops at undo risk there! at the time Iraq had the fourth largest military in the world. and over 2000 Soviet T-72 tanks nope but they could attack Kuwait, Israel, Jordan, Turkey and a whole host of allies that depend on us for self defense. and he already showed that he WOULD attack them given the chance AND as has been stated. Iraq violated every single term of the cease fire/surrender. If we hadn't gone back and taken them out we would have never had any credibility again |
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The war was inevitable but it could have waited 5 more years.
that part is probably true I think Iraq had to be done. Saddam violated every single term of the surrender/peace treaty he signed with us. He HAD to be taken down or else no treaty with America would ever be creditable again but it was crappy timing. The Iraq War was over in a couple of days and brilliantly executed. No other army in history has moved so much force across such a distance in as short a time. I was reading that it really freaked the Russians and Chinese out what we were capable of The rebuilding is what has been handled ineptly. I read an interview with Richard Sanchez and it is his opinion that the fatal flaw was in giving the rebuilding to the Defense Department when it was customarily the role of the State Department (blame Rummy for that one) and it detracted too much from Afghanistan at just the wrong time By pulling troops and resources out of Afghanistan, we put our own troops at undo risk there! at the time Iraq had the fourth largest military in the world. and over 2000 Soviet T-72 tanks neither did Kosovo WASHINGTON (Army News Service, Jun. 26, 2008) -- The Iraqi army has grown by 60 percent in the last year, and stands now at nearly 180,000 soldiers. The army is also now training its own soldiers, and its effectiveness in combat has allowed it to concentrate more on improving logistics and supply chains. http://www.army.mil/-news/2008/06/26/10361-iraqi-army-shows-great-growth-in-year/ |
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Edited by
quiet_2008
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Sat 03/21/09 03:12 PM
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anyway
if folks wanna discuss geopolitics and things that are going on I would really love to but if all we wanna do is parrot the latest propaganda catch phrases from our favorite partisan blogs then I have other stuff to do I have no more interest or time for Obama bashing than I had for Bush bashing |
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The war was inevitable but it could have waited 5 more years.
that part is probably true I think Iraq had to be done. Saddam violated every single term of the surrender/peace treaty he signed with us. He HAD to be taken down or else no treaty with America would ever be creditable again but it was crappy timing. The Iraq War was over in a couple of days and brilliantly executed. No other army in history has moved so much force across such a distance in as short a time. I was reading that it really freaked the Russians and Chinese out what we were capable of The rebuilding is what has been handled ineptly. I read an interview with Richard Sanchez and it is his opinion that the fatal flaw was in giving the rebuilding to the Defense Department when it was customarily the role of the State Department (blame Rummy for that one) and it detracted too much from Afghanistan at just the wrong time By pulling troops and resources out of Afghanistan, we put our own troops at undo risk there! at the time Iraq had the fourth largest military in the world. and over 2000 Soviet T-72 tanks neither did Kosovo WASHINGTON (Army News Service, Jun. 26, 2008) -- The Iraqi army has grown by 60 percent in the last year, and stands now at nearly 180,000 soldiers. The army is also now training its own soldiers, and its effectiveness in combat has allowed it to concentrate more on improving logistics and supply chains. http://www.army.mil/-news/2008/06/26/10361-iraqi-army-shows-great-growth-in-year/ "neither did Kosovo" I agree. We can not police the whole planet!!!! "180,000 soldiers" What about the 2000 tanks, 100 plus migs...To have 180,000 strong army dosnt make you a formiable force. You can win a war on airpower alone just as you cant with a 180,000 strong army. |
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you cant win a gurella war with or without airpower. Also if Iran attacked we would have the air-power they needed in the Gulf. On Navy ships and in Afghanistan.
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there is ALWAYS one carrier battle group in the Persian Gulf. plus one in transit to the gulf and one in transit away from the gulf
there is ALWAYS a carrier battle group in the Med. Iran is well within their reach also. Plus a carrier battle group hovering around Japan (I think the Kitty Hawk right now) that would be about a week from Iran |
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you cant win a gurella war with or without airpower. Also if Iran attacked we would have the air-power they needed in the Gulf. On Navy ships and in Afghanistan. |
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The Iraq War was over in a couple of days and brilliantly executed. No other army in history has moved so much force across such a distance in as short a time. I was reading that it really freaked the Russians and Chinese out what we were capable of Yes. It was very impressive. Can you imagine being an Iraqi soldier and seeing that kind of force coming for you? |
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Edited by
quiet_2008
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Sat 03/21/09 03:29 PM
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you cant win a gurella war with or without airpower. Also if Iran attacked we would have the air-power they needed in the Gulf. On Navy ships and in Afghanistan. that is the mistake Rumsfeld made. That was why it took a couple years before we got any traction in Iraq. They were trying too hard to fight an antiseptic war with no casualties. then we had to take more casualties than we should have cause they let it get away from em. It wasn't till the second Fallujah offensive that we actually started winning |
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The Iraq War was over in a couple of days and brilliantly executed. No other army in history has moved so much force across such a distance in as short a time. I was reading that it really freaked the Russians and Chinese out what we were capable of Yes. It was very impressive. Can you imagine being an Iraqi soldier and seeing that kind of force coming for you? haha I talked to guys in original assault who said they were surrendering by the thousands and all they could do was wave to em as they drove by cause the offensive was moving so fast |
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you cant win a gurella war with or without airpower. Also if Iran attacked we would have the air-power they needed in the Gulf. On Navy ships and in Afghanistan. you cant win a gurella war with any conventional Army! |
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you cant win a gurella war with or without airpower. Also if Iran attacked we would have the air-power they needed in the Gulf. On Navy ships and in Afghanistan. you cant win a gurella war with any conventional Army! |
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the fighting what was left of the Iraqi Army was akin to a school yard bully beating up a kid!
we can't win...that's why we are pulling out |
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