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Topic: Why I hate Star Trek!
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Thu 03/19/09 10:20 AM
Edited by AndyBgood on Thu 03/19/09 10:21 AM
Well, I threatened everyone I would do this and so I am finally doing it.

Now OLD Trek with James "SHOOT FIRST" Kirk was camp but it had class. In its day it was new ground for TV. It was done on a tight budget and the effects were minimalistic but it had heart.

Then came Next Generation. This is where Trek Hell begins!

Trek overall:
First and foremost the ships defy what real star ship design would be like.
1. standing stations. All crewmen are standing except the captain. What is wrong with this?
IN reality every crewman would be seated and strapped in in cast something affected the artificial gravity and would keep crewmen from getting slammed into the bulkheads of the bridge every time the ship made hard turns or maneuvers.
2. Likewise it would be a requirement of all bridge and engineering crew to wear pressure suits on station in case there was a hull breach which would kill everyone at station rendering the ship useless without crew to control it even if there was no air in the bridge. When your technology fails unless you have taken precautions your crew will die! Space is nothing like living on earth and gravity is not the only thing space travel lacks.
3. The bridge layout makes no sense as well. Looks good in Hollywood but is an insane waste of space. Star ships would be made to make as much use of space as they can get meaning a star ship would have a lot more in common with a nuclear sub than a cruise liner.
4. No armed guards, soldiers, or Marines. All modern ships of war or military vessels have armed crewmen at stations and on ships armed with WMD (IE Nuclear subs of the modern age) they have armed soldiers on board and on a star ship they too would be in battle armor on station. In Trek you put them in a red uniform and hand them a tiny cell phone and they are instantly "armed guards." (Red meant you were dead meat in a Trek Episode.)
5. A blatant lack of space suits and battle suits for the soldiers.
6. A blatant lack of practical weaponry. Gene Roddenberry was a total pacifist and didn't want "his" dreams to include "Guns" so the phasers looked like cell phones.
7. A lack of ship board defenses including beam weapons dropping from panels to shoot at boarders.


The Ships Design:
1. Now think of this, it takes HORRENDOUS power to push a ship through space at any real speed. Why is it that the main drive system of the ships are held to the rest of the ship through a single slender pylon? the first time you power the ship up to really go your engines would shear off the sides of the ship leaving you behind. OH, WAIT! If that happened in Trek your ship immediately goes BOOM!
2. Lack of redundancy and backup systems. ALL Modern aircraft have two of everything. Granted this is not a fix all but how many times has the Enterprise itself been left vulnerable with the shields going down and no backup system or backup power supply other than "Emergency power?"
3. With their technology why is there such a lack of automation and ROBOTICS? They have to send men to every planet they meet and yet they never send robot probes first sparing lives should something on the planet go wonkey!

The Politics:
Gene Roddenberry, you were a sick monster! The Federation of Planets is nothing more than the UN in space.

That and their "non interference" policies were hypocritical in the least. They did their share of interference.

Socially speaking:
Half Human Half Vulcans? PLEASE! I will not go too deep into this one except to say Genetic compatibility is none existent here because of Copper based physiology and Iron based physiology does to allow for half breeds! Also more often than not other species would "keep it to themselves." Granted humans will stick it in anything that will let them BUT likewise other species will have different sexual practices and some of them could be very hazardous to humans as well as the VD they may have or we may give them starting a plague! This isn't to say that inter species sexual activity is not possible but watch Babylon 5 and you will get an idea of how off base it can be. You can't hump a dog and male Werewolves. So all of these Trek Hybrids? Come on!


NOW FOR THE SERIES!

original Trek:

Outside of the technical arguments I present I do admit it was CAMP. I had no real complaints for Trek UNTIL...

Next Generation AKA The Forehead of the Week Club:

Captain Piccard: Captain Conehead was an asexual twerp who was too wrapped up in his diplomatic dogma to have the grapes to blast at an enemy who needed to get nailed like the Borg. He manages to damage the first ship he had to duke it out with and he flees instead of pouring everything he had on until the ship was blasted into space junk. He was not a competent star ship captain. Kirk would have left the first Borg ship nothing but atoms floating in space.
Riker: That clown fell in love with every new alien that came along every episode. He was supposed to be the ship's Stud Muffin making up for Piccard being a wussy.
Q: All that power and he had no life. Get a life Q! He had to play with humanity like he was some sort of "Super Prankster."
The Aliens: Every week it was a new alien and all of them save TWO species were nothing more than a pat of latex on the actor's forehead making a new species.

Deep Space Nine:

Palestine in Space. Oh those poor down trodden Bjorans. All those terrorist attacks of theirs. I wanted to kick Gaul Dukats ass and make him blast the Bjoran home world to atoms! I'm sure the Cardacians would have appreciated my views and would have gladly wipes out the Bjorans at my behest with glee!

The Shape Shifters:
For all of their gifts they were so overly paranoid and tried to be the ultimate puppet masters. For all their power they could have entered into diplomacy with the Federation and not gotten into a armed conflict with the Federation but hey, it does not make good stories without conflict. By all rights they should have been far more effective fighters and spies rather than depending on lesser species to do their dirty work.

Voyager:
Captain Janeway was about as incompetent as they got. She could have planted a bomb on the space station, used it to get home, and blew it up after they were home but NO, she has to leave them all stranded on the other side of the galaxy! That and many of the stories and concepts were lame. If the Voyager would have appeared in a fluid universe they would not have been able to do squat not to mention the pressure of the fluid universe would have more than likely crushed the hull of the ship. First and foremost, the ruses of existence in a fluid universe would be SO different the ship's drive system would not have been able to move them around at all.


This is just a start as to why I hate Star Trek with a passion. Star Wars was better, Babylon 5 was better, Firefly/ Serenity was better, and even Space 1999 was better and that one had plot holes big enough to consume 18 wheel tractor trailers! It is matter of consistency in story and Trek Lacks that in spades! That and space is a lot colder and crueler than people want to believe.

Imagine what hell would be like for the Trek set if the Alien from the movie Alien got on board! Piccard would try to negotiate with them. Do you think the Aliens would be interested in hearing what he ad to say? Maybe just enough before they fed his ass to a face clutcher!

Yes I hate Star Trek! The Genera reached too far and fell off the edge of the flat world of my interest.



tanyaann's photo
Thu 03/19/09 10:25 AM
tears but but but what if I just like to watch it tears I don't care if it could never be real tears

MirrorMirror's photo
Thu 03/19/09 10:32 AM

Well, I threatened everyone I would do this and so I am finally doing it.

Now OLD Trek with James "SHOOT FIRST" Kirk was camp but it had class. In its day it was new ground for TV. It was done on a tight budget and the effects were minimalistic but it had heart.

Then came Next Generation. This is where Trek Hell begins!

Trek overall:
First and foremost the ships defy what real star ship design would be like.
1. standing stations. All crewmen are standing except the captain. What is wrong with this?
IN reality every crewman would be seated and strapped in in cast something affected the artificial gravity and would keep crewmen from getting slammed into the bulkheads of the bridge every time the ship made hard turns or maneuvers.
2. Likewise it would be a requirement of all bridge and engineering crew to wear pressure suits on station in case there was a hull breach which would kill everyone at station rendering the ship useless without crew to control it even if there was no air in the bridge. When your technology fails unless you have taken precautions your crew will die! Space is nothing like living on earth and gravity is not the only thing space travel lacks.
3. The bridge layout makes no sense as well. Looks good in Hollywood but is an insane waste of space. Star ships would be made to make as much use of space as they can get meaning a star ship would have a lot more in common with a nuclear sub than a cruise liner.
4. No armed guards, soldiers, or Marines. All modern ships of war or military vessels have armed crewmen at stations and on ships armed with WMD (IE Nuclear subs of the modern age) they have armed soldiers on board and on a star ship they too would be in battle armor on station. In Trek you put them in a red uniform and hand them a tiny cell phone and they are instantly "armed guards." (Red meant you were dead meat in a Trek Episode.)
5. A blatant lack of space suits and battle suits for the soldiers.
6. A blatant lack of practical weaponry. Gene Roddenberry was a total pacifist and didn't want "his" dreams to include "Guns" so the phasers looked like cell phones.
7. A lack of ship board defenses including beam weapons dropping from panels to shoot at boarders.


The Ships Design:
1. Now think of this, it takes HORRENDOUS power to push a ship through space at any real speed. Why is it that the main drive system of the ships are held to the rest of the ship through a single slender pylon? the first time you power the ship up to really go your engines would shear off the sides of the ship leaving you behind. OH, WAIT! If that happened in Trek your ship immediately goes BOOM!
2. Lack of redundancy and backup systems. ALL Modern aircraft have two of everything. Granted this is not a fix all but how many times has the Enterprise itself been left vulnerable with the shields going down and no backup system or backup power supply other than "Emergency power?"
3. With their technology why is there such a lack of automation and ROBOTICS? They have to send men to every planet they meet and yet they never send robot probes first sparing lives should something on the planet go wonkey!

The Politics:
Gene Roddenberry, you were a sick monster! The Federation of Planets is nothing more than the UN in space.

That and their "non interference" policies were hypocritical in the least. They did their share of interference.

Socially speaking:
Half Human Half Vulcans? PLEASE! I will not go too deep into this one except to say Genetic compatibility is none existent here because of Copper based physiology and Iron based physiology does to allow for half breeds! Also more often than not other species would "keep it to themselves." Granted humans will stick it in anything that will let them BUT likewise other species will have different sexual practices and some of them could be very hazardous to humans as well as the VD they may have or we may give them starting a plague! This isn't to say that inter species sexual activity is not possible but watch Babylon 5 and you will get an idea of how off base it can be. You can't hump a dog and male Werewolves. So all of these Trek Hybrids? Come on!


NOW FOR THE SERIES!

original Trek:

Outside of the technical arguments I present I do admit it was CAMP. I had no real complaints for Trek UNTIL...

Next Generation AKA The Forehead of the Week Club:

Captain Piccard: Captain Conehead was an asexual twerp who was too wrapped up in his diplomatic dogma to have the grapes to blast at an enemy who needed to get nailed like the Borg. He manages to damage the first ship he had to duke it out with and he flees instead of pouring everything he had on until the ship was blasted into space junk. He was not a competent star ship captain. Kirk would have left the first Borg ship nothing but atoms floating in space.
Riker: That clown fell in love with every new alien that came along every episode. He was supposed to be the ship's Stud Muffin making up for Piccard being a wussy.
Q: All that power and he had no life. Get a life Q! He had to play with humanity like he was some sort of "Super Prankster."
The Aliens: Every week it was a new alien and all of them save TWO species were nothing more than a pat of latex on the actor's forehead making a new species.

Deep Space Nine:

Palestine in Space. Oh those poor down trodden Bjorans. All those terrorist attacks of theirs. I wanted to kick Gaul Dukats ass and make him blast the Bjoran home world to atoms! I'm sure the Cardacians would have appreciated my views and would have gladly wipes out the Bjorans at my behest with glee!

The Shape Shifters:
For all of their gifts they were so overly paranoid and tried to be the ultimate puppet masters. For all their power they could have entered into diplomacy with the Federation and not gotten into a armed conflict with the Federation but hey, it does not make good stories without conflict. By all rights they should have been far more effective fighters and spies rather than depending on lesser species to do their dirty work.

Voyager:
Captain Janeway was about as incompetent as they got. She could have planted a bomb on the space station, used it to get home, and blew it up after they were home but NO, she has to leave them all stranded on the other side of the galaxy! That and many of the stories and concepts were lame. If the Voyager would have appeared in a fluid universe they would not have been able to do squat not to mention the pressure of the fluid universe would have more than likely crushed the hull of the ship. First and foremost, the ruses of existence in a fluid universe would be SO different the ship's drive system would not have been able to move them around at all.


This is just a start as to why I hate Star Trek with a passion. Star Wars was better, Babylon 5 was better, Firefly/ Serenity was better, and even Space 1999 was better and that one had plot holes big enough to consume 18 wheel tractor trailers! It is matter of consistency in story and Trek Lacks that in spades! That and space is a lot colder and crueler than people want to believe.

Imagine what hell would be like for the Trek set if the Alien from the movie Alien got on board! Piccard would try to negotiate with them. Do you think the Aliens would be interested in hearing what he ad to say? Maybe just enough before they fed his ass to a face clutcher!

Yes I hate Star Trek! The Genera reached too far and fell off the edge of the flat world of my interest.






bigsmile I think Battlestar Galactica is pretty cool.bigsmileThe new version.bigsmile

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Thu 03/19/09 10:33 AM
I hate Styar Track too! spock slaphead

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Thu 03/19/09 10:43 AM
now, i'm a very analytical person but even i would never try and analyze Star Trek. it's just entertainment, duh.

AndyBgood's photo
Thu 03/19/09 10:51 AM

now, i'm a very analytical person but even i would never try and analyze Star Trek. it's just entertainment, duh.


Obviously you have never attended a Science Fiction Convention!!!!

jester4666's photo
Thu 03/19/09 11:12 AM
actually i have and the fanatics are just too much. when i'm with friends we will MST3K whatever we are watching but we don't compare it with reality, just laugh.

TBRich's photo
Thu 03/19/09 11:21 AM
Someone has too much time on their hands.

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Thu 03/19/09 12:10 PM
MY TRACTOR CAN TAKE ON A WHOLE FLEET OF STARS SHIPS , PLUS KLINGONS. ROMULINS AND BORG.......THET ALL GET PLOWED UNDER.............

TBRich's photo
Thu 03/19/09 12:11 PM
I see that you still have Klingons on Uranus

tanyaann's photo
Thu 03/19/09 12:12 PM
rofl

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Thu 03/19/09 12:14 PM

I see that you still have Klingons on Uranus
THE TOILET PAPER GOT CAUGHT IN THE PTO.........

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Thu 03/19/09 12:27 PM
That's why I use a bidet

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Thu 03/19/09 12:29 PM

That's why I use a bidet
ITS A WATER POWER PHASER........rofl rofl rofl ill :thumbsup: winking

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Thu 03/19/09 12:31 PM

Someone has too much time on their hands.
WHO SINGS THAT SONG...............?????????

TBRich's photo
Thu 03/19/09 12:36 PM
Styx

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Thu 03/19/09 12:58 PM
Edited by Mr_Music on Thu 03/19/09 01:01 PM
I shall attempt to address some of the queries you're posing, as it seems you are misunderstanding certain details.

First of all, we need to "split hairs". The first Enterprise was the NX-01, under the command of Jonathon Archer. His father, Henry, and Zefram Cochrane invented warp drive, specifically allowing a ship to travel at Warp 5 (the fastest speed at that time), in the year 2119. Jonathon Archer began command of the NX-01 Enterprise in 2051.


Half Human Half Vulcans? PLEASE! I will not go too deep into this one except to say Genetic compatibility is none existent here because of Copper based physiology and Iron based physiology does to allow for half breeds! Also more often than not other species would "keep it to themselves." Granted humans will stick it in anything that will let them BUT likewise other species will have different sexual practices and some of them could be very hazardous to humans as well as the VD they may have or we may give them starting a plague! This isn't to say that inter species sexual activity is not possible but watch Babylon 5 and you will get an idea of how off base it can be. You can't hump a dog and male Werewolves. So all of these Trek Hybrids? Come on!


This cross-breeding allegedly acheived success by Enterprise chief medical doctor Phlox (a Denobulan), who successfully found a way to combine the genomes (DNA) of Commander T'Pol (a Vulcan) and Commander Charles "Trip" Tucker (a human), creating their son, Lorain (who, allegedly, eventually became captain of the Enterprise by 2154).

The Enterprise NCC-1701 didn't come along until almost 200 years later, in 2245. Originally commanded by Captain Robert April, he oversaw construction of NCC-1701's components and commanded her through her trial runs and first missions, being succeeded by Captain Christopher Pike, then Captain James Tiberius Kirk. It was during Pike's tenure that Science Officer (later First Officer) Spock was was first onboard. Spock was also a half-breed (his mother, Amanda, was human, while his father, Sarek, was Vulcan). Spock would become the longest serving officer aboard the Enterprise.

Between the original Enterprise (NX-01) commissioned in 2245 and the Enterprise-E (NCC-1701-E) decommissioned in the 2600's, there was many refits, decommissions, and new, much larger, ships being built to accomodate larger crews, and the crew compliment rose from originally 82 in personnel to well over 1,000. If you allow for the alternate timelines, there is also an Enterprise-J past that time.

There were seating stations on all Enterprise ships for all bridge personnel up to the time of the Enterprise-E (commanded by Captain Jean-Luc Picard). On that ship, there were seating compliments only for the captain, First Officer, counselor, helmsman, and navigator. Armed guards are not necessary on the bridge, as it's off-limits to all NCO's and civilians except by invitation. Since the bridge is the command post of the ship, it is heavily shielded against attack, making hull breach virtually impossible.

It would be safe to assume that by the 2200's, warp travel had already been designed to be used and not tear a ship apart.

The phaser pistol succeeded the normal sidearm pistol. Instead of shooting bullets, the phaser focused an energy discharge in the form of a beam. Introduced in 2051.

I don't want to go into too much detail here. Anything else you want to know, ask.

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Thu 03/19/09 01:01 PM
Wow, my head is exploding

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Thu 03/19/09 01:02 PM
laugh The security guys in the red shirts always got killedlaugh

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Thu 03/19/09 01:02 PM
:laughing:

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