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Topic: Obama
Winx's photo
Tue 02/17/09 07:24 AM

im dismayed at Americas choice for president, while it is very very political correct and stuff, it is not going to help facts.

he has ties to many people who hate Americans or hate America.
this was never bought up by the media, it is posserble, that he isent even an american citizen , somthing btw i had to work for, and very very proud to call my self a usa citizen.

When did America go soft??? what has happend to this great country of our's we call America?

When will the American people wake up to the fact America could turn into a faciest country?
And by god I would hate to be in the goverment when the American people do wake up to what has happand to them.





He is an American citizen. It's been proven. He was born in Hawaii.


Winx's photo
Tue 02/17/09 07:26 AM


I posted all the links.
To the Director of the outreach program who stated she lied.
To the Tax Assesors Office and even a copy of her Deed.
If you didn't bother following up or speaking with Ms. Johnson in Ft. Meyers, then, you can keep your closed mind and not lift the wool from over your eyes.


I am the farthest thing from a sheeple. I have read your posts. I have seen nothing else about it. That is not enough proof for me.

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Tue 02/17/09 07:52 AM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Tue 02/17/09 08:01 AM


im dismayed at Americas choice for president, while it is very very political correct and stuff, it is not going to help facts.

he has ties to many people who hate Americans or hate America.
this was never bought up by the media, it is posserble, that he isent even an american citizen , somthing btw i had to work for, and very very proud to call my self a usa citizen.

When did America go soft??? what has happend to this great country of our's we call America?

When will the American people wake up to the fact America could turn into a faciest country?
And by god I would hate to be in the goverment when the American people do wake up to what has happand to them.





He is an American citizen. It's been proven. He was born in Hawaii.




Did I miss something? Last I heard the courts said he didn't have to appear to answer the charges because of the election. The document submitted was not a certificate of live birth but rather an affidavit of birth (he said, she said, and I swear to it). Correct me if I'm wrong somebody?

I don't care about a mans color, religion or creed, but I do care if he is an American or not and the caliber of his character.

willing2's photo
Tue 02/17/09 08:07 AM


im dismayed at Americas choice for president, while it is very very political correct and stuff, it is not going to help facts.

he has ties to many people who hate Americans or hate America.
this was never bought up by the media, it is posserble, that he isent even an american citizen , somthing btw i had to work for, and very very proud to call my self a usa citizen.

When did America go soft??? what has happend to this great country of our's we call America?

When will the American people wake up to the fact America could turn into a faciest country?
And by god I would hate to be in the goverment when the American people do wake up to what has happand to them.





He is an American citizen. It's been proven. He was born in Hawaii.



I guess, either Yobama isn't very close to his Kenyan family or he lied about this;

Report: Obama's aunt living in U.S. illegally
Nov. 1: The Associated Press reports that the aunt of Sen. Barack Obama was denied asylum by a judge four years ago and that the Kenyan woman has been living illegally in a Boston neighborhood.

NBC News Channel

Now, if the whole country knows where she lives, I would imagine Immigration would also. Wonder if she's been deported yet?

Drivinmenutz's photo
Tue 02/17/09 08:42 AM
Whether his citizenship is of importance or not, i still wonder what people see in him. What has he changed in the big picture so far? How has he stood up for the republic? What has he done to help us economically?

Here's a biggy...what plans did he ever have that would "change" our country and how we live?

I don't seem to remember getting an answer before.

There are so many arguments against him, and so many for him. Just like Bush, Clinton, Bush, Regan, Carter, etc.

My problem is that people focus more on form allegiences with parties more than they focus on the individuals themselves. They also focus more on finding ways to blame eachother instead of researching the source of the problems we are having.

Forget completely about what the democrats say, or the republicans, or anyone on the news.

We all seem to agree there is something wrong with this country. Start with the symptoms, then seek out the disease. Then you seek treatments.

no photo
Tue 02/17/09 08:50 AM
Edited by voileazur on Tue 02/17/09 08:52 AM
This is truly an 'intellectually bankcrupt thread'!

A whole bunch of sad and shameless 'Obama' haters, writing way above their fair worth.

Regardless of your personal 'opinions' about the man, and whether you voted aganst him, or didn't vote at all,

... Barack Obama, born of the womb of an American citizen,

IS AMERICAN!!!

and,

WAS ABSOLUTELY DEMOCRATICALLY VOTED AS THE THE 44TH PRESIDENT OF THE USA!!!

Futhermore, after less then a month in office, how can 'the man is an idiot' attitude have any credibility whatsover.

Raise the bar some.

Drop your shameless 'subjective opinions', and bail-out this intellectually bankcrupt thread!!!

Drivinmenutz's photo
Tue 02/17/09 08:56 AM

This is truly an 'intellectually bankcrupt thread'!

A whole bunch of sad and shameless 'Obama' haters, writing way above their fair worth.

Regardless of your personal 'opinions' about the man, and whether you voted aganst him, or didn't vote at all,

... Barack Obama, born of the womb of an American citizen,

IS AMERICAN!!!

and,

IS ABSOLUTELY THE PRESIDENT OF THE USA!!!

Futhermore, after less then a month in office, how can 'the man is an idiot' attitude have any credibility whatsover.

Raise the bar some.

Drop your shameless 'subjective opinions', and bail-out this intellectually bankcrupt thread!!!



So far there is no reason to defend or disrespect him.

My point, is there is no difference between what either party wants. I don't dislike Obama any more than i disliked Bush.

But it seems that 50% of the people blame everything on republicans these days. Another 30% blame everything in democrats. Only 20% actually care about what's going on.

The truth is, no action in the last 20 years has had any major impact on our economy. Nothing has changed about our foriegn policy in the last 60 years. These are the things people are complaining about. This is what people need to research.

No more party alliences. They go against logic.

Fanta46's photo
Tue 02/17/09 09:06 AM

This is truly an 'intellectually bankcrupt thread'!

A whole bunch of sad and shameless 'Obama' haters, writing way above their fair worth.

Regardless of your personal 'opinions' about the man, and whether you voted aganst him, or didn't vote at all,

... Barack Obama, born of the womb of an American citizen,

IS AMERICAN!!!

and,

WAS ABSOLUTELY DEMOCRATICALLY VOTED AS THE THE 44TH PRESIDENT OF THE USA!!!

Futhermore, after less then a month in office, how can 'the man is an idiot' attitude have any credibility whatsover.

Raise the bar some.

Drop your shameless 'subjective opinions', and bail-out this intellectually bankcrupt thread!!!


laugh laugh laugh laugh
Good luck with that my friend!drinker

Winx's photo
Tue 02/17/09 10:43 AM

Whether his citizenship is of importance or not, i still wonder what people see in him. What has he changed in the big picture so far? How has he stood up for the republic? What has he done to help us economically?

Here's a biggy...what plans did he ever have that would "change" our country and how we live?

I don't seem to remember getting an answer before.

There are so many arguments against him, and so many for him. Just like Bush, Clinton, Bush, Regan, Carter, etc.

My problem is that people focus more on form allegiences with parties more than they focus on the individuals themselves. They also focus more on finding ways to blame eachother instead of researching the source of the problems we are having.

Forget completely about what the democrats say, or the republicans, or anyone on the news.

We all seem to agree there is something wrong with this country. Start with the symptoms, then seek out the disease. Then you seek treatments.


And how long has he been President? And you're asking, "What has he changed in the big picture so far?" He just started the job. Let's give him a chance.

Winx's photo
Tue 02/17/09 10:44 AM
Edited by Winx on Tue 02/17/09 10:44 AM



im dismayed at Americas choice for president, while it is very very political correct and stuff, it is not going to help facts.

he has ties to many people who hate Americans or hate America.
this was never bought up by the media, it is posserble, that he isent even an american citizen , somthing btw i had to work for, and very very proud to call my self a usa citizen.

When did America go soft??? what has happend to this great country of our's we call America?

When will the American people wake up to the fact America could turn into a faciest country?
And by god I would hate to be in the goverment when the American people do wake up to what has happand to them.





He is an American citizen. It's been proven. He was born in Hawaii.



I guess, either Yobama isn't very close to his Kenyan family or he lied about this;

Report: Obama's aunt living in U.S. illegally
Nov. 1: The Associated Press reports that the aunt of Sen. Barack Obama was denied asylum by a judge four years ago and that the Kenyan woman has been living illegally in a Boston neighborhood.

NBC News Channel

Now, if the whole country knows where she lives, I would imagine Immigration would also. Wonder if she's been deported yet?


And...what does this have to do with him being an American citizen?

Yobama?slaphead


Winx's photo
Tue 02/17/09 10:47 AM



im dismayed at Americas choice for president, while it is very very political correct and stuff, it is not going to help facts.

he has ties to many people who hate Americans or hate America.
this was never bought up by the media, it is posserble, that he isent even an american citizen , somthing btw i had to work for, and very very proud to call my self a usa citizen.

When did America go soft??? what has happend to this great country of our's we call America?

When will the American people wake up to the fact America could turn into a faciest country?
And by god I would hate to be in the goverment when the American people do wake up to what has happand to them.





He is an American citizen. It's been proven. He was born in Hawaii.




Did I miss something? Last I heard the courts said he didn't have to appear to answer the charges because of the election. The document submitted was not a certificate of live birth but rather an affidavit of birth (he said, she said, and I swear to it). Correct me if I'm wrong somebody?

I don't care about a mans color, religion or creed, but I do care if he is an American or not and the caliber of his character.


Born to an American mother in Hawaii. The hospital in Hawaii has the birth certificate.

willing2's photo
Tue 02/17/09 11:47 AM




im dismayed at Americas choice for president, while it is very very political correct and stuff, it is not going to help facts.

he has ties to many people who hate Americans or hate America.
this was never bought up by the media, it is posserble, that he isent even an american citizen , somthing btw i had to work for, and very very proud to call my self a usa citizen.

When did America go soft??? what has happend to this great country of our's we call America?

When will the American people wake up to the fact America could turn into a faciest country?
And by god I would hate to be in the goverment when the American people do wake up to what has happand to them.





He is an American citizen. It's been proven. He was born in Hawaii.




Did I miss something? Last I heard the courts said he didn't have to appear to answer the charges because of the election. The document submitted was not a certificate of live birth but rather an affidavit of birth (he said, she said, and I swear to it). Correct me if I'm wrong somebody?

I don't care about a mans color, religion or creed, but I do care if he is an American or not and the caliber of his character.


Born to an American mother in Hawaii. The hospital in Hawaii has the birth certificate.

That's what you say. Prove it
And what about the Aunt that is here Illegally???

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Tue 02/17/09 11:59 AM




im dismayed at Americas choice for president, while it is very very political correct and stuff, it is not going to help facts.

he has ties to many people who hate Americans or hate America.
this was never bought up by the media, it is posserble, that he isent even an american citizen , somthing btw i had to work for, and very very proud to call my self a usa citizen.

When did America go soft??? what has happend to this great country of our's we call America?

When will the American people wake up to the fact America could turn into a faciest country?
And by god I would hate to be in the goverment when the American people do wake up to what has happand to them.





He is an American citizen. It's been proven. He was born in Hawaii.




Did I miss something? Last I heard the courts said he didn't have to appear to answer the charges because of the election. The document submitted was not a certificate of live birth but rather an affidavit of birth (he said, she said, and I swear to it). Correct me if I'm wrong somebody?

I don't care about a mans color, religion or creed, but I do care if he is an American or not and the caliber of his character.


Born to an American mother in Hawaii. The hospital in Hawaii has the birth certificate.


Again, it was my understanding that "birth records were distroyed or lost" so an affidavit of birth had to be issued. That was the whole reason for the controversy in the first place. The question of legality because school records and other records refuted that claim.

Winx's photo
Tue 02/17/09 12:02 PM





im dismayed at Americas choice for president, while it is very very political correct and stuff, it is not going to help facts.

he has ties to many people who hate Americans or hate America.
this was never bought up by the media, it is posserble, that he isent even an american citizen , somthing btw i had to work for, and very very proud to call my self a usa citizen.

When did America go soft??? what has happend to this great country of our's we call America?

When will the American people wake up to the fact America could turn into a faciest country?
And by god I would hate to be in the goverment when the American people do wake up to what has happand to them.





He is an American citizen. It's been proven. He was born in Hawaii.




Did I miss something? Last I heard the courts said he didn't have to appear to answer the charges because of the election. The document submitted was not a certificate of live birth but rather an affidavit of birth (he said, she said, and I swear to it). Correct me if I'm wrong somebody?

I don't care about a mans color, religion or creed, but I do care if he is an American or not and the caliber of his character.


Born to an American mother in Hawaii. The hospital in Hawaii has the birth certificate.


Again, it was my understanding that "birth records were distroyed or lost" so an affidavit of birth had to be issued. That was the whole reason for the controversy in the first place. The question of legality because school records and other records refuted that claim.


http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

no photo
Tue 02/17/09 12:06 PM


Whether his citizenship is of importance or not, i still wonder what people see in him. What has he changed in the big picture so far? How has he stood up for the republic? What has he done to help us economically?

Here's a biggy...what plans did he ever have that would "change" our country and how we live?

I don't seem to remember getting an answer before.

There are so many arguments against him, and so many for him. Just like Bush, Clinton, Bush, Regan, Carter, etc.

My problem is that people focus more on form allegiences with parties more than they focus on the individuals themselves. They also focus more on finding ways to blame eachother instead of researching the source of the problems we are having.

Forget completely about what the democrats say, or the republicans, or anyone on the news.

We all seem to agree there is something wrong with this country. Start with the symptoms, then seek out the disease. Then you seek treatments.


And how long has he been President? And you're asking, "What has he changed in the big picture so far?" He just started the job. Let's give him a chance.


It's no use arguing. Those who hate him are going to hate him no matter what they do. They're not going to give him a chance to do anything. They're going to assume since he was not able to perform magic and clean up everything from the very beginning that he's not a good president. Apparently he was supposed to perform a miracle as soon as he took office.

Winx's photo
Tue 02/17/09 12:10 PM



Whether his citizenship is of importance or not, i still wonder what people see in him. What has he changed in the big picture so far? How has he stood up for the republic? What has he done to help us economically?

Here's a biggy...what plans did he ever have that would "change" our country and how we live?

I don't seem to remember getting an answer before.

There are so many arguments against him, and so many for him. Just like Bush, Clinton, Bush, Regan, Carter, etc.

My problem is that people focus more on form allegiences with parties more than they focus on the individuals themselves. They also focus more on finding ways to blame eachother instead of researching the source of the problems we are having.

Forget completely about what the democrats say, or the republicans, or anyone on the news.

We all seem to agree there is something wrong with this country. Start with the symptoms, then seek out the disease. Then you seek treatments.


And how long has he been President? And you're asking, "What has he changed in the big picture so far?" He just started the job. Let's give him a chance.


It's no use arguing. Those who hate him are going to hate him no matter what they do. They're not going to give him a chance to do anything. They're going to assume since he was not able to perform magic and clean up everything from the very beginning that he's not a good president. Apparently he was supposed to perform a miracle as soon as he took office.


I forget. slaphead They think he's the Savior or something.

I'm a realist. I know it's going to get worse before it gets better. I know he inherited the biggest mess since the Great Depression and wars too. Sheesh...he's trying and he's only been on the job for a month.

Winx's photo
Tue 02/17/09 12:11 PM
More about his birth certificate:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp

willing2's photo
Tue 02/17/09 12:18 PM






im dismayed at Americas choice for president, while it is very very political correct and stuff, it is not going to help facts.

he has ties to many people who hate Americans or hate America.
this was never bought up by the media, it is posserble, that he isent even an american citizen , somthing btw i had to work for, and very very proud to call my self a usa citizen.

When did America go soft??? what has happend to this great country of our's we call America?

When will the American people wake up to the fact America could turn into a faciest country?
And by god I would hate to be in the goverment when the American people do wake up to what has happand to them.





He is an American citizen. It's been proven. He was born in Hawaii.




Did I miss something? Last I heard the courts said he didn't have to appear to answer the charges because of the election. The document submitted was not a certificate of live birth but rather an affidavit of birth (he said, she said, and I swear to it). Correct me if I'm wrong somebody?

I don't care about a mans color, religion or creed, but I do care if he is an American or not and the caliber of his character.


Born to an American mother in Hawaii. The hospital in Hawaii has the birth certificate.


Again, it was my understanding that "birth records were distroyed or lost" so an affidavit of birth had to be issued. That was the whole reason for the controversy in the first place. The question of legality because school records and other records refuted that claim.


http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

Anyone can set up a web site to look like an official Gov. site.
$25.00 and a self-addressed stamped envelope will get anyone the same copy.
I see no credibility with their statements.
Why would Kenya also claimed to have sealed his birth records?

You still are evading responding about his Aunt who is here Illegally?

Winx's photo
Tue 02/17/09 12:22 PM







im dismayed at Americas choice for president, while it is very very political correct and stuff, it is not going to help facts.

he has ties to many people who hate Americans or hate America.
this was never bought up by the media, it is posserble, that he isent even an american citizen , somthing btw i had to work for, and very very proud to call my self a usa citizen.

When did America go soft??? what has happend to this great country of our's we call America?

When will the American people wake up to the fact America could turn into a faciest country?
And by god I would hate to be in the goverment when the American people do wake up to what has happand to them.





He is an American citizen. It's been proven. He was born in Hawaii.




Did I miss something? Last I heard the courts said he didn't have to appear to answer the charges because of the election. The document submitted was not a certificate of live birth but rather an affidavit of birth (he said, she said, and I swear to it). Correct me if I'm wrong somebody?

I don't care about a mans color, religion or creed, but I do care if he is an American or not and the caliber of his character.


Born to an American mother in Hawaii. The hospital in Hawaii has the birth certificate.


Again, it was my understanding that "birth records were distroyed or lost" so an affidavit of birth had to be issued. That was the whole reason for the controversy in the first place. The question of legality because school records and other records refuted that claim.


http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

Anyone can set up a web site to look like an official Gov. site.
$25.00 and a self-addressed stamped envelope will get anyone the same copy.
I see no credibility with their statements.
Why would Kenya also claimed to have sealed his birth records?

You still are evading responding about his Aunt who is here Illegally?


I've been talking about Obama's birth certificate. I haven't been discussing his Aunt. That's immigration's problem.

Also, Obama's birth certificate is good enough for SCOTUS.

Winx's photo
Tue 02/17/09 12:24 PM
I guess that you don't know about FactCheck and Snopes. They are the best unbiased sources of facts.

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