Topic: What does it take to make water 'Holy'?
RainbowTrout's photo
Wed 05/02/07 04:27 PM
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our
likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over
the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and
over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us,
to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take
also of the tree, of life, and eat, and live forever:

I think the word "us" in both verses is interesting.

jeanc200358's photo
Wed 05/02/07 04:30 PM
Jesus gave up His life because He knew that's what God had in mind for
Him. He knew what His purpose was here on this earth, and it certainly
wasn't to be that of a martyr.

no photo
Wed 05/02/07 04:30 PM

genesis has 3 different authors , there are other problems to for
example the days in one its like he makes man on the 6th day one 2nd
day ... the concept of time and what a day is before time is made... the
fact that he brings animals for adam to decide a mate from, and
therefore women is put on that same scale, theres the fact there are a
"them" vs making man and then women from mans rib, gen 1 and 2 creation
myths are different but society readiliy accepts gen 2 it backs up
patriarchy

1)In the 9th century in the Southern Kingdom of Judea the Jahwist (J)
creates Genesis 2-3
2. In the 8th century in the Northern Kingdom of Israel the
Elohist (E) created Genesis 1
3. The Priestly (P) author in the 5th century is known not
for writing but for combining Genesis 1 with Genesis 2-3, and adding in
bits and pieces to the stories to try to make them more congruent.

no photo
Wed 05/02/07 04:31 PM
jean what the heck do you think jesus was... he gave up his life for
his beliefs.. if jesus wouldn't have continued to preach he was " king"
and pee of the romans and the jews he would never have been killed he
died for his beliefs!!!!!!!!

davinci1952's photo
Wed 05/02/07 04:43 PM
..AB...have you ever read the sci fi book "Behold the Man"?..think the
author is Moor****..check it out I think you would find it interesting..
grumble

AdventureBegins's photo
Wed 05/02/07 04:49 PM
Wow...

Ask a simple question.

Get answers to ????

I did not ask who jesus was.

I asked for clarification on what consititutes holy water.

Talk about hyjacking a thread.

Can anyone out there answer the question I asked or must we get more of
the

HERE is CHRIST, There IS Christ, OH no he's over there. Hey I talked
to him yesterday...

so...

WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO MAKE WATER HOLY?

Abracadabra's photo
Wed 05/02/07 04:49 PM
Roy wrote:
“I think the word "us" in both verses is interesting.”

Back in those days it was very common to belief that were many gods.
Everything was magic. People had absolutely no scientific understanding
of how things worked. Even something as simple as wind was a mystical
thing to them. They had no explanation for what caused wind. Storms
were often viewed as a sign that the gods were angry about something.

So it was very common for people back then to believe that there were
many gods in charge of all the differnet facets of the earth. Yet at
the same time they would also have the ‘God of gods”. The one main
deity that was the highest most god.

So to see the authors of Genesis referring to God as saying “Let ‘us’
make man in ‘our’ image and ‘our’ likeness” is not surprising at all
because that’s how the authors would have viewed their gods.

Abracadabra's photo
Wed 05/02/07 04:54 PM
"WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO MAKE WATER HOLY?"

Sorry AB.

I thought your question had already been answered.

Here's my answer.

Holy water is just a symbolic religous tradition. The only thing that
makes the water 'holy' is the fact that some priest or preacher is using
it for a holy ceremony.

AdventureBegins's photo
Wed 05/02/07 04:56 PM
So in reality it is just water that some dude waved his hand over and
perhaps breathed on?

Then why call it holy?

Jess642's photo
Wed 05/02/07 04:57 PM
laugh Oh boy....


AB.....from the debating and re-qualifying and the classifying...and
de-classifying, and the quoting and misquoting...


I come to the conclusion...

No-one knows, nor can read..

What the F*ck is holy water???

Does it come by the tanker?

I could do with some here...the garden looks a little piqued.:wink:

davinci1952's photo
Wed 05/02/07 04:59 PM
..urinals from the vatican for all I know...

let the comments begin...indifferent indifferent

cutelildevilsmom's photo
Wed 05/02/07 05:02 PM
its water blessed by a priest and sometimes used in exorcism rights.

RainbowTrout's photo
Wed 05/02/07 05:06 PM
Thank, James. I was wondering about the difference of the tree of life
and the tree of good and evil. Evidently they were two separate trees.
When in the text the Serpent says you will not surely die. Then they
were run out before they could eat from the tree of life. I mean the
Serpent gives you the impression that they would become as gods. The
Serpent mentions more than one god. What would have happened if they had
ate from the tree of life first before eating from the tree of good and
evil?

AdventureBegins's photo
Wed 05/02/07 05:06 PM
Ok it is water blessed by a priest...

In other words some dude breathed on it.

Wonder if its the same one that had the alter boy last week.

My turn davinci.

Perhaps I should hide now.

scttrbrain's photo
Wed 05/02/07 05:15 PM
Holy water is spring water, not from a bottle. Also added to it can be a
little salt (kosher).

Holy water was used[in ancient pre-christian times].

Holy water, is "water blessed by the priest or holy man, with solemn
prayer, to beg God's blessing on those who use it, and protection from
the powers of darkness."

Water is a symbol of interior cleansing.

Water is the natural element for cleansing, and hence its use was common
in almost every ancient faith, to denote interior purification.

Kat

scttrbrain's photo
Wed 05/02/07 05:19 PM
Oops, I forgot something.

Salt is a natural cleanser, stain remover.

The salt is used for various reasons. It is used -- to help to wash away
the stains of sin, to quench the fire of our passions, to preserve us
from relapses into sin.

Kat

scttrbrain's photo
Wed 05/02/07 05:20 PM
Oh!! Salt is also used with tequila. mmmmmm mmmmm mmmm.

jeanc200358's photo
Wed 05/02/07 05:29 PM
"jean what the heck do you think jesus was... he gave up his life for
his beliefs.. if jesus wouldn't have continued to preach he was " king"
and pee of the romans and the jews he would never have been killed he
died for his beliefs!!!!!!!!"


Do you think that anyone would willingly endure the horrible suffering
He went through on the cross to be remembered as a martry, as a man who
"died for his beliefs?" He had a specific purpose when God sent Him to
this Earth, and that was to shed His blood so that mankind would be
saved from its sins.

He continued to "pee off" the Romans and the Jews because He knew that
was all part of God's plan. He knew His life on this earth was nearing
its end.

Jesus Christ, the man, did not want to endure this suffering; He did not
want to die. He even asked God, "Father, why hast thou forsaken Me?" He
understood His death was inevitable; he knew it was His destiny from the
time he was a child.

What Jesus Christ endured on that cross and what happened after that
goes far beyond someone simply "giving up their life for their beliefs."

TheLonelyWalker's photo
Wed 05/02/07 05:33 PM
It's just a symbol
The only one who can clean u is God.

AdventureBegins's photo
Wed 05/02/07 05:37 PM
thank you LW.

I do believe you are right.

My the spirit flow through you allways.

And peace radiate from you.