Topic: Obama orders more troops to Afghanistan
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Thu 02/19/09 09:37 AM


I just posted the past. MISTAKES,,,

Show me one place, so far, where Obama is repeating Bush's BS!

Many on here want him to, not you driven, but so far he hasnt.


frustrated

I was talking in general...not specifically


Drivin was the one who said Obama was repeating Bush's mistakes. I think the post was aimed toward him.

yellowrose10's photo
Thu 02/19/09 09:39 AM



I just posted the past. MISTAKES,,,

Show me one place, so far, where Obama is repeating Bush's BS!

Many on here want him to, not you driven, but so far he hasnt.


frustrated

I was talking in general...not specifically


Drivin was the one who said Obama was repeating Bush's mistakes. I think the post was aimed toward him.


may have...mine wasn't. mine was in general

adj4u's photo
Thu 02/19/09 09:40 AM


I just posted the past. MISTAKES,,,

Show me one place, so far, where Obama is repeating Bush's BS!

Many on here want him to, not you driven, but so far he hasnt.


frustrated

I was talking in general...not specifically




he has decided bush presidency secretes will be kept secret

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WASHINGTON -- Despite President Obama's vow to open government more than ever, the Justice Department is defending Bush administration decisions to keep secret many documents about domestic wiretapping, data collection on travelers and U.S. citizens, and interrogation of suspected terroris

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/nation/s_612023.html

Fanta46's photo
Thu 02/19/09 09:58 AM
Edited by Fanta46 on Thu 02/19/09 10:04 AM



I just posted the past. MISTAKES,,,

Show me one place, so far, where Obama is repeating Bush's BS!

Many on here want him to, not you driven, but so far he hasnt.


frustrated

I was talking in general...not specifically


Drivin was the one who said Obama was repeating Bush's mistakes. I think the post was aimed toward him.


Driven wants to dismantle the entire system and start over.
He knows Bush's way was the wrong way. He just cant bring himself to trust gov, period!

I was talking to the Obama critics who want to continue Bush's Policies.
Tax-breaks to the rich in hopes of trickle down.
Favoring corporations over the people.
Punishing for mistakes instead of aiding improvement.
Toward all the self-proclaimed economist who think they know better than 9-out of-ten highly educated professional economists.

Drivinmenutz's photo
Thu 02/19/09 10:17 AM
Edited by Drivinmenutz on Thu 02/19/09 10:31 AM

I just posted the past. MISTAKES,,,

Show me one place, so far, where Obama is repeating Bush's BS!

Many on here want him to, not you driven, but so far he hasnt.


I'm glad you see that i don't want him to fail, nor make mistakes. I do acknowledge the fact that thre needs to be some slack as we are all human and mistakes are inevitable.

But:

Obama voted to reinstate the Patriot Act. This was before he got into office i believe. This is mistake number 1.

Reinforcement of Afganistan. I believe whole-heartedly that his foreign policy mirrors Bush's in the sense that he also believes we are the world police and it is our rsponsibility, and money, that should keep everyone "in check". This is mistake number 2.

Mistake number 3 involves this stimulus. Shoving an 800 page document through congress before it can be properly thought through is a Bush tactic. Maybe it was niether bush's nor Obama's fault. Perhaps it was the democratic senate bringing this about...



On a side note:

The whole system dosen't need to be thrown out. That was just me ranting. What needs to happen is executive order 11110 of JFK's needs to be reinstated to allow the government to bypass the Federal Reserve. This will help us in the short run. In fact, this is the only way a stimulus package could truely help.

An alternate currency, an American Currency backed by gold and silver needs to be put back into circulation. Eventually this will phase out our Fiat currency and our economy will be stabalized. Only then can we pay off our debt, so taxes can be lowered, and people can get more spending cash. Only then will increasing the number of jobs truely help.

Eventually the Federal Reserve will be run out of business. This is essential for a working economy.

For those that question any highly educated economic expert, you will most likely find they agree.

I would REALLY like to talk to the ones that disagree because i would like to honestly see where i am wrong. So far i cannot find information that shows me a different way the system works.

Drivinmenutz's photo
Thu 02/19/09 10:27 AM

drivin...isn't that like a shoulda woulda coulda? I know personally I have done things that later I thought...what was I thinking. lol ok that tends to happen alot

no one can predict the future (maybe some can dunno) but you are right. we have to learn from the past so history doesn't repeat itself


Yup. I can see where we want to get involved in the beginning. Problem is that it causes more problems than it resolves. To learn from this is to pull troops out of Afganistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Kuwait, Sudan, etc. Concentrate on defense rather than offense. IF and when we get attacked again, we attack the source with everything we got, then leave. They can rebuild themselves. Gotta keep it simple. We are a large force, so tactically we will win on the conventional war front. UNconventionally we are at a disadvantage.

But, if our foreign policy has failed us, we need to ask why. Than we need to address the problem. That means CHANGING our foriegn policy. No more nation building.


adj4u's photo
Thu 02/19/09 10:58 AM



I just posted the past. MISTAKES,,,

Show me one place, so far, where Obama is repeating Bush's BS!

Many on here want him to, not you driven, but so far he hasnt.


frustrated

I was talking in general...not specifically




he has decided bush presidency secretes will be kept secret

--------------------------------------

WASHINGTON -- Despite President Obama's vow to open government more than ever, the Justice Department is defending Bush administration decisions to keep secret many documents about domestic wiretapping, data collection on travelers and U.S. citizens, and interrogation of suspected terroris

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/nation/s_612023.html



interesting

no comment on something he fails to do

nogames39's photo
Thu 02/19/09 11:12 AM



he has decided bush presidency secretes will be kept secret

--------------------------------------

WASHINGTON -- Despite President Obama's vow to open government more than ever, the Justice Department is defending Bush administration decisions to keep secret many documents about domestic wiretapping, data collection on travelers and U.S. citizens, and interrogation of suspected terroris

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/nation/s_612023.html


Hahaha... so much for the Obama, the fair! I was giving him a credit thinking he is going to open up the archives, but I guess, he is only another chimp, not a champ as many had expected him to be.

What a let down. That's right Obama, fnck the people, care most about your real friends!

Drivinmenutz's photo
Thu 02/19/09 12:20 PM




I just posted the past. MISTAKES,,,

Show me one place, so far, where Obama is repeating Bush's BS!

Many on here want him to, not you driven, but so far he hasnt.


frustrated

I was talking in general...not specifically




he has decided bush presidency secretes will be kept secret

--------------------------------------

WASHINGTON -- Despite President Obama's vow to open government more than ever, the Justice Department is defending Bush administration decisions to keep secret many documents about domestic wiretapping, data collection on travelers and U.S. citizens, and interrogation of suspected terroris

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/nation/s_612023.html



interesting

no comment on something he fails to do


Wow, ok, i was totally giving him credit for the transparency. Now i must read...

Drivinmenutz's photo
Thu 02/19/09 12:35 PM




I just posted the past. MISTAKES,,,

Show me one place, so far, where Obama is repeating Bush's BS!

Many on here want him to, not you driven, but so far he hasnt.


frustrated

I was talking in general...not specifically


Drivin was the one who said Obama was repeating Bush's mistakes. I think the post was aimed toward him.


Driven wants to dismantle the entire system and start over.
He knows Bush's way was the wrong way. He just cant bring himself to trust gov, period!

I was talking to the Obama critics who want to continue Bush's Policies.
Tax-breaks to the rich in hopes of trickle down.
Favoring corporations over the people.
Punishing for mistakes instead of aiding improvement.
Toward all the self-proclaimed economist who think they know better than 9-out of-ten highly educated professional economists.


Yeah, i say you got me there Fanta.drinker drinker drinker


But i do think i fall under the catagory of the people who question 9 out of 10 educated economics professionals, despite my lack of an economics degree. frustrated

AndrewAV's photo
Thu 02/19/09 06:16 PM

I just posted the past. MISTAKES,,,

Show me one place, so far, where Obama is repeating Bush's BS!

Many on here want him to, not you driven, but so far he hasnt.


overspending.

Atlantis75's photo
Thu 02/19/09 06:20 PM
Edited by Atlantis75 on Thu 02/19/09 06:21 PM
I have a hard time understanding how this Afghanistan war is supposed to provide any security benefits for USA.

None of the hijackers were from Afghanistan, neither Iraqi nor Iranian.

All came from Saudi-Arabia, even Bin Laden is a Saudi.

yellowrose10's photo
Thu 02/19/09 08:38 PM
tell you guys what....I'll go over there and I just need a victim (ummmmm volunteer) to make me mad and I'll take care of all of them

I'm cheaper than sending our soldiers:banana:

Dragoness's photo
Thu 02/19/09 08:53 PM
Edited by Dragoness on Thu 02/19/09 08:54 PM
Considering that most of what has been said here about Obama is accusing him of being Bush, the man has only been in office for 4 weeks, damn, give him a chance.

You gave the dictator elitist Bush 8 years to create the mess, give Obama a chance to see if what the experts have told him to do is right.

Dragoness's photo
Thu 02/19/09 09:04 PM

I have a hard time understanding how this Afghanistan war is supposed to provide any security benefits for USA.

None of the hijackers were from Afghanistan, neither Iraqi nor Iranian.

All came from Saudi-Arabia, even Bin Laden is a Saudi.


You are correct. Last information put bin laden on the border between Afghan and Paki so that is where they are trying to look but Afghan has been a mess for a long time. At least we are trying to find the perpetrator of 9/11 finally after all the lost innocent lives we have caused elsewhere.

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Thu 02/19/09 09:59 PM




I just posted the past. MISTAKES,,,

Show me one place, so far, where Obama is repeating Bush's BS!

Many on here want him to, not you driven, but so far he hasnt.


frustrated

I was talking in general...not specifically


Drivin was the one who said Obama was repeating Bush's mistakes. I think the post was aimed toward him.


Driven wants to dismantle the entire system and start over.
He knows Bush's way was the wrong way. He just cant bring himself to trust gov, period!

I was talking to the Obama critics who want to continue Bush's Policies.
Tax-breaks to the rich in hopes of trickle down.
Favoring corporations over the people.
Punishing for mistakes instead of aiding improvement.
Toward all the self-proclaimed economist who think they know better than 9-out of-ten highly educated professional economists.

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What a joke. The 9 out of ten are the same ones that had a part in getting us in this mess in the first place. Paulson, Geitner, Summers - please, these guys and their other buddy hairbrain "highly educated economic professionals " have run the system for 10 years or more. Alan Greenspan should be jailed.

Corporations and "rich people" provide a lot of jobs. Don't worry, it's only trickle down unemployment.

And it seems the head of Obama's economic advisory board is upset:

"Paul Volcker has grown increasingly frustrated over delays in setting up the economic advisory group President Barack Obama picked the former Federal Reserve chairman to lead, people familiar with the matter said.
Volcker, 81, blames Obama’s National Economic Council Director Lawrence Summers for slowing down the effort to organize the panel of outside advisers, the people said. Summers isn’t regularly inviting Volcker to White House meetings and hasn’t shown interest in collaborating on policy or sharing potential solutions to the economic crisis, they said. "

http://www.economicpopulist.org/?q=content/obama-chief-economist-larry-summers-stages-coup-detat
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All efforts should have been directed towards coming up with a effective plan for bank stability. Nationalization of the banks will double or triple unemployment from where it is now. Investors will never forgive such a move. Investors will pull capital from the auto makers and airlines and businesses will be strapped to raise capital for many years. Again, don't worry. It's only trickle down unemployment.

Fanta46's photo
Thu 02/19/09 10:49 PM
Edited by Fanta46 on Thu 02/19/09 10:50 PM




I just posted the past. MISTAKES,,,

Show me one place, so far, where Obama is repeating Bush's BS!

Many on here want him to, not you driven, but so far he hasnt.


frustrated

I was talking in general...not specifically




he has decided bush presidency secretes will be kept secret

--------------------------------------

WASHINGTON -- Despite President Obama's vow to open government more than ever, the Justice Department is defending Bush administration decisions to keep secret many documents about domestic wiretapping, data collection on travelers and U.S. citizens, and interrogation of suspected terroris

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/nation/s_612023.html



interesting

no comment on something he fails to do


Did you even read this article yourself?

I dont think you did. Either that or you failed to comprehend what you read.

Despite President Obama's vow to open government more than ever, the Justice Department is defending Bush administration decisions to keep secret many documents about domestic wiretapping, data collection on travelers and U.S. citizens, and interrogation of suspected terrorists.

In six lawsuits, Justice lawyers have opposed formal motions or spurned out-of-court offers to delay court action until the new administration rewrites Freedom of Information Act guidelines and decides whether the new rules might allow the public to see more.

Obama is not Bush. A president, despite the example of Bush, can not, is not allowed to politicize the Justice Department.
This is not Obama trying to keep Bush's secrets, its the Justice Department.
Get it??
drinker

adj4u's photo
Fri 02/20/09 06:20 AM





I just posted the past. MISTAKES,,,

Show me one place, so far, where Obama is repeating Bush's BS!

Many on here want him to, not you driven, but so far he hasnt.


frustrated

I was talking in general...not specifically




he has decided bush presidency secretes will be kept secret

--------------------------------------

WASHINGTON -- Despite President Obama's vow to open government more than ever, the Justice Department is defending Bush administration decisions to keep secret many documents about domestic wiretapping, data collection on travelers and U.S. citizens, and interrogation of suspected terroris

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/nation/s_612023.html



interesting

no comment on something he fails to do


Did you even read this article yourself?

I dont think you did. Either that or you failed to comprehend what you read.

Despite President Obama's vow to open government more than ever, the Justice Department is defending Bush administration decisions to keep secret many documents about domestic wiretapping, data collection on travelers and U.S. citizens, and interrogation of suspected terrorists.

In six lawsuits, Justice lawyers have opposed formal motions or spurned out-of-court offers to delay court action until the new administration rewrites Freedom of Information Act guidelines and decides whether the new rules might allow the public to see more.

Obama is not Bush. A president, despite the example of Bush, can not, is not allowed to politicize the Justice Department.
This is not Obama trying to keep Bush's secrets, its the Justice Department.
Get it??
drinker


i read it

and i seen that

in spite of his vow to it is not happening

is what it says

obamas justice dept wants legislation changed b4 they will do anything

in actuality that is a good thing

maybe it will lead to repealing the (un) patriot act

why is it that it was assumed a negative post

we shall see

he has enough power in congress to do almost any good thing he wants --- i hope he wants to do good

very good hummingbird

hhhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

:wink: drinker drinker drinker


nogames39's photo
Fri 02/20/09 10:16 AM
If Obama manages to open all the sealed documents ( I am eager to read on JFK, Bush, 911, MLK, Pearl Harbor, CIA), then I will say he did a great thing.

However, currently it is "despite his vows"?

"Despite the vows of his son to become the greatest hunter ever, the game, the damn game just wasn't coming into his traps."

Lynann's photo
Fri 02/20/09 10:20 AM
Anyone who doesn't realize, both Obama supporters and detractors, that this is a complex issue that needs to be handled on a case by case basis (for existing cases) really is quite simple minded.

New policies and their implications...well...why try...