They read it better then they can speak it. I have Hispanic friends and have noticed that.

Very good for your ancestors.

What was the problem with immigrants, before the Feds took over?

Incorrect nogames!

We have the highest Legal Immigration rate in the world!
Last I checked it was 17%.

The Feds took over because the States requested it.
There were too many coming and they had no way of tracking them or ensuring they didn't bring any communicable diseases with them!

I did not say we have the lowest rate. I said we allow very few. I suppose that the definition of "few" we can disagree on.

What remains, is that we not allow everyone, and it is not because we're running out of place.

Is this why we limit the immigration now? Is it because we can only reasonably process (tracking? Deceases, OK) as many as we do now, and not any more?

Sorry I ran into a server problem.

The OP, correct me if Im wrong, was about illegal immigration!
Illegal immigration is uncontrolled and a crime! Who is coming and how many is undocumented. As evidenced by the wide variety in the estimated numbers here now!

When immigration was open to anyone who could make it here and the States were straddled with the problem the industrial Revolution was taking place. America was a country of Pioneers and welcomed the trained skilled labor forces coming here from Europe.

And come they did. Too many in fact. They soon became a burden to law enforcement, welfare services, etc. More came than there were jobs for and it was hurting the quality of life for all of America.

Shortly after this was when the problem was shuffled off on the Feds, and they opened 5 immigration processing points in America. One is the famous Ellis Island.

(more shortly)

my problem....

(yall wanna know?)

mexicans dont pay any taxes.
(now that is comele BS!!)

I watched a house go up in my neighborhood...it went up quickly..in at least 3 months now somebody has mvoed in. it was built by mexicans. I watched them everyday.

and ima thinkin........
they bid it out cheaper than an american would.

of course once it got to the more delicate work...plumbing, electricity and such.....no mexicans to be seen.


cheap labor....and they dont pay any taxes.

BS

OK, Im back.
In 1907, Congress began a study on the large immigration rate and its effect on all values of American life.
They studied the effects on the legal system, welfare system, wages, etc. It was very thorough and took until 1911 to finish!

Its called The Dillingham Report!
After this report is when a limit was set on legal immigration to the US!

Its a very long report but you would be amazed at the commonality of it's findings and the complaints you hear today. Too many to be just racist squabbling and *****ing.

The Report is 41 volumes! A long read, but well worth the effort if one is interested in facts!

Here's a link! I hope its still current. I had to find it.

http://site.ebrary.com/lib/stanfordimmigrationdillingham/home.action

Enjoy!!!

yep, there is a problem going on when we don't even own our our own convenient stores on the corner and all of the government are dual citizenry. that just doesn't add up to good for american citizens who were born here.

And yes!
I have read most all of them!

That's fine. I did worse, - I posted in a thread that was too "inapropriate" for a model citizen that asks no questions.

IYKWIATA



I would counter that an illegal immigration is a consequence of us limiting the legal inflow. Same as with Marijuana. Why people smoke it illegally? Because, it against the law!



Not to break you train of thought, but immigration was literally open to anyone long before the industrial revolution. So, let us not pretend that this would be the point we should start observing the cause and consequence.



Again, if that was the concern, then none of us would be there, as the arrival of Pilgrims certainly was a burden for native law enforcement, welfare cervices, hunting jobs (buffaloes), and was hurting (not to light of a term?) the quality of life of natives.

So,our own happy existence here is a direct consequence of our ancestors paying no attention whatsoever to these concerns, would you agree?



Did this report take into a consideration my arguments just above?
My guess is that, hell, they did not. Or, if they did, they would be left with an obvious deportation recommendation to themselves.

I do understand, that we do like to apply the rules to others, that we do not need to follow. It is exemplary easier to adore than the opposite.



I was just trying to collect the complaints here.

We have figured out that so far, provided that they:
-pass medical check (Fanta),
-travel through controlled points of entry (Fanta),
-pay taxes (obey the same laws we do) (Catwoman),

There should be no restriction to a person wishing to immigrate to USA.

Now, I understand the list is not complete. Feel free to add.

Yes they did.
You see there comes a point when too much of one thing begins to devalue the whole.
That was the reason for the Dillingham commission, and it was confirmed by the findings as outlined in their report!

You should read it!

I have a good faith in your honesty, and so, I won't. Let us continue, even if you're armed with such a volume, and I am not, I appreciate your cortesy though.



I thought this was my whole point, Fanta. If such is determined to be the case, then the same should be held true for natives.

Our arrival then, devalued their whole, right?

Thus for the one arriving at such a determination, there is only one conceivable decision to be made, - self deportation, for the sake of equality of the judge with those that he judges.

why are they letting them come in and water down america?

One of my points was; We Americans are told to hunker down and ride it out. We might be best served if the Illegal were removed and those jobs opened up to Americans or Legal Immigrants.

They, the Feds, know where the majority are and who is employing them.

why would they do such a thing though? i would love to hear a hypothesis on this one.

1. An Illegal has no rights.
2. The Employer who hires knowing they are Illegal, pays them under the table, not paying Income Tax, SS., etc.
3. The bottom line for places like Tyson Foods is mo' money with Illegals.

One of Tysons many plants was investigated and raided. Being 1 of the plants uses Illegals, I would guess most of the others were also. I see that particular incident as offering up the sacrificial Lamb. One good bust, write off that plant and the Feds leave the others alone.

Another point. Obama would give in-state tuition. Meaning, the Illegal wold be able to qualify for discount education.