Topic: the Obama Deception
Winx's photo
Mon 03/16/09 08:58 PM





OBAMA DECEPTION DIRECTOR ALEX JONES REACHES OUT TO OBAMA SUPPORTERS


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTMi8shnpLo


I've watched this two times. It's interesting. But..the big part where he loses me is when he talks about the Habeaus Corpus being gone and the military being against us.


I don't Know about Habeaus Corpus but I don't think Our Soldiers will Stand against the People! they Join to Defend the Country and their Countrymen and Women not the Government.


I agree. I know vets and worked for the VA. There's no way that they would go against the people.

SCOTUS won't let the Habeus Corpus disappear.

Dragoness's photo
Mon 03/16/09 08:58 PM







OBAMA DECEPTION DIRECTOR ALEX JONES REACHES OUT TO OBAMA SUPPORTERS


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTMi8shnpLo


He sounds like he's a conspiracy theorist to me.





Unfortunately all Conspiracies are Based on a Truth Somewheregrumble


Yea usually one fact blown up to be a whole story. I do not trust those conspiracies for the most part. The information is usually really one sided to a certain agenda.

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Mon 03/16/09 09:08 PM
Edited by Dragoness on Mon 03/16/09 09:10 PM


Alex Jones - How much money is he making with his t-shirts and dvds lately?

The man blends reality with myths so cleverly, that you go criticize any topic of his and he will shower you with facts.

Half truths are still a lie.

Never forget to ask - What's his purpose and what is he trying to achieve? You enter prisonplanet or infowars and you get showered by ads to buy dvd-s and t-shirts and to open an account to pre order stuff of buy previous of his videos.

Hysteria and fear sells.

Bush did the same thing with the terrorist threat (although with more realistic bases), now Alex Jones is making a killing by the hardcore believers who sleep/eat/drink conspiracy theories. Israel injects fear into the people by pushing the "Iranian threat" while the Anti Defamation League screamnig antisemitism and trying to scare the bejesus out of Jews in Europe and other parts of the world.

in USA the "muslim threat" puts a real target in everyone's eyes, and while there are extremists and fanatics in the Muslim world, it's also apparently true in the Christian and Jewish world.
Without having a fear, the public would not support wars and killing.



Economy crisis, Middle-East, secret societies, Freemasons, Bilderbergs, new world order, neocons, fascists, police state, amero, north American union, NAFTA, Obama, Bush, Clinton, Rockefeller, - all melted together into a giant mass of world conspiracy to enslave the planet and to put a chip inside your body (which is a mark of the beast), the end times and the fall of USA and the fall of the dollar and removing the Constitution. At the end, you will be a society of Borgs with a few people being as the collective and you will worship of the Antichrist.

Are you scared enough yet? Will you dare to step outside your house?

Alex Jones - with a serious background (radio host) will explain everything to you and why you should protest front of the Mariott hotel against the conspirators against humanity.

I know, now I'm probably "part of the plan" saying negative stuff about this, I might be a Bilderberg myself or a "watcher" a "man in black" trying to discredit this "american hero" and I probably show up on the Bohemian groove and wear the sign of the Freemasons.

Ohh, and I'm also a dual citizen, that makes my case even worse. I probably have an agenda to enslave the Americans.

pitchfork -- oouhhh there you go, I might be a demon worshipper government agent! devil

I'm just trying to help you here, really, discredit and critique the fanatics and those who take advantage of you. flowerforyou




Okay. I'll start with this first, seeing as how this is some sort of an attack on Jones. I've been listening to Jones for years and one of the first and most repeated thing he's told his listeners to do is: Do your own research. Which I have. I do not reproduce anything he's said without first checking the sources, then I bring that info to everyone else, because thats the second most repeated thing that Mr.Jones tells his listeners.

"You enter prisonplanet or infowars and you get showered by ads to buy dvd-s and t-shirts and to open an account to pre order stuff of buy previous of his videos."

First, this is a distortion of what Prisonplanet.com and infowars looks like. Does he have ads? Yep, but so does Mingle and just about any other website out there. Mr.Jones has a fairly high overhead, especially when he makes a movie at a cost of 100,000 dollars or more and then sees them all released for free to the net, before he can make 1/10 of the cost back. However, showered with ads and preorder accounts? Not hardly, unless you click on any of the links to products like Ecoloblue, Berkey water systems or Survalist seeds, will you actually see any ads asking for business and as for the order account, Mr. Jones is (gasp) a documentary film maker, would we be hearing about Micheal Moore, if he didn't advertise his Movies? As a sidenote, Mr. Jones also uses his website to disseminate others work as well, whether thats C.Edward Griffins "Creature from Jekyll Island" about the creation of the Federal Reserve or William Lewis' Movie "Washington You're fired", Jones uses the fact he has 10's of millions of listeners and visitors to his website to give those who tell the truth a platform to push their wares. When was the last time you heard FBN or CNBC talking about The Creature from Jekyll Island or airing an Advert for heirloom seeds that are GMO free? Thats right, Never.

I find it disturbing and distgusting that rather than debate the info Mr. Jones comes forward with, it's an attack on his character, which I've found to be pretty da*m impeccable, and a loose tossing around of the Conspiracy Theory slur.

To say that Alex is making a killing selling fear is just flat wrong, the man loses money hand over fist, seeing his films hit the web and what money he does make, he dumps right back into his business. While everyone else was/is contracting, Jones has been growing his business, building a studio to create a daily televison product, making his films, hiring more employees and producing the new Jason Bermas program, "The InfoWarrior". To say that Alex Jones is a workaholic is a gross understatement in my opinion and I find it irresponsible to paste the work he's done and the information and educational tools it provides with a carte blanche "he's in it for the money" and "Conspiracy Theorist" whitewashing.

Another irresponsible thing in that post is this:

"Economy crisis, Middle-East, secret societies, Freemasons, Bilderbergs, new world order, neocons, fascists, police state, amero, north American union, NAFTA, Obama, Bush, Clinton, Rockefeller, - all melted together into a giant mass of world conspiracy to enslave the planet and to put a chip inside your body (which is a mark of the beast), the end times and the fall of USA and the fall of the dollar and removing the Constitution."

Which one of these things is the much touted theory or scare mongering tactic, can you tell me which one of these things isn't real?

All the other stuff in there is just sarcastic fluff, which does nothing to further the fact that elements of this Government (and others as well) do produce disinfo.





Sorry you are offended for the man but I have to say, fear usually sells so if he is fearmongering it is probably to sell whatever he is selling.

Causing people to fear, as we saw for a great example with Bush, gives the fearmongerer great power over those who feel the fear. Add a warmongerer to that mix and it is an exact example of Bush. He made this country fear Saddam when he was not the perpetrator of 9/11 and committed mass murder for his own personal agenda.

Fearmongering is not a healthy way to address anything. Come at people with respect to the subject and less with the sky is falling and it will be more believable and more understandable. At least the thinkers will. If you have a follower they will just follow blindly without any study to it.

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Mon 03/16/09 10:03 PM

what exactly would it take to prove that this is happening? i want to know.



is there anyone here that can answer my question?


My qualifications: I am a conspiracy theorist myself. This should suffice.

I take a perfectly healthy bunny and give it a big syringe shot of gasoline. Then I let it run away. It runs 50 feet and dies.
What will it take me to prove, that the reason the bunny died was because he run out of gas?

It will take my research and my proof. The side that suggests that the bunny died of intoxication needs not to prove it's case. Why?

Because that side evokes Occam's Razor argument: "selecting the hypothesis that introduces the fewest assumptions and postulates the fewest entities". In other words, that side argues that the simplest explanation, that does not conflict the facts, is the truth.

This is not the end, however, because if I have a reason to believe, that the bunny dies precisely because it had run out of gasoline, I can put forth my hypothesis and propose where we could find the evidence. Finally, if the evidence is found where suggested, my hypothesis may be considered to be the truth.

What does this means for the Obama and the World Domination hypothesis? Well, unless the same method is exercised, and the evidence found where proposed, then the simplest explanation should do.

Winx's photo
Mon 03/16/09 11:28 PM
Leave that bunny alone.tears

catwoman96's photo
Mon 03/16/09 11:51 PM
Edited by catwoman96 on Mon 03/16/09 11:51 PM


what exactly would it take to prove that this is happening? i want to know.


is there anyone here that can answer my question?


I think, after all the lies and misleading things the government has done. and covered up.

one has to unlock the secrets...beyond a shadow of a doubt (which is probably impossible for the average joe america_

or wait for the inevitable.

warmachine's photo
Wed 03/18/09 05:17 AM



Alex Jones - How much money is he making with his t-shirts and dvds lately?

The man blends reality with myths so cleverly, that you go criticize any topic of his and he will shower you with facts.

Half truths are still a lie.

Never forget to ask - What's his purpose and what is he trying to achieve? You enter prisonplanet or infowars and you get showered by ads to buy dvd-s and t-shirts and to open an account to pre order stuff of buy previous of his videos.

Hysteria and fear sells.

Bush did the same thing with the terrorist threat (although with more realistic bases), now Alex Jones is making a killing by the hardcore believers who sleep/eat/drink conspiracy theories. Israel injects fear into the people by pushing the "Iranian threat" while the Anti Defamation League screamnig antisemitism and trying to scare the bejesus out of Jews in Europe and other parts of the world.

in USA the "muslim threat" puts a real target in everyone's eyes, and while there are extremists and fanatics in the Muslim world, it's also apparently true in the Christian and Jewish world.
Without having a fear, the public would not support wars and killing.



Economy crisis, Middle-East, secret societies, Freemasons, Bilderbergs, new world order, neocons, fascists, police state, amero, north American union, NAFTA, Obama, Bush, Clinton, Rockefeller, - all melted together into a giant mass of world conspiracy to enslave the planet and to put a chip inside your body (which is a mark of the beast), the end times and the fall of USA and the fall of the dollar and removing the Constitution. At the end, you will be a society of Borgs with a few people being as the collective and you will worship of the Antichrist.

Are you scared enough yet? Will you dare to step outside your house?

Alex Jones - with a serious background (radio host) will explain everything to you and why you should protest front of the Mariott hotel against the conspirators against humanity.

I know, now I'm probably "part of the plan" saying negative stuff about this, I might be a Bilderberg myself or a "watcher" a "man in black" trying to discredit this "american hero" and I probably show up on the Bohemian groove and wear the sign of the Freemasons.

Ohh, and I'm also a dual citizen, that makes my case even worse. I probably have an agenda to enslave the Americans.

pitchfork -- oouhhh there you go, I might be a demon worshipper government agent! devil

I'm just trying to help you here, really, discredit and critique the fanatics and those who take advantage of you. flowerforyou




Okay. I'll start with this first, seeing as how this is some sort of an attack on Jones. I've been listening to Jones for years and one of the first and most repeated thing he's told his listeners to do is: Do your own research. Which I have. I do not reproduce anything he's said without first checking the sources, then I bring that info to everyone else, because thats the second most repeated thing that Mr.Jones tells his listeners.

"You enter prisonplanet or infowars and you get showered by ads to buy dvd-s and t-shirts and to open an account to pre order stuff of buy previous of his videos."

First, this is a distortion of what Prisonplanet.com and infowars looks like. Does he have ads? Yep, but so does Mingle and just about any other website out there. Mr.Jones has a fairly high overhead, especially when he makes a movie at a cost of 100,000 dollars or more and then sees them all released for free to the net, before he can make 1/10 of the cost back. However, showered with ads and preorder accounts? Not hardly, unless you click on any of the links to products like Ecoloblue, Berkey water systems or Survalist seeds, will you actually see any ads asking for business and as for the order account, Mr. Jones is (gasp) a documentary film maker, would we be hearing about Micheal Moore, if he didn't advertise his Movies? As a sidenote, Mr. Jones also uses his website to disseminate others work as well, whether thats C.Edward Griffins "Creature from Jekyll Island" about the creation of the Federal Reserve or William Lewis' Movie "Washington You're fired", Jones uses the fact he has 10's of millions of listeners and visitors to his website to give those who tell the truth a platform to push their wares. When was the last time you heard FBN or CNBC talking about The Creature from Jekyll Island or airing an Advert for heirloom seeds that are GMO free? Thats right, Never.

I find it disturbing and distgusting that rather than debate the info Mr. Jones comes forward with, it's an attack on his character, which I've found to be pretty da*m impeccable, and a loose tossing around of the Conspiracy Theory slur.

To say that Alex is making a killing selling fear is just flat wrong, the man loses money hand over fist, seeing his films hit the web and what money he does make, he dumps right back into his business. While everyone else was/is contracting, Jones has been growing his business, building a studio to create a daily televison product, making his films, hiring more employees and producing the new Jason Bermas program, "The InfoWarrior". To say that Alex Jones is a workaholic is a gross understatement in my opinion and I find it irresponsible to paste the work he's done and the information and educational tools it provides with a carte blanche "he's in it for the money" and "Conspiracy Theorist" whitewashing.

Another irresponsible thing in that post is this:

"Economy crisis, Middle-East, secret societies, Freemasons, Bilderbergs, new world order, neocons, fascists, police state, amero, north American union, NAFTA, Obama, Bush, Clinton, Rockefeller, - all melted together into a giant mass of world conspiracy to enslave the planet and to put a chip inside your body (which is a mark of the beast), the end times and the fall of USA and the fall of the dollar and removing the Constitution."

Which one of these things is the much touted theory or scare mongering tactic, can you tell me which one of these things isn't real?

All the other stuff in there is just sarcastic fluff, which does nothing to further the fact that elements of this Government (and others as well) do produce disinfo.





Sorry you are offended for the man but I have to say, fear usually sells so if he is fearmongering it is probably to sell whatever he is selling.

Causing people to fear, as we saw for a great example with Bush, gives the fearmongerer great power over those who feel the fear. Add a warmongerer to that mix and it is an exact example of Bush. He made this country fear Saddam when he was not the perpetrator of 9/11 and committed mass murder for his own personal agenda.

Fearmongering is not a healthy way to address anything. Come at people with respect to the subject and less with the sky is falling and it will be more believable and more understandable. At least the thinkers will. If you have a follower they will just follow blindly without any study to it.


It has nothing to do with being offended for Mr. Jones, what I take issue with is when someone gets on a high horse when it comes to a topic that they obviously don't have any experience with. Mr.Jones doesn't sell fear, he sells truth. Unfortunately, sometimes the truth is scary.

I return to my point about Alex Jones. He sets forward the information he has and then provides the resources for each individual to do their own research.

Comparing Alex Jones to George Bush, now that leaves me insulted for the man. During Bush's time in office no one... let me repeat that, no one was more critical of the Bush administration than Mr. Jones.

Truth is scary and sometimes it hurts, but no matter what curtains you try to put on it, it's still the truth.


warmachine's photo
Wed 03/18/09 05:18 AM






OBAMA DECEPTION DIRECTOR ALEX JONES REACHES OUT TO OBAMA SUPPORTERS


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTMi8shnpLo


I've watched this two times. It's interesting. But..the big part where he loses me is when he talks about the Habeaus Corpus being gone and the military being against us.


I don't Know about Habeaus Corpus but I don't think Our Soldiers will Stand against the People! they Join to Defend the Country and their Countrymen and Women not the Government.


I agree. I know vets and worked for the VA. There's no way that they would go against the people.

SCOTUS won't let the Habeus Corpus disappear.


Tell that to Jose Padilla

warmachine's photo
Wed 03/18/09 05:35 AM
Edited by warmachine on Wed 03/18/09 05:37 AM


what exactly would it take to prove that this is happening? i want to know.



is there anyone here that can answer my question?


My qualifications: I am a conspiracy theorist myself. This should suffice.

I take a perfectly healthy bunny and give it a big syringe shot of gasoline. Then I let it run away. It runs 50 feet and dies.
What will it take me to prove, that the reason the bunny died was because he run out of gas?

It will take my research and my proof. The side that suggests that the bunny died of intoxication needs not to prove it's case. Why?

Because that side evokes Occam's Razor argument: "selecting the hypothesis that introduces the fewest assumptions and postulates the fewest entities". In other words, that side argues that the simplest explanation, that does not conflict the facts, is the truth.

This is not the end, however, because if I have a reason to believe, that the bunny dies precisely because it had run out of gasoline, I can put forth my hypothesis and propose where we could find the evidence. Finally, if the evidence is found where suggested, my hypothesis may be considered to be the truth.

What does this means for the Obama and the World Domination hypothesis? Well, unless the same method is exercised, and the evidence found where proposed, then the simplest explanation should do.


I don't necessarily find this analogy to be relevant. First, anyone with an IQ above 10 will be able to tell you that if you're injecting Bunnies with Gasoline, you're gonna kill them. To try and explain your massacre and torture of the bunnies, by way of poison, with a "bunny ran out of gas" theory, you'd look like a lying idiot to all but the most moronic and gullible.

Simple solution. If you're surrounded by people that call and work towards world government and admit it and if you yourself said " I want to work towards a World Order that we can all live in", plus your main mentors have been these "New World Order" cretans, or if Henry Kissinger said this about you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVzbsakajK8

(From 2:30 to 3:00 is when the magic words are being said.)

Then you're probably beholden to the Globalists.

I just don't get it, how is this one world order crap a Conspiracy theory when those shaping our planet politically and economically are calling for it right and left?


Do these Globalists have magic brainwashing powers or are there just that many people who'd rather stick their heads in the sand?

warmachine's photo
Thu 03/19/09 04:22 PM
A guide for viewers of "The Obama Deception" which includes links and further research about what's happening in America.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/13404412/The-Obama-Deception-Guide

MirrorMirror's photo
Thu 03/19/09 04:26 PM
flowerforyou Whats wrong with a World Government anyways? bigsmile Thats how it is in all the sci fi books and shows about the future? bigsmile Its probably inevitable.flowerforyou

warmachine's photo
Thu 03/19/09 04:31 PM
Look at the people running our country and other countries around the world... are these the people we want running a one world government?

I firmly believe alot of the sci fi and futurist programs are just conditioning, in fact, Dean Hoagland, who was a star of the X-files spin off "the lone gunmen" said in an interview that Cris Carter and the other writers would regularly entertain show ideas from Government agents, such as the CIA. Isn't interesting that one of the "lone gunmen" shows was the government flying planes into buildings as a pretext for wars and to control?

If we were run by angels, world government would be okay, but we're not run by angels, we've been coopted by people who revel in evil.




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Thu 03/19/09 04:33 PM
Edited by Drivinmenutz on Thu 03/19/09 04:34 PM
I find it interesting, how the film is about Obama's deception, yet they take the attention off him and place it on the people who actually have power.

At least the source isn't anti-democrat...

Anyways, the problem with a one world government, would be that the ruling elite would have absolute power. We would literally be slaves someday.

If the world NATURALLY evolved into such an state that would be one thing, but if wars were started, economies torn down, and civil rights were trampled on to achieve this goal one would logically have to question the motives of such a plan.

Oh well....we are but dust in the wind i suppose...

MirrorMirror's photo
Thu 03/19/09 04:40 PM
flowerforyou I understand what you are saying about there being a lot of unpleasant people in goverments around the world.flowerforyouBut what if it becomes possible to have a worldwide democratically elected society with transparency like on Star Trek and other future shows like that?flowerforyou Isnt it inevitable? flowerforyou Won't we eventually end up wiping ourselves out at some point in the future with some kind of WMD superweapon if we don't?flowerforyou

warmachine's photo
Thu 03/19/09 04:41 PM
Alex Jones Interviews Dean Haglund (X-Files)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a9KMg4zU-o



"The Lone Gunmen" TV Show Foreshadows 9/11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUKQz-xm0is&feature=related


warmachine's photo
Thu 03/19/09 04:44 PM

flowerforyou I understand what you are saying about there being a lot of unpleasant people in goverments around the world.flowerforyouBut what if it becomes possible to have a worldwide democratically elected society with transparency like on Star Trek and other future shows like that?flowerforyou Isnt it inevitable? flowerforyou Won't we eventually end up wiping ourselves out at some point in the future with some kind of WMD superweapon if we don't?flowerforyou



Utopia? Star Trek? Complete with their modified UN symbol? I don't think that is in our future, I think as long as we are busy bickering about nonissues like gay marriage, abortion, race, Limbaugh, Right/Left...

We're gonna get the New World Order plan, which is global domination and the irradication of 80% of humanity.

MirrorMirror's photo
Thu 03/19/09 04:47 PM


flowerforyou I understand what you are saying about there being a lot of unpleasant people in goverments around the world.flowerforyouBut what if it becomes possible to have a worldwide democratically elected society with transparency like on Star Trek and other future shows like that?flowerforyou Isnt it inevitable? flowerforyou Won't we eventually end up wiping ourselves out at some point in the future with some kind of WMD superweapon if we don't?flowerforyou



Utopia? Star Trek? Complete with their modified UN symbol? I don't think that is in our future, I think as long as we are busy bickering about nonissues like gay marriage, abortion, race, Limbaugh, Right/Left...

We're gonna get the New World Order plan, which is global domination and the irradication of 80% of humanity.
bigsmile Well, yes probably if we tried it now.drinker But I mean further in the future.:smile: Another 100-200 years. :smile: If we survive.:smile: We should have most of those issues worked out.bigsmile Howabout then?bigsmile

warmachine's photo
Thu 03/19/09 04:53 PM
I think you're either wanting or trying to bait me into saying that under conditions A,B and C, I would accept a rule by a world governmental system. You wanted to use the star trek analogy, okay, the One World system of the "federation" didn't stop war, didn't stop corruption, didn't stop one species trying to dominate another. It only expanded those ideas into the galaxy and beyond.

I won't have the option of "accepting" world government, because its being forced on us, even as we speak. So unless we can wake up enough people, so that our collective voice is loud enough to scare these madmen back under their rocks, then the only options I'll have is conform or die... and if you read the Globalists writings, it might be conform AND die.

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Thu 03/19/09 04:59 PM



We're gonna get the New World Order plan, which is global domination and the irradication of 80% of humanity.


And you truly believe that or do you have at least a little doubt?

warmachine's photo
Thu 03/19/09 05:09 PM
Why would I have a doubt, when they're doing everything else that they've proclaimed that they planned to do?

I ask, how many times can they call for Global Government, how many times can they move us towards it, before I'm no longer called a crackpot or people stop mocking and responding with sarcasm and start taking notice?

For Christs sake, Fox News is allowing Beck to cover this mess, I don't know if that means that they are trying to co-opt the Liberty movement, if they think it's too late and just don't care or if they figure Fox has discredited itself so much during the Bush puppet show that they can discredit the Liberty message by airing it on their channel, but It's out there.

My guess is it's probably a combination of all three.

In times of great deciet telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
~George Orwell.