Topic: Why I hate Star Trek!
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Thu 03/19/09 01:04 PM

laugh The security guys in the red shirts always got killedlaugh
drinks Captain Kirk was an ass kickin son ***** drinks

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Thu 03/19/09 01:05 PM


laugh The security guys in the red shirts always got killedlaugh
drinks Captain Kirk was an ass kickin son ***** drinks




He was the best!!!!!!!!!!

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Thu 03/19/09 01:11 PM



laugh The security guys in the red shirts always got killedlaugh
drinks Captain Kirk was an ass kickin son ***** drinks




He was the best!!!!!!!!!!





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Thu 03/19/09 01:14 PM




laugh The security guys in the red shirts always got killedlaugh
drinks Captain Kirk was an ass kickin son ***** drinks




He was the best!!!!!!!!!!









I think he only got like that once, some random green b!tch was playing hard to getlaugh laugh

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Thu 03/19/09 01:24 PM





laugh The security guys in the red shirts always got killedlaugh
drinks Captain Kirk was an ass kickin son ***** drinks




He was the best!!!!!!!!!!









I think he only got like that once, some random green b!tch was playing hard to getlaugh laugh


Not likely. The Orion females were the masters, while the males were the slaves. The Orion women were very animalistic in nature, known for their extreme carnal appetites and their innate skill of seduction.

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Thu 03/19/09 01:25 PM
I hated the original star trek, i saw it as a show about the captain getting lucky with all sorts of women and taking his shirt off or getting his shirt ripped off alot.

I like tng and voyager, didnt like ds9 or enterprise.

As for security personel, they had security teams and officers...for tng is started with lt tasha yar then worf, in voyager it was tuvok, so they did in fact have armed guards.

As for the borg, kirk more than likely would have been assimilated by them as the borg ships will eventually become immune to the ships fire. Besides if they had totally destroyed the borg janeway wouldnt have had the enemy to face.

I keep hoping they'll make a voyager movie based on Janeway having a final standoff against the borg.

now mind you im not a trekkie lol I just happen to like watching 2 of the star trek series.

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Thu 03/19/09 01:39 PM

laugh The security guys in the red shirts always got killedlaugh


actually, i watched the first episode (The Man Trap) of the original Star Trek a couple days ago and it was blue & yellow shirts that were getting killed. LOL! oh yeah, and the guys in the greenish jumpsuits as well. i guess they moved on to red later in the series.

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Thu 03/19/09 01:54 PM


laugh The security guys in the red shirts always got killedlaugh


actually, i watched the first episode (The Man Trap) of the original Star Trek a couple days ago and it was blue & yellow shirts that were getting killed. LOL! oh yeah, and the guys in the greenish jumpsuits as well. i guess they moved on to red later in the series.


Yes, four episodes later ("What Are Little Girls Made Of?") is when the "redshirts" became the expendable crew members.

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Thu 03/19/09 02:10 PM
BEAM ME UP SCOTTY...........BUT CAN HE FIX A TRACTOR...........

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Fri 03/20/09 06:14 PM
Edited by Blaze1978 on Fri 03/20/09 06:29 PM

Well, I threatened everyone I would do this and so I am finally doing it.

Now OLD Trek with James "SHOOT FIRST" Kirk was camp but it had class. In its day it was new ground for TV. It was done on a tight budget and the effects were minimalistic but it had heart.

Then came Next Generation. This is where Trek Hell begins!

Trek overall:
First and foremost the ships defy what real star ship design would be like.
1. standing stations. All crewmen are standing except the captain. What is wrong with this?
IN reality every crewman would be seated and strapped in in cast something affected the artificial gravity and would keep crewmen from getting slammed into the bulkheads of the bridge every time the ship made hard turns or maneuvers.
2. Likewise it would be a requirement of all bridge and engineering crew to wear pressure suits on station in case there was a hull breach which would kill everyone at station rendering the ship useless without crew to control it even if there was no air in the bridge. When your technology fails unless you have taken precautions your crew will die! Space is nothing like living on earth and gravity is not the only thing space travel lacks.
3. The bridge layout makes no sense as well. Looks good in Hollywood but is an insane waste of space. Star ships would be made to make as much use of space as they can get meaning a star ship would have a lot more in common with a nuclear sub than a cruise liner.
4. No armed guards, soldiers, or Marines. All modern ships of war or military vessels have armed crewmen at stations and on ships armed with WMD (IE Nuclear subs of the modern age) they have armed soldiers on board and on a star ship they too would be in battle armor on station. In Trek you put them in a red uniform and hand them a tiny cell phone and they are instantly "armed guards." (Red meant you were dead meat in a Trek Episode.)
5. A blatant lack of space suits and battle suits for the soldiers.
6. A blatant lack of practical weaponry. Gene Roddenberry was a total pacifist and didn't want "his" dreams to include "Guns" so the phasers looked like cell phones.
7. A lack of ship board defenses including beam weapons dropping from panels to shoot at boarders.


The Ships Design:
1. Now think of this, it takes HORRENDOUS power to push a ship through space at any real speed. Why is it that the main drive system of the ships are held to the rest of the ship through a single slender pylon? the first time you power the ship up to really go your engines would shear off the sides of the ship leaving you behind. OH, WAIT! If that happened in Trek your ship immediately goes BOOM!
2. Lack of redundancy and backup systems. ALL Modern aircraft have two of everything. Granted this is not a fix all but how many times has the Enterprise itself been left vulnerable with the shields going down and no backup system or backup power supply other than "Emergency power?"
3. With their technology why is there such a lack of automation and ROBOTICS? They have to send men to every planet they meet and yet they never send robot probes first sparing lives should something on the planet go wonkey!

The Politics:
Gene Roddenberry, you were a sick monster! The Federation of Planets is nothing more than the UN in space.

That and their "non interference" policies were hypocritical in the least. They did their share of interference.

Socially speaking:
Half Human Half Vulcans? PLEASE! I will not go too deep into this one except to say Genetic compatibility is none existent here because of Copper based physiology and Iron based physiology does to allow for half breeds! Also more often than not other species would "keep it to themselves." Granted humans will stick it in anything that will let them BUT likewise other species will have different sexual practices and some of them could be very hazardous to humans as well as the VD they may have or we may give them starting a plague! This isn't to say that inter species sexual activity is not possible but watch Babylon 5 and you will get an idea of how off base it can be. You can't hump a dog and male Werewolves. So all of these Trek Hybrids? Come on!


NOW FOR THE SERIES!

original Trek:

Outside of the technical arguments I present I do admit it was CAMP. I had no real complaints for Trek UNTIL...

Next Generation AKA The Forehead of the Week Club:

Captain Piccard: Captain Conehead was an asexual twerp who was too wrapped up in his diplomatic dogma to have the grapes to blast at an enemy who needed to get nailed like the Borg. He manages to damage the first ship he had to duke it out with and he flees instead of pouring everything he had on until the ship was blasted into space junk. He was not a competent star ship captain. Kirk would have left the first Borg ship nothing but atoms floating in space.
Riker: That clown fell in love with every new alien that came along every episode. He was supposed to be the ship's Stud Muffin making up for Piccard being a wussy.
Q: All that power and he had no life. Get a life Q! He had to play with humanity like he was some sort of "Super Prankster."
The Aliens: Every week it was a new alien and all of them save TWO species were nothing more than a pat of latex on the actor's forehead making a new species.

Deep Space Nine:

Palestine in Space. Oh those poor down trodden Bjorans. All those terrorist attacks of theirs. I wanted to kick Gaul Dukats ass and make him blast the Bjoran home world to atoms! I'm sure the Cardacians would have appreciated my views and would have gladly wipes out the Bjorans at my behest with glee!

The Shape Shifters:
For all of their gifts they were so overly paranoid and tried to be the ultimate puppet masters. For all their power they could have entered into diplomacy with the Federation and not gotten into a armed conflict with the Federation but hey, it does not make good stories without conflict. By all rights they should have been far more effective fighters and spies rather than depending on lesser species to do their dirty work.

Voyager:
Captain Janeway was about as incompetent as they got. She could have planted a bomb on the space station, used it to get home, and blew it up after they were home but NO, she has to leave them all stranded on the other side of the galaxy! That and many of the stories and concepts were lame. If the Voyager would have appeared in a fluid universe they would not have been able to do squat not to mention the pressure of the fluid universe would have more than likely crushed the hull of the ship. First and foremost, the ruses of existence in a fluid universe would be SO different the ship's drive system would not have been able to move them around at all.


This is just a start as to why I hate Star Trek with a passion. Star Wars was better, Babylon 5 was better, Firefly/ Serenity was better, and even Space 1999 was better and that one had plot holes big enough to consume 18 wheel tractor trailers! It is matter of consistency in story and Trek Lacks that in spades! That and space is a lot colder and crueler than people want to believe.

Imagine what hell would be like for the Trek set if the Alien from the movie Alien got on board! Piccard would try to negotiate with them. Do you think the Aliens would be interested in hearing what he ad to say? Maybe just enough before they fed his ass to a face clutcher!

Yes I hate Star Trek! The Genera reached too far and fell off the edge of the flat world of my interest.





I could poke holes in a myriad of your ideas. However, in the interests of saving time, and not spending too much time arguing Trek consistency, I have chosen to focus on a few points that jump out at me.

1. You make a good point as far as ship designs and schematics go. However, how many sci-fi series really take into account all aspects of space in terms of ship design? A common occurrence in all sci-fi is to exaggerate the effects of explosive decompression. Do people's eyeballs really pop out of their heads when they're exposed to deep space? No, the pressure of the ocean is several times superior to that of space. But if it makes for a good story, who cares what facts are ripped to shreds. One thing that thankfully isn't neccessary is for writers to have degrees in rocket science. If that ever changes, I think I might have to find another line of work.

2. Picard's penchant for diplomacy is one of the most overexaggeratd aspects of sci-fi. Truth be told, there were many occasions when he decreed that use of deadly force was necessary, but he always came to those decisions carefully. The ability to carefully judge every situation to decide what level of force is required is a crucial one for any command. Since you're stressing realism, I think that if any captain or commander went out into deep space to challenge the unknown perils with Kirk's attitude, said Captain would get his ass kicked in short order. And for the record, I never recall Picard openly negotiating with the Borg. In fact, it was during some of his encounters with the Borg that we saw how dangerous Picard could be when angry. In short, Picard's command was always based upon avoiding wars with the romulans and cardassians that would have cost the Federation thousands of lives. Many condemn him when compared to Kirk simply because his style of command was so different than Kirk's, and largely because the Next Generation was the series that followed the first Trek. Frankly, however, the fact that you support Kirk---a throwback to a more campy Trek, as you yourself say---largely deflates part of your argument.

3. The way the Shapeshifters operated was one of the most well-devised storylines in the history of Trek. They hated most other forms of life for legitimate reasons. They considered humans, klingons, etc (which they referred to as "solids") flawed and weak because they were confined to a single shape. They mistrusted solids because of the their past experiences with them. Reinforcing their hate was the humans mistrust of shapeshifters, whom many considered mysterious and duplicitous even before the war. With so many lives hanging in the balance, the shapeshifters were wise in choosing their plan: Rely on the races of the Dominion, many of whom had been developed and bred by the shapeshifters for thousands of years, and put them on the front lines. By avoiding sending shapeshifters into the battle, the shapeshifters were ensuring a minimum of shapeshifter casualties, increasing their people's chances of surviving the war. Since it was solids (the Jem Hadar, Cardassians and Breen) that were getting sent into the front lines to die, why would the shapeshifters care? All solids are mere pawns, tools by which to control the universe, at least from the perspective of the shifters.

A sidenote to 3. Since you're saying things should reflect reality, do you really believe that if we, as human beings, could develop a crude semi intelligent being from test tubes, that we would not send them to die on the front lines in our wars for as long as we could replenish the stock?

4. (and this is becoming longer than I initially intended, but relax, I'm almost done) There is no way you can criticize Star Trek while implying Star Wars does a better job of obeying the laws of natural reason. It does not. I could criticize Star Wars to no end, but I will be relatively brief, since I've been at this long enough. The Force? Are you kidding? Jedi knights extending their hands out to catch light sabers propelled through the air by unseen forces...and you criticize Trek for straying from rationale? Jedis jumping 25 feet in the air and performing other superhuman tasks? Are you serious?

What about that short blue winged creature who is Darth Vader's boss when he's a child? Would such a creature be capable of remaining aloft at all given the laws of aerodynamics? I'm no flight engineer, but I doubt it as much as I doubt a human child of the same size could hover 3 feet above ground if that human sprouted wings. If you're talking about design, the design of the pod racers is laughable. Are we to believe that two engines attached to a driver's compartment with nothing more than cables would go anywhere at all, let alone withstand the speeds and tensions of a race? What about Storm Troopers during the early movies? They're supposedly bad-ass, well trained, equipped with white armor, but at the start of every battle, 50 of them run out into the open and get picked off by the first shot that hits them.

Obi-Wan Kenobi disappearing when Darth Vader kills him? As far as I know, no one else was ever vaporized by a lightsaber (except for his clothes, mind you). How does this obey rational thought or science?

Luke Skywalker getting his hand cut off in a fight with Vader in one of the initial movies, exposing wires and circuits underneath? WTF? So, he's like human, but he's a robot underneath? Was this ever explained?

None of these are reasons to hate Star Wars, mind you. And I don't hate Star Wars. This is just a healthy reminder that one can (and damn well should) write science fiction without consulting a pile of scientific journals to "make sure they get it right."

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Fri 03/20/09 06:37 PM
I should add that if the universe ever birthed a creature as stupid as Jar Jar Binks, said universe would immediately collapse inward to eliminate the chance for such a creature to reproduce.

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Sat 03/21/09 12:37 PM
happy Lil light spoof on the spoof:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dz2vxtCWsfY&feature=related

Yeah, TOO bad to be good!

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Sat 03/21/09 02:20 PM

I should add that if the universe ever birthed a creature as stupid as Jar Jar Binks, said universe would immediately collapse inward to eliminate the chance for such a creature to reproduce.



How about a video game called "Kill the Gungan?"

Now that would be as fun as playing "Slap A Mime!"

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Sat 03/21/09 05:23 PM

Yes I hate Star Trek! The Genera reached too far and fell off the edge of the flat world of my interest.


Allow me:
1. It's not the artificial gravity that keeps people from slamming into walls, it's the inertial dampeners.
2. Hull breaches trigger force-fields. Like in ST: Nemesis.
3. It depends on the ship. The Defiant is a tight fighter design. The Enterprise-D even has civilians aboard.
4. That is because Starfleet isn't simply a military organisation. It is also the scientific and diplomatic arm of the Federation. And if military were required, it would be stationed. Like the MACOs in Enterprise during that long mission to find the Xindi.
5. Again, not soldiers.
6. A phaser is far more practical than a gun. The idea isn't to scare your enemy into submission.
7. That might be pointlessly expensive, actually.

The Ship:
1. You're thinking in terms of Newtonian mechanics. Not relevant.
2. All Starfleet systems have double-redundancies. Chief O'Brien mentions it to an alien engineer in DS9.
3. That would just make a terribly interesting show, eh?

TNG:
I do not doubt Kirk would have been just stupid enough to rush headlong into a Borg cube. Picard is the right captain for a mature superpower.

DS9:
You clearly missed the entire point of Trek. The idea isn't to go killing everything that moves. Yes, the Bajorans were a colonised society, and they resented it. Who wouldn't?

If you don't want a sanitised future where all is hale and cute, then you should like DS9. Or is your idea of reality limited to indiscriminate violence?

Hybrids:
Assisted by medical technology. Tucker and T'Pol's baby sure needed it.

PS. Star Trek is not a genre. Science fiction is a genre. Star Trek is a series, and it will always have both science and fiction.

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Sat 03/21/09 05:28 PM

Luke Skywalker getting his hand cut off in a fight with Vader in one of the initial movies, exposing wires and circuits underneath?


In all fairness, it was. It was lost during Luke's duel with Darth Vader in the Cloud City.

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Sat 03/21/09 05:31 PM
Edited by Blaze1978 on Sat 03/21/09 05:36 PM


Luke Skywalker getting his hand cut off in a fight with Vader in one of the initial movies, exposing wires and circuits underneath?


In all fairness, it was. It was lost during Luke's duel with Darth Vader in the Cloud City.


But why was he a robot underneath?

Granted, I'm drawing from some really old memories here (haven't seen Empire Strikes Back since I was a wee lad), but I seem to recall the hand was severed in an encounter with Vader and was wires underneath, then was remarkably replaced with a new hand after the Cloud City battle.

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Sat 03/21/09 05:36 PM

But why was he a robot underneath?


It's a prosthetic.

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Sat 03/21/09 05:38 PM


But why was he a robot underneath?


It's a prosthetic.


The hand that was replaced was a prosthetic, not his robot arm, or am I missing something?

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Sat 03/21/09 05:57 PM
I like most of the Star Trek shows
Not too crazy about Enterprise, but will watch it if nothing else is on TV...

The books are great.
I would love to see Vendetta and Imzadi made into films...
especially Vendetta, it was one helluva book!

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Sat 03/21/09 06:13 PM