Thats right. We always were a sovereign nation since the revolutionary war.

State and municipal taxes cover these.
My taxes help pay for street repairs, firefighters, police officers, parks, city street lights, trash pick-up, and more. Teachers get paid, schools and only if you are a property owner. Renters get away free from paying taxes for schools.

State Taxes, subsidized by the Feds cover these.
highways get built.

Do you really have a clue as to where your Fed Tax goes? Most of it goes to support the Fat Cats who are supposed to be looking out for our interests.

You just paid for the round trip Hillary made to kiss Commie A$$.

she is doing her job

winx, i'm really not trying to argue, i can prove what i'm saying. my words on this subject aren't empty when you believe what you believe about the tax system, you are believing the same people that have lied to us about too many things for them to be trusted. it's not in the hands of the people. it seems, the good people don't really have a hand in this tax policy. do you really believe that the irs is on your side?

The seven propaganda devices include:

Name calling -- giving something a bad label to make the audience reject it without examining the evidence;
Glittering generalities -- the opposite of name calling;
Card stacking -- the selective use of facts and half-truths;
Bandwagon -- appeals to the desire, common to most of us, to follow the crowd;
Plain folks -- an attempt to convince an audience that they, and their ideas, are "of the people";
Transfer -- carries over the authority, sanction and prestige of something we respect or dispute to something the speaker would want us to accept; and
Testimonials -- involving a respected (or disrespected) person endorsing or rejecting an idea or person.


I see two in one post!

Good thing winx is smart enough to avoid the traps..

fanta, i know what your doing, and it's not nice.

*Name calling -- giving something a bad label to make the audience reject it without examining the evidence;

you are doing just that when you slyly say "i see two in one post" i don't know why you hate me so much but you tend to try to sabbatage everything i write in any of these posts. i have looked back to see your reactions to most of my opinions and all i see are little snive remarks about my sanity or intelligence, not one of them is anything that actually rebutts my opinion with facts. i do know that sometimes you will form an opposite opinion on these threads just to "stir the pot" which in my opinion can be fun sometimes if you are the stirrer, but sometimes when someone has spent countless amounts of hours researching a subject because the really do care about society, and they try to relay some of the information that it took thousands of hours of research to actually verify, it kind of sucks to have someone just cut it into with a silly little remark on sanity. some of us are on these forums earnestly and some of us are on them for entertainment, which is sad at this point because the entertainers can really keep some people from actually learning something.

I seldom agree with Fanta

but sometimes I do

fanta, do you believe that the IRS is your friend? that they are here to help people?

Everything she did there used to go totally against her grain. Did she sell out what she believed in? Or has she always just been hype for attention?
She used to openly condemn China for their flagrant abuse of Human rights. She condemned the massacre of student protesters in the square.
Her comment is now, Oh, we can't let little things get in the way of progress.
Massacre is a little thing?

as Secretary of State she is not allowed to express her own opinions

her opinions are given to her by the President

I thought she was a stronger woman than to bein' anyones BIOTCH.
She can be kept in her place.

i think someone has had a bit too much of the 'hair of the dog'

Hillary has a new job now. She's the Secretary of State - new job description.

I'm not crazy about the IRS. They are a necessary thorn in our sides, IMO. Taxes pay for things. How else can things get done in our society?

Thanks, Fanta.

Men shouldn't talk about women like that.

winx, let me ask you a question. what if we could still have the infrastructure that we have, roads, bridges, teachers, etc.... without having to pay taxes? would that be a better situation?

I don't think it's possible.

Hillary has a new job now. She's the Secretary of State - new job description.

Obama's BIOTCH.
New job and now she believes massacring students is ok. She referred to it as a little thing, not to hinder progress.
My values are constant. I wouldn't trade or sell them for the universe.

Obama's BIOTCH.
New job and now she believes massacring students is ok. She referred to it as a little thing, not to hinder progress.
My values are constant. I wouldn't trade or sell them for the universe.


So...if a man was the Secretary of State instead of Hillary, what disgusting thing would you be calling him?