i agree 100% smiles

i don't know how i would have acted back then...i probably would have been persecuted as well because i would have said those people are hypocrites to their beliefs

this is a different time but persecution (not in the same way) stil happens

look at the forums. it's all around. people trying to bash others and back and forth


i don't wish to see people suffer. one of the main problems that i face now is seeing loved ones suffer and i can't fix it. i struggle with my beliefs...yes. i'm human. after trying to fix everything all my life...it's not easy to give it to God. i've had talks with people on this recently

but i don't wish anyone to suffer....therefore how can it be the religious beliefs and not mankind warping it to suit their purpose?

In the end I believe it was a bad idea for much blood was shed, much hatred increased, and much tensions continued at the time.

Even today I see how Muslims and Christians don't get along screaming their heads off because Mohammed said this and Jesus said that. It is a sad part of history indeed.

Misunderstandings of what their particular holy book says can only bring more tensions.

Perhaps humans should have never been exposed to religion.

Regardless if religion exists or not, humans will always find a reason to start somekind of stupid war.

Therefore the importance of preaching the importance of peace is more dire each and every year.

people will fight about anything hun

it's the nature of the beast for some.

that's why i say it's mankind not religious beliefs. people that want to fight use it as an excuse to hide behind. that isn't right. atrocities have been committed throughout history by many beliefs...some christians did...some done to christians....some christians weren't involved in

it's really sad if you ask me

i have to go to bed. but just think about what i said. i'm religious and i'm not a bad person. i just make stupid mistakes at times but learn from them

It probably is a bit off both in many ways.

A little on religious beliefs and a little on warped minds.

Sometimes religion demands alot from a person. I tried once Muslim because I had alot of muslim friends. It was too demanding and quitted. That was a long time ago.

I tried once Buddhism and it was demanding, yet realize that I was with a very dedicated buddhist group of people who liked it that way. I ended up quitting. I have enough to worry about with making sure I take a shower each day, brush my teeth, taking care of my child, paying bills, etc. etc. lol

So in the end what I do put in is a bit of everything and create sort of my own belief system apart from everything.

A little buddhism, a little native indian spirtuality, a little Eckart Tolle or Deepak Chopra philosophy, a little Jesus, a little Wanka Tanka! lol

and just go with what I feel great with at the moment. In the end I am happy and live great. I care less if someone approves of how I practice my faith or spirituality. They can judge me all day long. In the end I am happy and that is all that matters.

Why worry? Life is over before you know it. Live life. Enjoy and explore it to the best of your ability.

I also don't believe I am a sinner, or short from glory either. I believe it is a gift for us to live here on Earth no matter how bad it gets. The gift of life, to breathe, and to really enjoy the "now" of life.

I am aware there are fundamentalists who will disagree, or tell me I am wrong, yet they don't pay my bills, they don't make me happy, and I surely don't follow their lead in such negative energies.

This is my belief system. The belief system of "John" a one man religion that didn't commit any atrocities under any religion name or group. A clean record all the way to a better afterlife

Oh no I don't believe all christians are bad. Never thought that. I mean each person is unique. I am just saying that religion has commited atrocities or at least its name was used to commit them.

and we shouldn't forget that even those who represented no religion have created atrocities also.

So the human in general is just a dangerous animal!

Next time I hope I am a dolphin away from any human living a full life of happiness

ok one more thing....then i am really going to bed lol

when i say religion/beliefs (even though i suspect others are being specific), i am talking about any beliefs...not just one. from wiccan to christianity and anything in between

alot of good people with beliefs (or non-beliefs) so no...the belief/religion doesn't do it....mankind does

anyone that commits those acts in the name of a belief is not only wrong but a coward for hiding behind it

IMO

night all

and the cosmos shall squeeze the brains into liquid, into tiny specks that know nothing and beg for mercy, causing the seeing of the arrogance that spoke evil of it's neighbor's all the day's of it's mortal life, and the sight of self shall come into view, the mirror shall glare vividly, and the seeing there was no courage nor love except for self shall blind the seeker's of self, and anything that seek even for a moment shall destroy itself, as no stanger stranger of true love shall walk the path that is to come, as nothing that truly know it be guilty of ignorance and lacking seek for itself, but rather only seek goodness with thoughts upon those it has wronged and cursed and crushed, with it's self serving agenda's of words and actions telling forth the very desire's of the naked heart.

I'm going to attempt to liken this question to a gun metaphor.... Its said that guns kill people, when in fact its the people using the guns that kill people. Or even more specific its the bullets that kill people directly or indirectly through complications such as infection. So the same is said for those who kill in the name of religion i think.

I think that is a perfect analogy. The arguments are virtually exactly the same in both cases. Both try to place blame on the tool as opposed to the wielder of the tool, arguing that "the tool could not be used for evil if it did not exist, so get rid of the tool". This is a classic example of a "solution" that addresses a side-effect instead of the true cause. And the result is always the same - the problem does not get solved, and in many cases, actually becomes worse.

The atrocities perpetrated in the name of politics are, in my opinion, much greater than those perpetrated in the name of religion. In fact, I think that so-called "religious" atrocities are virtually all politically based at their core, with "religion" being nothing but the whipping boy.

Except to own a gun does not itself give one a concept which is self fulfilling, which has supreme authority, and which has scripture that tells you to kill certain types of people for certain reasons.

Guns dont have written discourse to explain how this ultimate authority has killed millions who failed to abide by the guns laws.

Guns and religion ARE very much different.

Ideologies of ultimate authority are the only thing that gives humans the sense of righteousness for committing the act of murder.

Politics itself is not what has killed people sky. Politics is a method at arriving at ones goals.

The goals are set by ideologies.

Yes, that is the crazy thing about it. All this stuff is easily researched, but people are too lazy. They's rather believe the lie. They become comfortable with the lie. Kind of like the "Stockholm Syndrome" were you fall in love with your capture.

OK, the North and South American Indian genocide. Carried out mainly by the Vatican led Spanish and their lust for gold. The pilgrims came for religious freedom from these very same people.

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The English Encounter with the New World Natives

How vastly different was the English encounter with the New World natives. Because of the discovery of the New World by John Cabot, God chose the United Kingdom to Christianize and civilize ALL the New World people.

The last Thursday in November is a national holiday in the U.S. It is named Thanksgiving Day in honor of the Pilgrims who sailed from England in the Mayflower and landed at Plymouth Rock, Massachusetts in 1620.

The Pilgrims were sent out by that great Scot King James VI & I. They were the CHOSEN PEOPLE and unlike the Spanish they came to seek God . . . and not GOLD....As a result, God gave them the BEST land in the world as their heritage.

For the previous 100 years, the English tried to colonize the land that was discovered by John Cabot. The numerous settlements in Virginia were wiped out by the Spanish Inquisition.

It was now about 100 years since the start of the Glorious Reformation, a Protestant king from Scotland was monarch of England and under his sponsorship the masterpiece of English literature was produced called the Authorized or King James Version of the Bible.

The mighty Spanish empire upon which the sun never set was greatly weakened by the defeat of the Spanish Armada and the loss of the Netherlands. It was now time for God to plant a small outpost of His kingdom in the New World.



New World natives and Christian pilgrims shared a Thanksgiving feast together.


The New World natives welcomed the Pilgrims and taught them to grow various crops. After surviving the first harsh winter the Pilgrims gave thanks to God for the new land and the freedom from persecution.


Nov. 5th was called Pope Day in the British Colonies!!

Because of the St. Bartholomew's Day massacre, the Spanish Armada and the Gunpowder Plot, the Pilgrim Fathers hated Rome. Guy Fawkes Day on Nov. 5th was called POPE DAY in the British Colonies and was celebrated with bonfires, parades, and effigies of the Pope and the devil were burned in the pyres.


The Devastation of the Indies

Most of the New World natives in the South were not able to celebrate Thanksgiving. The vast majority of them were DEAD.... killed by the wars and diseases of the Spanish conquistadors.

They could not welcome the true Gospel brought by the Pilgrims because the Spanish Inquisition swept over the New World like a plague of locusts leaving only a desert and a wilderness in its aftermath.

Most of the New World people in the South could not feast and celebrate because they were in the land of the dead....exterminated by the ruthless Spanish conquistadors. Here is a book by an EYE-WITNESS to this Holocaust and genocide and he was not an enemy of Spain . . . but a bishop in good standing with the Hierarchy:

The Devastation of the Indies by Fray Bartolomé de Las Casas.

Fray Bartolomé de Las Casas (1474-1566).

Bartolomé was a Catholic priest and later bishop of Chiapas in Mexico. He was an advocate for the New World people and tried to prevent the Holocaust and genocide by the only weapon at his disposal —the pen.

If it wasn't for the diabolical Inquisition, he would have been the Spanish Martin Luther and would have reformed the Spanish church to the doctrines of its founder—the Apostle Paul!!


Hispaniola had 3 million people when Las Casas arrived there in 1502. 40 years later only 200 where left!!

"Yet into this sheepfold, into this land of meek outcasts there came some Spaniards who immediately behaved like ravening wild beasts, wolves, tigers, or lions that had been starved for many days. And Spaniards have behaved in no other way during the past forty years, down to the present time, for they are still acting like ravening beasts, killing, terrorizing, afflicting, torturing, and destroying the native peoples, doing all this with the strangest and most varied new methods of cruelty, never seen or heard of before, and to such a degree that this Island of Hispaniola, once so populous (having a population that I estimated to be more than three millions), has now a population of barely two hundred persons" (Devastation of the Indies, p. 29).

Padre de Las Casas said that more than 15 million died on the mainland in 40 years!!

"As for the vast mainland, which is ten times larger than all Spain, even including Aragon and Portugal, containing more land than the distance between Seville and Jerusalem, or more than two thousand leagues, we are sure that our Spaniards, with their cruel and abominable acts, have devastated the land and exterminated the rational people who fully inhabited it.

We can estimate very surely and truthfully that in the forty years that have passed, with the infernal actions of the Christians, there have been unjustly slain more than twelve million men, women, and children. In truth, I believe without trying to deceive myself that the number of the slain is more like fifteen million" (Devastation of the Indies, pp 30-31).

Father Bartolomé was very kind to the cruel conquiestadors however because the pre-Columbian population of South America was about one hundred million —100,000,000. Only about 10 million remainded after 40 years!!

"A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them" (Joel 2:3).


"[The Spaniards] took babies from their mothers' breasts, grabbing them by the feet and smashing their heads against rocks. . . . They built a long gibbet, low enough for the toes to touch the ground and prevent strangling, and hanged thirteen [natives] at a time in honor of Christ Our Saviour and the twelve Apostles. . . . Then, straw was wrapped around their torn bodies and they were burned alive."


"As the Spaniards went with their war dogs hunting down Indian men and women, it happened that a sick Indian woman who could not escape from the dogs, sought to avoid being torn apart by them, in this fashion: she took a cord and tied her year-old child to her leg, and then she hanged herself from a beam. But the dogs came and tore the child apart; before the creature expired, however, a friar baptized it."


"They would cut an Indian's hands and leave them dangling by a shred of skin. . . [and] they would test their swords and their manly strength on captured Indians and place bets on the slicing off of heads or the cutting of bodies in half with one blow. . . . [One] cruel captain traveled over many leagues, capturing all the Indians he could find. Since the Indians would not tell him who their new lord was, he cut off the hands of some and threw others to the dogs, and thus they were torn to pieces."
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The inquisition is still going on.

From my brief research it appears the the wicker man ritual was a practice of the ancient druids, but while they are analogous in that they share many traditions the wiccans and the druids are not synonymous.

No, the Druids were part of the "lost tribes" of Israel and were actually quite biblical. It is one of the reasons Christianity took off in early Britain. The Romans demonized them as they tried to stamp out the early church there.

On the subject of the Wicker Man movie. Here's some mind-controll and ritual witchcraft in another famous "atrocity".

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Another killer that seemed to be under the influence of some cabalistic or strange satanic programming was the Son of Sam Killer.

After Twelve shootings and 5 fatalities the Son Of Sam Killer was revealed to be Postal Worker David Berkowitz.

At the time of his capture, Berkowitz told police that he was carrying out the wishes of Sam, a 6,000 year old demon who gave his instructions through his neighbors black Labrador retriever named Sam.

It seemed that a Satanic force was carrying out an act of mental Masturbation during the killer's rampage. If you review the case over and over you come up with poetic chaos.

All of the victims in the murder cases were gunned down with a .44 Magnum Bulldog. Berkowitz claimed he received his orders to kill from a dog-named Sam. Sam Carr owned the Dog. Sam was Berkowitz's neighbor.

Berkowitz claimed that the Cult he dabbled in, Sacrificed animals. Obviously Berkowitz and Dogs did not get along. Many Dogs were dying in his neighborhood. Mainly on Wicker Street.

Berkowitz shot a dog-named Rocket at 18 Wicker Street. Two days Later 3 German Shepherds were found in the gutters. They were killed on Wicker Street. Donna Lauria was shot while her father Mike was bringing her pet poodle down from the apartment.

Berkowitz claimed that the Cult was ready to make the jump from animal Sacrifice to Human Sacrifice. One ancient ritual of human sacrifice was the burning of the Wicker. Humans were placed in a great Wicker man and were burned alive. This is important to consider when you realize that coincidentally during the height of the Son of Sam murders a 1973 movie was re-run at a theatre. The Movie was called the Wicker Man A few weeks later Berkowitz found himself on Wicker Street firebombing the house of Joachim Neto; the owner of the dog named Rocket. That was the dog he shot back in December of 1976.

A letter was then sent to New York Daily News Columnist Jimmy Breslin from someone who said that he had inside knowledge of the murders that were taking place. The letter ended with occult symbols and was signed "Son of Sam the Wicked King of Wicker." Berkowitz lived a block away from Wicker Street.

The people were getting scared. The murders were said to have been targeted at women with dark hair. Women were dying their hair blonde or wearing wigs.

In a letter to the Police found at the scene of the Son of Sam Murders of Valentina Suriani and Alexander Esau the killer signed off with the words: "I am the monster-Beelzebub the Chubby Behemoth."

Other strangeness followed The Son of Sam case. Six months after Berkowitz was captured, Sam Carr The owner of the black dog that allegedly spoke to Berkowitz committed suicide by shooting himself in the head with a rifle.

nothing is pure, before all pressure has been brought to bear, and the mind has been squeezed like a lemon, removing all potential's, leaving only pulp, that time's of comfort cannot produce, and only make a man decieve itself, that itself is somehow better, when the press sure ed equal environment has not yet been met.

DAVIDBEN.....what did i get kicked in the butt for??? lol

lol...

that is a secret.

augh...i'm being good lol. i didn't do it....i swear...it was abra, not me

everything is always good to me, lol...

yes, abra is guilty!!!

but, i do love him.

peace