Topic: Holder: US is nation of cowards on racial matters
Fanta46's photo
Mon 02/23/09 09:08 AM


cat...you're a doll

and of course winx is too...can't forget her


Thanks, ((Rose)). :smile: flowerforyou It's great to have you back.:banana: :banana:


OMG!!!

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Mon 02/23/09 09:10 AM



cat...you're a doll

and of course winx is too...can't forget her


Thanks, ((Rose)). :smile: flowerforyou It's great to have you back.:banana: :banana:


OMG!!!


who are you????? oh yes...the almond

remember the almond!!!!!bigsmile

feeling left out fanta????

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Mon 02/23/09 09:10 AM

cat...you're a doll

and of course winx is too...can't forget her


thank you roseflowerforyou flowerforyou
i enjoy your postsflowerforyou

Winx's photo
Mon 02/23/09 09:11 AM



cat...you're a doll

and of course winx is too...can't forget her


Thanks, ((Rose)). :smile: flowerforyou It's great to have you back.:banana: :banana:


OMG!!!


What?! laugh It's true.

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Mon 02/23/09 09:12 AM




cat...you're a doll

and of course winx is too...can't forget her


Thanks, ((Rose)). :smile: flowerforyou It's great to have you back.:banana: :banana:


OMG!!!


who are you????? oh yes...the almond

remember the almond!!!!!bigsmile

feeling left out fanta????


And you claim to be a Texan,,,,what

Fanta46's photo
Mon 02/23/09 09:13 AM
I'll bet you were born in New York City!!!laugh laugh laugh :tongue:

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Mon 02/23/09 09:14 AM
Edited by quiet_2008 on Mon 02/23/09 09:14 AM
never ask a person if they are a Texan

if they are they will tell you soon enough

if they aren't you don't want to embarass them by making them admit it

yellowrose10's photo
Mon 02/23/09 09:14 AM





cat...you're a doll

and of course winx is too...can't forget her


Thanks, ((Rose)). :smile: flowerforyou It's great to have you back.:banana: :banana:


OMG!!!


who are you????? oh yes...the almond

remember the almond!!!!!bigsmile

feeling left out fanta????


And you claim to be a Texan,,,,what


hush now....get back on topic. you left my friends network...not talking to you tongue2

Fanta46's photo
Mon 02/23/09 09:16 AM






cat...you're a doll

and of course winx is too...can't forget her


Thanks, ((Rose)). :smile: flowerforyou It's great to have you back.:banana: :banana:


OMG!!!


who are you????? oh yes...the almond

remember the almond!!!!!bigsmile

feeling left out fanta????


And you claim to be a Texan,,,,what


hush now....get back on topic. you left my friends network...not talking to you tongue2


No I didnt.
You left mine,,,

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Mon 02/23/09 09:19 AM
I believe black history month was created because blacks where consistently put down because of the color of their skin and how they lived.

It wasn't long ago that blacks couldn't go to the same rest room as whites or had to sit in certain parts of the bus, or couldn't even buy a glass of milk at a store because of their color of their skin. Just watch the harlem globetrotters history and you will get members who will tell you the stories.

They were often ridiculed throughout history as being dumb, having no credit for inventions, and show lack of morale and education. Their views where never heard and their struggles never remembered. Fortunately all of these struggles they endured interested black scholars to write about them to have them included in outdated history books. I look forward to history books that include black history in them when they were never in them before.

So in the end like I say, many scholars got together to prove whites that blacks are not dumb people and have created a great many inventions that benefited us today. What makes it amazing is they had many people doubt or resist their efforts and in the end they have still achieved greatness of the things they have discovered or invented or contributed in making this country great.

I personally as a foreigner enjoy black history month for it teaches me alot of things I never knew and suggest all Americans to participate to bring us closer as a people.

but again I enjoy every nationality and its history. Every single one fascinates me and know that it will take a lifetime to learn them all.

I sit twice a week in front of a native american chief and learn about his culture and belief system. I feel that is also important for Americans to do. To not only worry about the next big party of a nationality, but to actually understand the history and why they were done and most of all why they shouldn't be repeated.

May everyone have a great day regardless in what you belief in.

yellowrose10's photo
Mon 02/23/09 09:21 AM

I believe black history month was created because blacks where consistently put down because of the color of their skin and how they lived.

It wasn't long ago that blacks couldn't go to the same rest room as whites or had to sit in certain parts of the bus, or couldn't even buy a glass of milk at a store because of their color of their skin. Just watch the harlem globetrotters history and you will get members who will tell you the stories.

They were often ridiculed throughout history as being dumb, having no credit for inventions, and show lack of morale and education. Their views where never heard and their struggles never remembered. Fortunately all of these struggles they endured interested black scholars to write about them to have them included in outdated history books. I look forward to history books that include black history in them when they were never in them before.

So in the end like I say, many scholars got together to prove whites that blacks are not dumb people and have created a great many inventions that benefited us today. What makes it amazing is they had many people doubt or resist their efforts and in the end they have still achieved greatness of the things they have discovered or invented or contributed in making this country great.

I personally as a foreigner enjoy black history month for it teaches me alot of things I never knew and suggest all Americans to participate to bring us closer as a people.

but again I enjoy every nationality and its history. Every single one fascinates me and know that it will take a lifetime to learn them all.

I sit twice a week in front of a native american chief and learn about his culture and belief system. I feel that is also important for Americans to do. To not only worry about the next big party of a nationality, but to actually understand the history and why they were done and most of all why they shouldn't be repeated.

May everyone have a great day regardless in what you belief in.


good point smiles....see you aren't just a pretty face (kidding)

i find the way they were treated disgusting...BUT i find the way native americans were treated disgusting too

norslyman's photo
Mon 02/23/09 09:55 AM
Edited by norslyman on Mon 02/23/09 09:59 AM
This man speak with forked tongue. I no trust him. He seek to take away sacred right of people. He no care race. He just want power. Sell out own people in second.
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Eric Holder Was a Gun Control Nightmare

Friday, November 21, 2008 11:03 AM

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Barack Obama’s nomination of Eric Holder for attorney general will not sit well with advocates of Second Amendment rights — Holder has consistently championed stronger gun-control measures.

As deputy attorney general in the Bill Clinton administration from 1997 to 2001, Holder “was a strong supporter of restrictive gun control,” according to The Volokh Conspiracy, a Web site that focuses on the legal system and the courts.

He advocated federal licensing of handgun owners, a three-day waiting period on handgun sales, rationing handgun sales to no more than one per month, banning possession of handguns and so-called "assault weapons" by anyone under age 21, a gun show restriction bill that would have given the federal government the power to shut down all gun shows, and national gun registration.

“He also promoted the factoid that ‘Every day that goes by, about 12, 13 more children in this country die from gun violence’ — a statistic that is true only if one counts 18-year-old gangsters who shoot each other as ‘children,’” noted the Web site, founded by law professor Alexander Volokh.

After the 9/11 attacks, Holder wrote an opinion piece for The Washington Post arguing that a new law should give "the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms a record of every firearm sale." He also said prospective gun buyers should be checked against the secret "watch lists" compiled by various government entities.

Earlier this year, Holder — who would become the first African-American attorney general — co-signed an amicus brief in support of the District of Columbia’s ban on all handguns and on the use of any firearm for self-defense in the home.

Holder also played a key role in the snatching of 6-year-old Cuban Elian Gonzalez from his Miami relatives’ home in April 2000, according to the Web site. Gonzalez was to be sent to Cuba where his father lived.

Although a photo clearly showed a federal agent pointing a gun at the man who was holding the terrified child, Holder claimed that the federal agents sent to capture Gonzalez had acted "very sensitively."

David Kopel, author of the Volokh Conspiracy report, observed: “If Mr. Holder believes that breaking down a door with a battering ram, pointing guns at children (not just Elian), and yelling ‘Get down, get down, we'll shoot’ is an example of acting ‘very sensitively,’ his judgment about the responsible use of firearms is not as acute as would be desirable for a cabinet officer who would be in charge of thousands and thousands of armed federal agents, many of them paramilitary agents with machine guns.”

Holder has already come under fire due to his involvement in the Mark Rich pardon in the final hours of the Clinton presidency.

Billionaire Rich renounced his U.S. citizenship and moved to Switzerland to avoid prosecution for racketeering, wire fraud, tax fraud, tax evasion, and illegal trades with Iran in violation of the U.S. embargo following the 1979-80 hostage crisis.

Seventeen years later, Rich wanted a pardon, and he retained Jack Quinn, former counsel to the president, to lobby his old boss.

Holder had originally recommended Quinn to one of Rich's advisers, political analyst **** Morris reported. And he gave substantive advice to Quinn along the way.

Once the pardon was granted, Holder sent his congratulations to Quinn.


© 2008 Newsmax. All rights reserved.


How many more billionares will this man pander to? Certainly won't be helping the common man.brokenheart

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Mon 02/23/09 09:56 AM

I believe black history month was created because blacks where consistently put down because of the color of their skin and how they lived.

It wasn't long ago that blacks couldn't go to the same rest room as whites or had to sit in certain parts of the bus, or couldn't even buy a glass of milk at a store because of their color of their skin. Just watch the harlem globetrotters history and you will get members who will tell you the stories.

They were often ridiculed throughout history as being dumb, having no credit for inventions, and show lack of morale and education. Their views where never heard and their struggles never remembered. Fortunately all of these struggles they endured interested black scholars to write about them to have them included in outdated history books. I look forward to history books that include black history in them when they were never in them before.

So in the end like I say, many scholars got together to prove whites that blacks are not dumb people and have created a great many inventions that benefited us today. What makes it amazing is they had many people doubt or resist their efforts and in the end they have still achieved greatness of the things they have discovered or invented or contributed in making this country great.

I personally as a foreigner enjoy black history month for it teaches me alot of things I never knew and suggest all Americans to participate to bring us closer as a people.

but again I enjoy every nationality and its history. Every single one fascinates me and know that it will take a lifetime to learn them all.

I sit twice a week in front of a native american chief and learn about his culture and belief system. I feel that is also important for Americans to do. To not only worry about the next big party of a nationality, but to actually understand the history and why they were done and most of all why they shouldn't be repeated.

May everyone have a great day regardless in what you belief in.


Thank you.flowerforyou

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Mon 02/23/09 10:04 AM
Edited by smiless on Mon 02/23/09 10:08 AM
I have many wise mentors who offer their time in telling me what they know or have experienced.

I would like to share one of them if I may

My friend and mentor a 93 year old, half blind Miccosukee Chieftain invites me to sit next to him on weekends. He offers to talk about his culture and history of his people.

There is one phrase he mentioned that I will never forget and that is:

What is done is done. What is most important now is that we learn from what has been done so they will never be repeated again.

Well think about that for a moment.

Our forefathers no matter if right or wrong have been through these atrocities and have shown what is wrong so we can learn from them and make sure we don't repeat them.

While we don't live in a perfect world and history deems to repeat itself often doesn't mean we as a individual shouldn't try to learn from history. It actually means we should learn from history to make sure in every possible way to avoid such agony, hatred, prejudice, racism again so our children can learn to respect and love each other like brothers and sisters.

I always shed a smile when a group of 5 year olds play together. They don't sit around skeptical of a child because of the color of the skin. They simply just play with each other as if there was no color, no nationality, or anything.

I find we can learn from both old and wise men as of children of such innocence to live in happiness.

May you enjoy life to the fullest extent for it is all that we have right now.

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Mon 02/23/09 10:17 AM
who better to learn history from but by those that have lived it

beeorganic's photo
Mon 02/23/09 02:17 PM

I believe black history month was created because blacks where consistently put down because of the color of their skin and how they lived.

It wasn't long ago that blacks couldn't go to the same rest room as whites or had to sit in certain parts of the bus, or couldn't even buy a glass of milk at a store because of their color of their skin. Just watch the harlem globetrotters history and you will get members who will tell you the stories.

They were often ridiculed throughout history as being dumb, having no credit for inventions, and show lack of morale and education. Their views where never heard and their struggles never remembered. Fortunately all of these struggles they endured interested black scholars to write about them to have them included in outdated history books. I look forward to history books that include black history in them when they were never in them before.

So in the end like I say, many scholars got together to prove whites that blacks are not dumb people and have created a great many inventions that benefited us today. What makes it amazing is they had many people doubt or resist their efforts and in the end they have still achieved greatness of the things they have discovered or invented or contributed in making this country great.

I personally as a foreigner enjoy black history month for it teaches me alot of things I never knew and suggest all Americans to participate to bring us closer as a people.

but again I enjoy every nationality and its history. Every single one fascinates me and know that it will take a lifetime to learn them all.

I sit twice a week in front of a native american chief and learn about his culture and belief system. I feel that is also important for Americans to do. To not only worry about the next big party of a nationality, but to actually understand the history and why they were done and most of all why they shouldn't be repeated.

May everyone have a great day regardless in what you belief in.



So what you are saying is that Black History Month was created just for symbolic purposes. Fair assessment in my opinion. It appears in todays (US) society that image is far more important than substance anyway.

Past "perceived social injustices" have been addressed, rectified, and subsequently OVER-corrected (E.G. affirmative action programs, educational and employment quota systems). A symbolic gesture to place less qualified people in positions partially or solely due to race and allow entities like the congressional black caucus to indulge in insitutionalized racism (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0107/2389.html)

"They were often ridiculed throughout history as being dumb, having no credit for inventions, and show lack of morale and education".

Unfortunately, there is undisputeable evidence to support the above comments. As per being "dumb" there are exceptions to every stereotype regardless of race. Of course there are many great inventors that were black (E.G. George Washington Carver <incidently he did NOT invent peanut butter> and Dr. Percy Julian). One never hears about the likes of Nikola Tesla or Thomas Edison spoken in terms of great "caucasian" inventors though. Can anyone name a great Hispanic or Aboriginal American inventor off the top of their head?

In regards to showing "lack of morale" ("morals" perhaps?). Blacks are 12.9% to 14% the US population (http://www.census.gov/prod/2001pubs/c2kbr01-5.pdf). 70% of all black births are out of wedlock (I.E. illegitimate)- http://www.welfareacademy.org/conf/papers/rector_p.shtml. As per AIDS infection- "AIDS remains the leading cause of death among black women between ages 25 and 34. It's the second-leading cause of death in black men 35-44" (http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/conditions/07/29/black.aids.report/index.html). STD's in general, one in two black female teens have a STD (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2248/is_n130_v33/ai_21072034). In regards to crimes like murder, blacks commit half of them (http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm).

In education, the great college professor (and black) Walter E. Williams (http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=3655)-

"According to National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP) findings, only in writing do less than 40 percent of black high school students test "below basic." NAEP defines below basic as being unable to demonstrate even "partial mastery of prerequisite knowledge and skills that are fundamental for proficient work" at their grade. In math, 70 percent and, in science, 75 percent of black students score below basic.

Black high school graduates perform a little worse than white eighth-graders in both reading and U.S. history, and a lot worse in math and geography. The Thernstroms report, "In math and geography, indeed, they know no more than whites in the seventh grade." Finally, the Thernstroms conclude, "The employer hiring the typical black high school graduate (or the college that admits the average black student) is, in effect, choosing a youngster who has made it only through the eighth grade." (personal belief that Asians do the best academically overall)

I find it interesting that the black Eric Holder decides to choose Black History Month to discuss racial issues (other than it to be self-serving because he's black). As an American (and obviously not a coward), I'll gladly take his bait and talk about racial issues. Personally, I don't see what there is to discuss though... the numbers speak for themselves. Perhaps Mr. Holder would be better off wanting to talk about the weather.








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Mon 02/23/09 02:40 PM

who better to learn history from but by those that have lived it


Yes and this statement is exactly what the man was stating by his statement. How many of us really walk the shoes of those unlike us? The only way we can do it is to have an open dialogue with those unlike us. Most Americans live in their comfort zone and do not venture out of it. Stepping outside the box is a fearful and disconcerting experience but most who do it find that it was nothing to fear once they have done it.

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Mon 02/23/09 02:48 PM


I believe black history month was created because blacks where consistently put down because of the color of their skin and how they lived.

It wasn't long ago that blacks couldn't go to the same rest room as whites or had to sit in certain parts of the bus, or couldn't even buy a glass of milk at a store because of their color of their skin. Just watch the harlem globetrotters history and you will get members who will tell you the stories.

They were often ridiculed throughout history as being dumb, having no credit for inventions, and show lack of morale and education. Their views where never heard and their struggles never remembered. Fortunately all of these struggles they endured interested black scholars to write about them to have them included in outdated history books. I look forward to history books that include black history in them when they were never in them before.

So in the end like I say, many scholars got together to prove whites that blacks are not dumb people and have created a great many inventions that benefited us today. What makes it amazing is they had many people doubt or resist their efforts and in the end they have still achieved greatness of the things they have discovered or invented or contributed in making this country great.

I personally as a foreigner enjoy black history month for it teaches me alot of things I never knew and suggest all Americans to participate to bring us closer as a people.

but again I enjoy every nationality and its history. Every single one fascinates me and know that it will take a lifetime to learn them all.

I sit twice a week in front of a native american chief and learn about his culture and belief system. I feel that is also important for Americans to do. To not only worry about the next big party of a nationality, but to actually understand the history and why they were done and most of all why they shouldn't be repeated.

May everyone have a great day regardless in what you belief in.



So what you are saying is that Black History Month was created just for symbolic purposes. Fair assessment in my opinion. It appears in todays (US) society that image is far more important than substance anyway.

Past "perceived social injustices" have been addressed, rectified, and subsequently OVER-corrected (E.G. affirmative action programs, educational and employment quota systems). A symbolic gesture to place less qualified people in positions partially or solely due to race and allow entities like the congressional black caucus to indulge in insitutionalized racism (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0107/2389.html)

"They were often ridiculed throughout history as being dumb, having no credit for inventions, and show lack of morale and education".

Unfortunately, there is undisputeable evidence to support the above comments. As per being "dumb" there are exceptions to every stereotype regardless of race. Of course there are many great inventors that were black (E.G. George Washington Carver <incidently he did NOT invent peanut butter> and Dr. Percy Julian). One never hears about the likes of Nikola Tesla or Thomas Edison spoken in terms of great "caucasian" inventors though. Can anyone name a great Hispanic or Aboriginal American inventor off the top of their head?

In regards to showing "lack of morale" ("morals" perhaps?). Blacks are 12.9% to 14% the US population (http://www.census.gov/prod/2001pubs/c2kbr01-5.pdf). 70% of all black births are out of wedlock (I.E. illegitimate)- http://www.welfareacademy.org/conf/papers/rector_p.shtml. As per AIDS infection- "AIDS remains the leading cause of death among black women between ages 25 and 34. It's the second-leading cause of death in black men 35-44" (http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/conditions/07/29/black.aids.report/index.html). STD's in general, one in two black female teens have a STD (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2248/is_n130_v33/ai_21072034). In regards to crimes like murder, blacks commit half of them (http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm).

In education, the great college professor (and black) Walter E. Williams (http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=3655)-

"According to National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP) findings, only in writing do less than 40 percent of black high school students test "below basic." NAEP defines below basic as being unable to demonstrate even "partial mastery of prerequisite knowledge and skills that are fundamental for proficient work" at their grade. In math, 70 percent and, in science, 75 percent of black students score below basic.

Black high school graduates perform a little worse than white eighth-graders in both reading and U.S. history, and a lot worse in math and geography. The Thernstroms report, "In math and geography, indeed, they know no more than whites in the seventh grade." Finally, the Thernstroms conclude, "The employer hiring the typical black high school graduate (or the college that admits the average black student) is, in effect, choosing a youngster who has made it only through the eighth grade." (personal belief that Asians do the best academically overall)

I find it interesting that the black Eric Holder decides to choose Black History Month to discuss racial issues (other than it to be self-serving because he's black). As an American (and obviously not a coward), I'll gladly take his bait and talk about racial issues. Personally, I don't see what there is to discuss though... the numbers speak for themselves. Perhaps Mr. Holder would be better off wanting to talk about the weather.










The cut and paste, sorry if it wasn't, it looks like one, is not accurate.

Affirmative action will be required until the playing field is level and sad to say it is not. I have lived in black neighborhoods and have people who treat me as family of the black persuasion. They are still suffering discrimination, I have seen it personally. So until the playing field is level there is a reason to continue to make sure that it is given every advantage available.

I don't mean this offensively but only the truly ignorant in this country do not see the discrimination that still happens. When you sit next to someone in a waiting room and they turn to you and make a statement about how the black folks probably got seen before them because they are black or when you sit at a bus stop and a lady with a baby is sitting there and when she leaves the guy next to you states that the child was kind of "dark". I could go on and on. Everyone knows what I am talking about. How about the belief especially in the south that all government jobs are only given to blacks to placate them? Untrue but it is a common belief. Or the fact that most blacks are on welfare? A common belief among the prejudice or ignorant of the fact it is prejudice.

Dragoness's photo
Mon 02/23/09 02:52 PM


I believe black history month was created because blacks where consistently put down because of the color of their skin and how they lived.

It wasn't long ago that blacks couldn't go to the same rest room as whites or had to sit in certain parts of the bus, or couldn't even buy a glass of milk at a store because of their color of their skin. Just watch the harlem globetrotters history and you will get members who will tell you the stories.

They were often ridiculed throughout history as being dumb, having no credit for inventions, and show lack of morale and education. Their views where never heard and their struggles never remembered. Fortunately all of these struggles they endured interested black scholars to write about them to have them included in outdated history books. I look forward to history books that include black history in them when they were never in them before.

So in the end like I say, many scholars got together to prove whites that blacks are not dumb people and have created a great many inventions that benefited us today. What makes it amazing is they had many people doubt or resist their efforts and in the end they have still achieved greatness of the things they have discovered or invented or contributed in making this country great.

I personally as a foreigner enjoy black history month for it teaches me alot of things I never knew and suggest all Americans to participate to bring us closer as a people.

but again I enjoy every nationality and its history. Every single one fascinates me and know that it will take a lifetime to learn them all.

I sit twice a week in front of a native american chief and learn about his culture and belief system. I feel that is also important for Americans to do. To not only worry about the next big party of a nationality, but to actually understand the history and why they were done and most of all why they shouldn't be repeated.

May everyone have a great day regardless in what you belief in.



So what you are saying is that Black History Month was created just for symbolic purposes. Fair assessment in my opinion. It appears in todays (US) society that image is far more important than substance anyway.

Past "perceived social injustices" have been addressed, rectified, and subsequently OVER-corrected (E.G. affirmative action programs, educational and employment quota systems). A symbolic gesture to place less qualified people in positions partially or solely due to race and allow entities like the congressional black caucus to indulge in insitutionalized racism (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0107/2389.html)

"They were often ridiculed throughout history as being dumb, having no credit for inventions, and show lack of morale and education".

Unfortunately, there is undisputeable evidence to support the above comments. As per being "dumb" there are exceptions to every stereotype regardless of race. Of course there are many great inventors that were black (E.G. George Washington Carver <incidently he did NOT invent peanut butter> and Dr. Percy Julian). One never hears about the likes of Nikola Tesla or Thomas Edison spoken in terms of great "caucasian" inventors though. Can anyone name a great Hispanic or Aboriginal American inventor off the top of their head?

In regards to showing "lack of morale" ("morals" perhaps?). Blacks are 12.9% to 14% the US population (http://www.census.gov/prod/2001pubs/c2kbr01-5.pdf). 70% of all black births are out of wedlock (I.E. illegitimate)- http://www.welfareacademy.org/conf/papers/rector_p.shtml. As per AIDS infection- "AIDS remains the leading cause of death among black women between ages 25 and 34. It's the second-leading cause of death in black men 35-44" (http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/conditions/07/29/black.aids.report/index.html). STD's in general, one in two black female teens have a STD (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2248/is_n130_v33/ai_21072034). In regards to crimes like murder, blacks commit half of them (http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm).

In education, the great college professor (and black) Walter E. Williams (http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=3655)-

"According to National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP) findings, only in writing do less than 40 percent of black high school students test "below basic." NAEP defines below basic as being unable to demonstrate even "partial mastery of prerequisite knowledge and skills that are fundamental for proficient work" at their grade. In math, 70 percent and, in science, 75 percent of black students score below basic.

Black high school graduates perform a little worse than white eighth-graders in both reading and U.S. history, and a lot worse in math and geography. The Thernstroms report, "In math and geography, indeed, they know no more than whites in the seventh grade." Finally, the Thernstroms conclude, "The employer hiring the typical black high school graduate (or the college that admits the average black student) is, in effect, choosing a youngster who has made it only through the eighth grade." (personal belief that Asians do the best academically overall)

I find it interesting that the black Eric Holder decides to choose Black History Month to discuss racial issues (other than it to be self-serving because he's black). As an American (and obviously not a coward), I'll gladly take his bait and talk about racial issues. Personally, I don't see what there is to discuss though... the numbers speak for themselves. Perhaps Mr. Holder would be better off wanting to talk about the weather.










And by second glance at this article, I find it offensive. I know that the context of said material was not meant in the frame it was used in on this post. Shame on whoever switched it up like that.

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Mon 02/23/09 05:32 PM


The cut and paste, sorry if it wasn't, it looks like one, is not accurate.

Affirmative action will be required until the playing field is level and sad to say it is not. I have lived in black neighborhoods and have people who treat me as family of the black persuasion. They are still suffering discrimination, I have seen it personally. So until the playing field is level there is a reason to continue to make sure that it is given every advantage available.

I don't mean this offensively but only the truly ignorant in this country do not see the discrimination that still happens. When you sit next to someone in a waiting room and they turn to you and make a statement about how the black folks probably got seen before them because they are black or when you sit at a bus stop and a lady with a baby is sitting there and when she leaves the guy next to you states that the child was kind of "dark". I could go on and on. Everyone knows what I am talking about. How about the belief especially in the south that all government jobs are only given to blacks to placate them? Untrue but it is a common belief. Or the fact that most blacks are on welfare? A common belief among the prejudice or ignorant of the fact it is prejudice.


Your visceral emotionalism is truly touching; However, fails to address anything. "So until the playing field is level there is a reason to continue to make sure that it is given every advantage available". So who would be in charge of determing when we live in this utopian "level playing field" fantasy world? What you are saying is that people that require affirmative action programs are inferiors. These are people who can't compete for employment positions or educational opportunities on their own merits (like everyone else). You're only setting these kind of people up for disappointed and failure... making them MORE dependent upon government programs. Welfare by any other name would still cost the same.

Using discrimination to "fight" discrimination makes no sense at all (especially in college admissions).

"Killing Them With Kindness" (http://www.claremont.org/publications/pubid.392/pub_detail.asp)

"The rights to the first "I told you so" are held by Thomas Sowell (my addition- who is incidently black). He has claimed for years that affirmative action guarantees the systematic mismatching of students and colleges. Exhibit A in his argument has been the study showing that black freshman at MIT had test scores on the math portion of the college aptitude tests that were, on average, in the top 10 percent of all students in the country—but in the bottom 10 percent of all MIT freshmen'.

"The people who run MIT express their commitment to SOCIAL JUSTICE (my emphasis) by searching all over the country for black students whose credentials guarantee they would be academic stars at hundreds of colleges—and inducing them to come to one of the handful of institutions where they are likely to fall behind. As Sowell points out, one-fourth of the black freshman at MIT do indeed fail to graduate".


"Blacks are the victims of law school programs of affirmative action, not the beneficiaries." According to Stuart Taylor, Jr.'s summary of Sander's research, preferences do such a thorough job of placing black students in law schools where they are unlikely to succeed, that abolishing affirmative action in admissions would decrease the number of blacks admitted to law schools—but increase the number who graduate and pass the bar exam".

"Half of black law school students end up in the bottom tenth of their classes; two-thirds in the bottom fifth; and only 8 percent in the top half. A fifth of black law students never graduate, more than twice the dropout rate of whites. According to Taylor, "More than 40 percent of entering black law students never pass the bar and never become lawyers. Blacks are four times as likely as whites to fail their first bar exams and six times as likely to fail on each of five successive attempts."

Only those who find the truth/facts offensive are truly the ignorant ones.