I don't see where I implied that anybody was illegal in my post. My point was...that I was trying to ask the guy for work, and he couldnt understand me. I literally had to ask someone else. I'm sorry, but that's just not right.

yep, and people like my friend get screwed. the construction jobs in florida were already getting bad because of the illegals. they get out there and knock a job out in one day where it would normally take a week. because they would have 20 of em working together for 1/8 of the price it would normally have been. you can't compete against that.

And the quality sucks!!

Sure can and if it wasn't the illegals they would find some other way to do the work for cheaper. It is the employers fault for this not the illegals.

exactly, but no one knows until too late, then they are off and running to another town to make room for more in this one.

i'm sorry, but i'm not agreeing with your logic.

It's all about the money. The employer wants more money, which is the reason they're hiring people who are here illegally.

Why because it doesn't allow you a scapegoat? LOL that is okay. If there weren't any jobs for them here they would not come here. They cannot get welfare or foodstamps or medicaid. They cannot get anything from the federal government at all. So if the jobs were not here they would not come.

you think you know me so well don't you lol. actually, it's our own fault. if we didn't use the federal reserve notes, the so called dollar wouldn't be devalued by 96% in 96 years and goods and products wouldn't cost an arm and a leg due to adjusting for inflation. we wouldn't be going through this constant spiral to try to make more money to buy goods that decrease in size for the same amount of money. then we need a raise, the company has to make up for the money lost due to the raise. then we find we are back to the same point again. only now, the people who were making ok on $10 an hour just lost 2 dollars an hour in value because the minimum wage went from 6 to 8 dollars an hour. now the guy that made $10 an hour is suffering because of the rise in cost of products. so it's all of our faults. because we have a habit of burning ourselves out.

we want more more more.

Who am I to say? I just know from what I've read and the few illegals and legals that I know. I've read about how many of us don't want that kind of work. Why the attitude?

Okay. I'm learning here. I just know how the few that I know did it.
I didn't realize that so many were using the green card.

It's definitely not out of convenience. If they had jobs back home, they would rather be working back home and seeing their children grow up.

I can agree, greed is a problem. It is greed that makes the employers take advantage of the illegals instead of hiring legals.

I saw that when I was in the Sarasota/Bradenton area. St. Louis has it, too, especially in the roofing industry.

And..if they have a fake social security card, they are still paying into FICA and never get to see a penny of it.

If the dirty employers wouldn't hire them, they wouldn't be here.

not all the employers are "dirty". some are just trying to run a business and get the best help possible.

Got a little hormonal.
We are being told by the Feds to hunker down when there are ways to open up the market.
I agree the best solution would be to go after the Employer who hires them.
FYI, there has only been one major raid on an Employer of Illegals since Obama took office.

He promised during a speech to La Raza to get an Amnesty passed. If he don't, he will lose all Hispanic support. On some Hispanic websites, they are wondering if he was just blowing smoke for the vote. If he does get an Amnesty passed, he will have the vote of 12 to 18 million, for now, Illegals.

People are saying Amnesty won't happen. I say, very possible. On one side you have a majority who says,"Go Obama, he's our boi!", and on the other side they say,"We'll go along with it if you'll add some pork we want."

I take back "all".

If by hiring Illegals is trying to run a business or get the best help, they are dirty, and I'm 98% sure are committing a felony.

Yup, it's a Felony.
Federal Immigration and Nationality Act
Section 8 USC 1324(a)(1)(A)(iv)(b)(iii)

"Any person who . . . encourages or induces an alien to . . . reside . . . knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such . . . residence is . . . in violation of law, shall be punished as provided . . . for each alien in respect to whom such a violation occurs . . . fined under title 18 . . . imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both."

Section 274 felonies under the federal Immigration and Nationality Act, INA 274A(a)(1)(A):

A person (including a group of persons, business, organization, or local government) commits a federal felony when she or he:

* assists an alien s/he should reasonably know is illegally in the U.S. or who lacks employment authorization, by transporting, sheltering, or assisting him or her to obtain employment, or

* encourages that alien to remain in the U.S. by referring him or her to an employer or by acting as employer or agent for an employer in any way, or

* knowingly assists illegal aliens due to personal convictions.

Penalties upon conviction include criminal fines, imprisonment, and forfeiture of vehicles and real property used to commit the crime. Anyone employing or contracting with an illegal alien without verifying his or her work authorization status is guilty of a misdemeanor. Aliens and employers violating immigration laws are subject to arrest, detention, and seizure of their vehicles or property. In addition, individuals or entities who engage in racketeering enterprises that commit (or conspire to commit) immigration-related felonies are subject to private civil suits for treble damages and injunctive relief.

Recruitment and Employment of Illegal Aliens

It is unlawful to hire an alien, to recruit an alien, or to refer an alien for a fee, knowing the alien is unauthorized to work in the United States. It is equally unlawful to continue to employ an alien knowing that the alien is unauthorized to work. Employers may give preference in recruitment and hiring to a U.S. citizen over an alien with work authorization only where the U.S. citizen is equally or better qualified. It is unlawful to hire an individual for employment in the United States without complying with employment eligibility verification requirements. Requirements include examination of identity documents and completion of Form I-9 for every employee hired. Employers must retain all I-9s, and, with three days' advance notice, the forms must be made available for inspection. Employment includes any service or labor performed for any type of remuneration within the United States, with the exception of sporadic domestic service by an individual in a private home. Day laborers or other casual workers engaged in any compensated activity (with the above exception) are employees for purposes of immigration law. An employer includes an agent or anyone acting directly or indirectly in the interest of the employer. For purposes of verfication of authorization to work, employer also means an independent contractor, or a contractor other than the person using the alien labor. The use of temporary or short-term contracts cannot be used to circumvent the employment authorization verification requirements. If employment is to be for less than the usual three days allowed for completing the I-9 Form requirement, the form must be completed immediately at the time of hire.

An employer has constructive knowledge that an employee is an illegal unauthorized worker if a reasonable person would infer it from the facts. Constructive knowledge constituting a violation of federal law has been found where (1) the I-9 employment eligibility form has not been properly completed, including supporting documentation, (2) the employer has learned from other individuals, media reports, or any source of information available to the employer that the alien is unauthorized to work, or (3) the employer acts with reckless disregard for the legal consequences of permitting a third party to provide or introduce an illegal alien into the employer's work force. Knowledge cannot be inferred solely on the basis of an individual's accent or foreign appearance.

Actual specific knowledge is not required. For example, a newspaper article stating that ballrooms depend on an illegal alien work force of dance hostesses was held by the courts to be a reasonable ground for suspicion that unlawful conduct had occurred.

IT IS ILLEGAL FOR NONPROFIT OR RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS to knowingly assist an employer to violate employment sanctions, REGARDLESS OF CLAIMS THAT THEIR CONVICTIONS REQUIRE THEM TO ASSIST ALIENS. Harboring or aiding illegal aliens is not protected by the First Amendment. It is a felony to establish a commercial enterprise for the purpose of evading any provision of federal immigration law. Violators may be fined or imprisoned for up to five years.