besides...NOW y'all think that universal healthcare sounds liek a good plan. but your all happy and in love with Obama....and think hes gonna fix all these problems with a socialist healthcare system.


give it 4 years.......what if you get another GWB in office?? Do you REALLY want him to be the big man behind your healthcare plan????

we all know what causes inflation don't we??????? obama is inflating the hell out of us now.

Andrew Koppelman offers some historic perspective on what Obama's policies do and do not represent in these un-Leninist times.

"Obama properly belongs in a specific anti-socialist movement on the left, Social Democracy, which accepts a capitalist economy but demands a state strong enough to moderate its failures and excesses...To whatever extent Obama is a socialist, we are all socialists now."

Do you realize what you're asking lol


Personally, I feel that our issues are the cost of heathcare - not insurance. The costs of healthcare are what need to be addressed not whether or not the government should pay for people to pay some of those outrageous costs.

An aside, largest expense to Medicare is fraud. over 20% of its budget is lot yearly. We need to control things like that before we throw more money at it. not to mention the costs of business jacking up prices - i.e. malpractice suits for dumb **** that end up paying out millions. Yeah, there are times (tool left inside surgery patient, a real wrongful death case due to negligence) where lawsuits are necessary but just the costs of litigation alone - even with no award - increase costs for all of us. Nationalizing healthcare is a band-aid on a bullet wound. We need to fix the root of the problem first.

Right, and it's getting us nowhere as you pointed out. Why not research the heart of the problem, than address those issues....

The heart of the problemb is it is for profit.

Bingo, we have a winner.
Heathcare Insurance does not exist to take of you, it is a product sold to make money for the insurance company.
The industry is geared towards making money, through selling you healthcare services. Take the profit out and you will see a massive shift in the entire system from top to bottom.
Do you think the pharmaceutical industry is here to make your life better? Its not, it exists to make profits.
The research and development of new products and procedures all have their eyes on the dollars, don't kid yourself if you think its not.

You are, for the most part, correct. The problem i see, is nationalizing the industry will make HUGE profits for the pharmaceutical companies. More so than they make now, because they will have much deeper pockets to pick. In order to keep the system fair, we need competition that is not sanctioned at all.

Besides, weren't insurance companies originally non-profit? I heard that from somwhere...

Anyway, yes, pharmaceutical companies are partially to blame. Their influence over the FDA is also partially to blame. Malpractice insurance, and procedures they require doctors to take just to "cover their rears" is also partially to blame. We, not practicing healthy habits, are also partially to blame. And yes, the uninsured, which would include illegal immigrants, and those that simply cannnot afford insurance are partially to blame. And...those insurance companies, such as medicare, mainecare, and probably medicade as well, who shortchange hospitals on medical costs are partially to blame.

All these issues must be researched. All these problems must be addressed before making a decision to rob people to pay for healthcare. This is what i am saying. There are many, many pieces to the puzzle. Our problems won't be solved by simply throwing money at it...

People are allready being robbed for healthcare it seems to me the trouble is management. It is managed for the profit of shareholders and owners and not for the health of the people. time to change the over priced bloated management and have someone accountable to the people on election day.

on election day??

okay...well I guess it should be the gov making the money offa healthcare? do they need their piece of the pie?? Is medicare/medicaid putting to much strain on them and not enough money in their pockets??

They are putting plenty of money in the politicians pockets that is why we have such a crappy health care system

why does everyone forget about the federal reserve and their part in this whole thing. if it weren't for this fake fiat money losing it's value, we wouldn't be in any of this mess!! who controls the value of the money? the federal reserve does.

excellent point...madman..what do ya think?

I think the federal reseve is run by fat cat republicans.

i think your wrong...research it.


who owns the federal reserve??

the fat cats that own the federal reserve don't suffer themselves with such petty party alignment.


"give me a nations currency and i care not who makes it's laws" amschell rothschild quote.

are you asking me that or madison man?

lets face it eh, republicans are the money class and investing class. They trick average folks to vote for them with wedge issues like abortion or raceism and religion things like that. How else can so many americans vote against their own self interest and vote for them? We have been victims of a 30 year propoganda campaign that claimed government was the problemb and not the solution and we bought into it and now that things are so messed up the government has to bail out the free enterprise system. We have over 40 million americans with no insurance at all and a million more are added each year. The time for debate is over our system has failed misserably.

Careful my friend... Very careful. Many civilizations have ended by that philosophy.

i fear you have fallen victim to this...

"When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic."
-Benjamin Franklin

listen to a video called 'the creature from jekyll island'.