Well, yeah thats what Planet of the Apes was about, but it wasnt really anything to do with "Ancient Astronauts" (it was in the future).

---Quoting this so JB or Warmachine will read it.

Makes for great Sci-Fi.

Battlestar Galactica (The new version) was awesome. I recommend it to anyone. A true epic. And not as corny as it sounds at all. All very "realistic". I am sure JB would be interested in it if I could ever get her to check it out

well of course, i see, anything that is in it's "current time", that deems all theories as "possibilities" as possible, can see itself as still "primitive", even in current time, so in essence, see the future long before it arrive???

that's cool man...

for each thing the mind deem as impossible, the eye's of the mind close unto the self slumber of nothing new, and reality become as but limited to what 2 eye's out of 6.7 billion can see and know???

cool, i see now, that makes perfect sense...

hell yea, i see, yes, we are living out NOW what many deemed long ago as sci-fi???

i think i get this thread!!!???

piece to piece to piece, as we gather all the shards of what once was long ago, that started the total ear or cycle, and has now morphed into the same, but a greater version of???

so for each total age's or cycle, all things just become more MAGNIFIED, so greater, but the same, yes, each era and time learning what the era AHEAD, or before this one, already learned???

so, your saying that is what "et's" may be???

your saying that is what angel's are???

so, your saying that is what some other's call as "god" is???

ok, i get it!!!???

oh, so i get it, what we deem NOW as modern man as once "primitive man", is actually still there, but just following behind us in time, within the ever "intelligence producing" system called the cosmos and earth...

you mean that is why some call earth "mother earth", as in earth being the "womb" of "intelligence" as growing up, over and again, and again, never ending, each cycle seeing and knowing more and more???

so these are the "ancient astronaut's???

very cool man...

sounds like a cool system to build "human computor's", from the ground up...

cool man...

great thread guys...

peace

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Wow, Abra, you seem to be forming an alliance!..
Although Billy and Creative may be skeptical of some of the ideas, yet they're, at least, opened to the possibility... You, on the other hand, are completely closed -- regardless of the countless facts indicating otherwise, you blindly reject any evidence! (I guess, you’d still deny it even if the alien stared in your face – until the mass media reported the incident…) * * *
Unfortunately, that’s what happens to most of the old past scholars who cannot adapt to new unorthodox ideas!

Fortunately, this thread has been joined by the person (METALWING) who’s been fortunate to personally observe one of the ancient artifacts, the pyramids of Macchu Piccu – from the engineering point of view! (Wed 04/15/09 02:53 PM) I bet, he’s been a disbeliever also. But, after observing the evidence 1st hand, he’s arrived to the conclusion that “man could not have built those pyramids”! ! ! * * * * * * * * * *

With all due respect, Abra, you resemble a child who shut his eyes and ears, saying: “I do not see/hear anything – the evidence isn’t there !!!”
Well, everyone’s entitled to his opinion… But it would be a Futile attempt persuading JB to join your sinking boat! ! !

Oh goody, an argument about aliens.

I don't expect to convince you (or anyone) that aliens exist. (You seem to have already made up your minds anyway.)

It is in your concept of what you think they "must be like" that you go down the wrong path.

As for what "science" rules out' science doesn't rule out the possibility of aliens either. (Maybe you do, but true "science" doesn't.)

(And if a "spiritual" being is not an "alien" then what is it?)

Here is what I mean by "alien." I mean "A non-human intelligent, sentient life form."

Given that, I will address some of your arguments.



A ridiculous assumption. It presumes that you know (or are assuming) the nature of these "non existent" aliens and what they might need or not need from humans.

You are not in the position to make this assumption or to claim that "it should be obvious" simply because you are coming from so many assumptions about what these aliens would have to be like and what they might need or not need. Therefore you have gone down the wrong path of reason.




I don't remember having laid out a detailed description of exactly what technological capabilities these alien races have, so I think you are assuming an awful lot about what they would need.

Their technology is different, very different, from what you might think of as "technology." Technology is not the end all of everything. Their technology went down a completely different path than our technology is going at this time.

Not knowing the nature of the aliens in question you are still assuming a huge amount about what they might need from humans.



The galaxy aliens vary in race (species) and some have very different needs, methods and means of survival. Some would clearly like to (and do) eat human flesh for what ever reason any creature eats meat. (These are the more violent species.)

The Draconians are not nice creatures, but they are more civilized. They don't invade by force like the Sirians used to do. The Draconians are said to have defeated the Sirians and don't allow them to ransack the galaxy planets like they used to do.

But its a large galaxy, and I'm sure there are still some nasty alien groups who are still overtly bloody and ruthless.

The Draconians are not in a hurry to infiltrate this planet as they live a long time and they incarnate with full memory intact of their previous lives, so they prefer to the use of covert infiltration and peaceful take over just like the people who seem to be taking over this country.



The aliens have a lot of technology because of the fact that they live longer lives and that they incarnate sequentially, retaining full memory of their former lives.

They don't loose their technology because they retain their memories and can easily pass on their culture and technology for centuries with no interruptions.

However this does not help them to evolve spiritually... (which you have called "mentally.") They remain lacking in compassion and a large range of other emotions that are in place in the human population. They are spiritually immature and very unimaginative.



Some aliens do think of humans as "mindless lifestock" and have little respect for us. But just like any where, there are good aliens and bad aliens, just as there are good humans and bad humans. We are all individuals.

Humans have more uses than mindless cows. They can do intelligent and imaginative work. They have more ideas than aliens do. Humans are more creative. The aliens have not figured this out as they believe that they are superior to humans and yet humans are more imaginative and emotional and creative than aliens. The aliens want to steal these abilities and traits from humans for themselves, and they want to incarnate into human form and into human bodies in an attempt to advance their spiritual evolution and still retain all of their memories of their former lives and all of their technology.

They want it all. Yet they are not willing to pay the price for it, they want to steal it from the humans.

The price would be to choose a different INCARNATE path which would mean that they would begin to incarnate on the simultaneous path but in doing so they will loose the memory of each of their other lives. Most are afraid to do this and would never consider it. They love the third density material world and they love their technology and their power to use it to enslave others and continue to build their wealth and technology.




You may have given it serious consideration, but you have gone down a path of assumption about what an alien is and what they might need. You assume that they are more like us than I do.

They are not. They are worlds apart from us in many ways. The only thing similar is that we for some reason, live in the same galaxy and/or reality.

Of course that's only if you believe they exist, which you don't.

In conclusion, I would say that you make a lot of assumptions that have led you down the wrong path to the wrong conclusion in my opinion.

To add to the different paths of thought between you, Billy, Creative and me: In order to follow my train of thought you would have to accept the fact of reincarnation and the eternal spiritual being having a material experience in a third density matrix. (All very "sci-fi" to the conscious and very mental plane that you are thinking from.)

Oh crap......my secret is out!

now where did I put those extra Dylithium crystals..?????

Very cool JB.


That reminds me of the Cylons on Battlestar Galactica. When they died, they can reincarnate (download) with all their memories of their previous lives. Also their technology was organic in nature. Their ships and other gadgets were living things.

I was also thinking that earth was a prison colony, we were transplanted 50,000-70,000 years ago along with a mind wipe then forgotten about. At the same time the Neanderthal was already here so it made scene to drop us off on this planet.

I think that it is very likely that there could be humans that have evolved on other Earth-like planets We KNOW that humans are possible

it would seem that if all species of life on the planet MIMIC one another in all inert nature???

all LIFE as bodies, eating, breathing, sleeping, eliminating waste, constructing shelter for itself, reproducing, working and playing with member's of it's same species, from insects to animals to humans, than any greater intelligence of a higher realm, being still in itself, and OF THE SAME COSMOS ITSELF, MUST BE EXACT IN ALL NATURE AS WELL???

if such created "this realm", then it MUST BY ALL REASONING THRU THE SIGHT OF ALL THE UNIVERSE, MIMIC THIS REALM???

BEING just then "life" in a higher form, is just not still "involuntarily tied" to a "flesh" boat or "vessel", or traveling thru "time" AS IN A DELIMTIER OF MOST POWER AVAILABLE???

therefore this created in itself all the first tellings of "et's", and created the fascination with such, and for some the same things called as "god", and but fascination called and defined thru some other's as "angel's"???

but still these "subconscious things", or root fascinations still all of the SAME???

these as ONE COLLECTIVE SAME FASCINATION, being passed down OVER AND OVER THRU ALL THE AGE'S OF PRESENT HISTORY AND TIME???

the ONLY WAY such could be "ever present" in the minds of humanity even from the "dawn" of present man???

so showing, and indicating by all NATURAL ESSENCE OF MAN, THAT SUCH WAS INDEED IN A BEGINNNING TIME, or such would NOT HAVE COME TO BE PASSED DOWN THRU ALL TIME???

can one "imagine" ANYTHING now, in it's present mind, WITHOUT HAVING "SOMETHING" TO "FIRST" BASE IMAGININATION ON???

NOTHING IS IN THE "SUBCONSCIOUS", EXCEPT WHAT WAS ONCE, OR IS, OR HAS BEEN "SEEN OR HEARD "FIRST", NO MATTER HOW IS IT DEFINED OR CONSTRUED BY THE PRESENT REALITY ALONE???

so in a beginning, HOW COULD IMNAGINATION BE BASED ON "NOTHING"???

EVEN THE FACT ALL THINGS "HERE" WISH TO BE LOVED, PROVE ALL THINGS HAD TO HAVE COME FIRST FROM LOVE, TO KNOW OR RECOGNIZE OR SEEK IT IN THIS PRESENT FORM???

THERE HAS TO BE A "TRUE" POINT OF REFERENCE, TO MAKE EVEN A "FALSE REFERENCE"???

HAS TO BE A "REAL" DOLLAR BILL, TO EVEN "FIRST CREATE ANY "FALSE" DOLLAR BILL???

SO THERE HAD TO HAVE BEEN SEEN, OR FELT, OR TASTED, OR HEARD, OR SMELLED, FOR ALL SUCH THINGS "PASSED DOWN", EITHER VERBALLY OR WRITTEN???

HAD TO HAVE BEEN TUCKED AWAY IN THE "SUBCONSCIOUS MIND"???

interpretations may vary, BUT THE PRINCIPLES OF ALL REMAIN THE VERY SAME IN ALL ESSENCE???

but still, ALL THINGS did and are following the most "basic" principle's of ALL THINGS OF AND IN THE EARTH AND UNIVERSE AND COSMOS???

but to first see the MAXIMUM, ALL THINGS HAVE TO BE "FIRST SEEN AS EQUAL", TO ALLOW ALL DATA TO BE "FIRST RECIEVED INTO THE MIND, to then see the true less good or more good???

to not do so, is to first base ALL GOOD, OR LESS GOOD, ON PARTIAL DATA ALONE???

this then can easily become as the most true "guide" for the knowing of the true "cycle" of all things called as "mysteries" of life and death, or good and evil, intelligence or ignorance, and all things of the cosmos???

this then be the only most way to engage and understand what is really surrounding oneself, in a delimited or "less powerful present environment"???

and then, what is in the "unseen environment as well" can be properly understood, of course, having to keep all definitions in "synch" with the universe itself???

where all things be EXACT in all essene, JUST HAVING AND HOLDING MORE POWER, as each "stage" of life become more advanced???

or just more knowing???

and GREATER INTELLIGENCE BE AQUIRED FROM "TIME", just as a human hold MORE POWER, BECAUSE OF MORE KNOWING MADE POSSIBLE, than a dog???

so, if all age's of "human man civilization", have been FORCE FED TO LEARN GREATER "EQUALITY" WITH TIME, THAN THIS IS MOST THE GREATER GOOD THAT MUST EXIST, USING ALL PAST AND PRESERNT HISTORY OF WHAT BE THE "SINGLE" FIRST GREATER LEARNING BY MAN, TO DEDUCT SUCH???

seeing all "age's of human man and time", have been passing thru the GREAT NATURAL FIGHT AGAINST THE "LESS KNOWING UNEQUALITY", THAT ALL MAN IS FIRST BORN WITH???

once pre-packaged with birth, by basic self preservation drive of self alone most, and perpetauted unto a pride in later days, with time morphing such, this first creating than a less sight, NOT A MORE SIGHT???

but, SEEING ALL THINGS NEED AN "OPPOSITE", TO PROPELL ANY CHANGE OR "MOVE"???

even such following the basic principle of all "move" of ANYTHING AND ALL IN THE UNIVERSE???

gotta have a FIRST "MOVEMENT" TO MAKE SOMETHING ELSE MOVE???

so then ALL THINGS HAD TO COME FROM A "FIRST MOVEMENT" GREATER THAN IT'S VERY SELF IS IN THE "NOW"???

this then called as "et's", or angel's, or god, or supernatural, or creator, or just MORE than what self can CREATE in this present moment in time???

as such, to propell "SELF WILL" TOWARDS WHAT IS BETTER, OR GREATER GOOD???

so "evil" had to BE PRE-PROGRAMMED BEFORE ARRIVAL, or there would have been no PROPULSION SYSTEM TOWARD LEARNING AND KNOWING WHAT IS MORE GOOD???

why some in present time, tried to ERADICATE WHAT ITSELF DEEMED AS "MORE EVIL THAN ITSELF???

BUT THEN THIS IN ITSELF, IS "FIRST EVIL"???

so then what FIRST create less good, and CAN SUCH EXIST IN TIME OR MORE ADVANCED "FORMS OF LIFE"???

it would not with all universe itself logic appear so???

it become's more redily apparent what all things AHEAD IN TIME, OR JUST "IN HIGHER REALMS", MUST HAVE ALREADY LEARNED???

SUCH THINGS, TO BE IN "ADVANCED OR "IN TIME OUT IN FRONT OF US", IN THE NEVER ENDING CIRCLE OF "INFINITE TIME", AS IT MUST BE A CIRCLE, TO BE DEEMED AS INFINITE, INDEED CANNOT BE???

this then in itself, show most by simple logic alone, that ALL HUMAN LIFE AS WELL, MUST THEN BE AS A NEVER ENDING CIRCLE, SO TRULY ALL ARE INDEED INFINITE, JUST BEING FINITE FOR A TIME???

of course, present human cannot imagine such, BUT THE VERY REASON AND NEED FOR "ALL" THAT IS "NOW", SO, WHEN "PROGRESSING", THERE IS "KNOWING OF NOW", TO UNDERSTAND THE "LATER TO COME"???

which would indicate then all things in "advanced time", be more of THE BEST OF NOW, OR AGAIN, SMARTER, OR SEEING MORE AS EQUAL, which is FAIR, AND JUST, and NO WAY AS LESS OF KNOWING OF SUCH THINGS???

to live and love all things as having equal value then, would be any greater seeing, and of course not missed, NOTHING COULD FIRST DO EVIL AS INTENTIONAL HARM TO ANOTHER, UNLESS IT FIRST DEEM SOMEHTHING AS "LESS VALUABLE THAN ITSELF"???

SO HOW CAN SOME "EVIL" EXIST IN THE "NEXT" PROGRESSION OF TIME, IF IT HAS TO BY ALL UNIVERSE DRIVEN PRINCIPLE AND LOGIC AS "GREATER THAN THE PRESENT OR NOW"???

THE FUTURE OR NEXT STAGE TO HAVE SOME "EVIL" IN IT???

logic itself show this as not possible???

as any GREATER, would not need what is needed here, for "PROPULSION" towards greater good, having already passed thru HERE???

WHICH ALSO SHOW, THE MAXIUMUM POSSIBLE GOOD HERE???

not anything but most all things as equal???

no matter what first appear, or more of less good is created by reaction itself???

so then the push toward more is simply most not allowing some "difference" or "defintion" or singular or group "interpretation", to allow self to deem something else as LESS VALUABLE THAN SELF LIFE OR WANT???

not meaning that there is not "less good" things, or something called as "bad", but, not allowing such things to steal FIRST GREATER INTELLIGENCE POSSIBLE, OR JUSTICE, which is "maintaining equality"???

no longer than is anything about an "individual" at all, but about principles of WHAT CREATE GREATER GOOD FOR ALL AS ONE BODY OR SPECIES???

CERTAINLY THAN, any higher realm, being then "past" or AHEAD OF US, IN THIS PLACE IN TIME, or MORE ADVANCED, would have learned such things to HIGHER DEGREE'S, TO A DEGREE OF GREATER PRECISION OF SUCH THINGS???

then this in itself lead the WAY OF ALL "MAXIMUM PROFICIENCY" OF ALL THINGS, which simply first come from "current man" deeming many "simple" things as meaningless, lol???

thinking itself is SO ADVANCED IN ITSELF, WHICH IN ITSELF CREATE THE ONLY "LESS GOOD" THAT EXIST, AND SUCH "LESS", COULD NOT BE CAPABLE, OF EXISTING IN A "GREATER PLACE" THAN THIS???

so IN ACTUALITY, WHATEVER DEEM ITSELF AS POOR, AND IGNORANT, as not more advanced, is then able to become as MORE ADVANCED, OR INTELLIGENT, OR JUST KNOWING GREATER THINGS SO WISHED TO BE KNOWN???

just an ignorant rant...

just thoughts this thread make "one eye" think of...

peace to peace to peace

I AM SORRY, DAVID, but, phyllisophically speaking,
Y O U H A V E E X C E E D E D Y O U R Q U O T A O F Q U E S T I O N M A R K S ? ? ?

your MESSAGE consists of 42 sentences, AND every one of them ends with THREE QUESTION MARKS??? THAT IS MUCH TOO MUCH??? AND I CANNOT TAKE IT??? LOL???

Aren't YOU AWARE OF THE OTHER PUNCTUATION MARKS??? {THIS IS A REAL QUESION BY THE WAY???}

PERHAPS ALIENS HAVE AFFECTED YOUR COMPUTER, OR YOUR HANDS???

P.S. THERE, WE JAVE A CONFIRMATION!!!

LOL


I think he makes a statement and then questions it (???) in order to get others to THINK and all the while implying that nobody is really right or wrong.

Everything is just a point of view.

ANYBODY that can read these ignorant words, and get ANYTHING good from them, is an incredible wise one that can make lemonade out of lemons, and churn ignorance into wisdom???

lol...

illusions must be maintained until the illusion is shattered???

the founding sums of all foundations of the world entire, all the time delay realms empire built upon three, six, and nine, the empire sum of all that is imperical and sometimes called divine???

each little tittle of all things that jittle, of earth so brittle and oh so little, runner be batter up in the procession that mask the impression of time, but the miniscule that create the grand illusions of the cosmos, that divide magnanimous realms of streched out time, that hide lying still and waiting behind the blind???

piece to piece to piece, lay down the yellow brick road piece by piece, the golden rosetta stone, trodding feet traveling thru the cobble stones, the road to infinity all piece's creating divine.

Well I guess no one wants to take the jeanniebean on in this debate.

Have you ever read "Chariot of The Gods"?

No I haven't.

It was a book written in the 70s (I think) by Eric Von Daniken. It was THE book to read about the Ancient Astronaut theory.