Topic: Witchcraft and Shamanism - part 2
Alverdine's photo
Fri 03/27/09 06:39 AM
Getting back on the topic of dreams and dreaming, do you ever have noises or things from the waking world creep into your dreams? Like say you are in REM stage but your clock radio goes off and the music enters the dream in some sort of context? I had that happen about two days ago. Its very strange. Since the song kind of reminded me of a person from the past, there they were in the dream. It was most pleasant but then my cat jumped on my head and that was the end of it. laugh

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Fri 03/27/09 01:14 PM
Oh yes. I get those when my phone is ringing and I dream that I'm answering it... and it just keeps ringing so I'm confused laugh laugh

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Fri 03/27/09 02:58 PM
So, how many of you know who's calling before you answer the phone? Or even before the phone rings?

Alverdine's photo
Fri 03/27/09 05:20 PM

So, how many of you know who's calling before you answer the phone? Or even before the phone rings?


Not me. Im not psychic to that extent. I have gotten that weird feeling like Im being followed or watched but I dont think thats quite the same thing. Or maybe it is? Thats almost like a 6th sense kind of feeling. Perhaps almost a self preservation instinct to help protect you from harm. Ya know like the "something just aint right" feeling?

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Thu 04/02/09 03:36 AM
Hi all. I thought some of you might be interested in this (though you probably already know). I found it here:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/easter1.htm


Easter
Its Pagan origins


Origins of the name "Easter":

The name "Easter" originated with the names of an ancient Goddess and God. The Venerable Bede, (672-735 CE.) a Christian scholar, first asserted in his book De Ratione Temporum that Easter was named after Eostre (a.k.a. Eastre). She was the Great Mother Goddess of the Saxon people in Northern Europe. Similarly, the "Teutonic dawn goddess of fertility [was] known variously as Ostare, Ostara, Ostern, Eostra, Eostre, Eostur, Eastra, Eastur, Austron and Ausos." 1 Her name was derived from the ancient word for spring: "eastre." Similar Goddesses were known by other names in ancient cultures around the Mediterranean, and were celebrated in the springtime. Some were:

Aphrodite from ancient Cyprus
Ashtoreth from ancient Israel
Astarté from ancient Greece
Demeter from Mycenae
Hathor from ancient Egypt
Ishtar from Assyria
Kali, from India
Ostara a Norse Goddess of fertility.


An alternative explanation has been suggested. The name given by the Frankish church to Jesus' resurrection festival included the Latin word "alba" which means "white." (This was a reference to the white robes that were worn during the festival.) "Alba" also has a second meaning: "sunrise." When the name of the festival was translated into German, the "sunrise" meaning was selected in error. This became "ostern" in German. Ostern has been proposed as the origin of the word "Easter".

There are two popular beliefs about the origin of the English word "Sunday." It is derived from the name of the Scandinavian sun Goddess Sunna (a.k.a. Sunne, Frau Sonne).
It is derived from "Sol," the Roman God of the Sun." Their phrase "Dies Solis" means "day of the Sun." The Christian saint Jerome commented "If it is called the day of the sun by the pagans, we willingly accept this name, for on this day the Light of the world arose, on this day the Sun of Justice shone forth."

Pagan origins of Easter:
Many, perhaps most, Pagan religions in the Mediterranean area had a major seasonal day of religious celebration at or following the Spring Equinox. Cybele, the Phrygian fertility goddess, had a fictional consort who was believed to have been born via a virgin birth. He was Attis, who was believed to have died and been resurrected each year during the period MAR-22 to MAR-25. "About 200 B.C. mystery cults began to appear in Rome just as they had earlier in Greece. Most notable was the Cybele cult centered on Vatican hill ...Associated with the Cybele cult was that of her lover, Attis (the older Tammuz, Osiris, Dionysus, or Orpheus under a new name). He was a god of ever-reviving vegetation. Born of a virgin, he died and was reborn annually. The festival began as a day of blood on Black Friday and culminated after three days in a day of rejoicing over the resurrection."

Wherever Christian worship of Jesus and Pagan worship of Attis were active in the same geographical area in ancient times, Christians "used to celebrate the death and resurrection of Jesus on the same date; and pagans and Christians used to quarrel bitterly about which of their gods was the true prototype and which the imitation."

Many religious historians believe that the death and resurrection legends were first associated with Attis, many centuries before the birth of Jesus. They were simply grafted onto stories of Jesus' life in order to make Christian theology more acceptable to Pagans. Others suggest that many of the events in Jesus' life that were recorded in the gospels were lifted from the life of Krishna, the second person of the Hindu Trinity. Ancient Christians had an alternative explanation; they claimed that Satan had created counterfeit deities in advance of the coming of Christ in order to confuse humanity. Modern-day Christians generally regard the Attis legend as being a Pagan myth of little value. They regard Jesus' death and resurrection account as being true, and unrelated to the earlier tradition.

Wiccans and other modern-day Neopagans continue to celebrate the Spring Equinox as one of their 8 yearly Sabbats (holy days of celebration). Near the Mediterranean, this is a time of sprouting of the summer's crop; farther north, it is the time for seeding. Their rituals at the Spring Equinox are related primarily to the fertility of the crops and to the balance of the day and night times. Where Wiccans can safely celebrate the Sabbat out of doors without threat of religious persecution, they often incorporate a bonfire into their rituals, jumping over the dying embers is believed to assure fertility of people and crops.



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Sat 04/04/09 07:03 PM

Alverdine's photo
Mon 04/06/09 06:12 AM
That CGI stuff is amazing. shocked

MirrorMirror's photo
Tue 04/07/09 07:38 PM

Hi all. I thought some of you might be interested in this (though you probably already know). I found it here:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/easter1.htm


Easter
Its Pagan origins


Origins of the name "Easter":

The name "Easter" originated with the names of an ancient Goddess and God. The Venerable Bede, (672-735 CE.) a Christian scholar, first asserted in his book De Ratione Temporum that Easter was named after Eostre (a.k.a. Eastre). She was the Great Mother Goddess of the Saxon people in Northern Europe. Similarly, the "Teutonic dawn goddess of fertility [was] known variously as Ostare, Ostara, Ostern, Eostra, Eostre, Eostur, Eastra, Eastur, Austron and Ausos." 1 Her name was derived from the ancient word for spring: "eastre." Similar Goddesses were known by other names in ancient cultures around the Mediterranean, and were celebrated in the springtime. Some were:

Aphrodite from ancient Cyprus
Ashtoreth from ancient Israel
Astarté from ancient Greece
Demeter from Mycenae
Hathor from ancient Egypt
Ishtar from Assyria
Kali, from India
Ostara a Norse Goddess of fertility.


An alternative explanation has been suggested. The name given by the Frankish church to Jesus' resurrection festival included the Latin word "alba" which means "white." (This was a reference to the white robes that were worn during the festival.) "Alba" also has a second meaning: "sunrise." When the name of the festival was translated into German, the "sunrise" meaning was selected in error. This became "ostern" in German. Ostern has been proposed as the origin of the word "Easter".

There are two popular beliefs about the origin of the English word "Sunday." It is derived from the name of the Scandinavian sun Goddess Sunna (a.k.a. Sunne, Frau Sonne).
It is derived from "Sol," the Roman God of the Sun." Their phrase "Dies Solis" means "day of the Sun." The Christian saint Jerome commented "If it is called the day of the sun by the pagans, we willingly accept this name, for on this day the Light of the world arose, on this day the Sun of Justice shone forth."

Pagan origins of Easter:
Many, perhaps most, Pagan religions in the Mediterranean area had a major seasonal day of religious celebration at or following the Spring Equinox. Cybele, the Phrygian fertility goddess, had a fictional consort who was believed to have been born via a virgin birth. He was Attis, who was believed to have died and been resurrected each year during the period MAR-22 to MAR-25. "About 200 B.C. mystery cults began to appear in Rome just as they had earlier in Greece. Most notable was the Cybele cult centered on Vatican hill ...Associated with the Cybele cult was that of her lover, Attis (the older Tammuz, Osiris, Dionysus, or Orpheus under a new name). He was a god of ever-reviving vegetation. Born of a virgin, he died and was reborn annually. The festival began as a day of blood on Black Friday and culminated after three days in a day of rejoicing over the resurrection."

Wherever Christian worship of Jesus and Pagan worship of Attis were active in the same geographical area in ancient times, Christians "used to celebrate the death and resurrection of Jesus on the same date; and pagans and Christians used to quarrel bitterly about which of their gods was the true prototype and which the imitation."

Many religious historians believe that the death and resurrection legends were first associated with Attis, many centuries before the birth of Jesus. They were simply grafted onto stories of Jesus' life in order to make Christian theology more acceptable to Pagans. Others suggest that many of the events in Jesus' life that were recorded in the gospels were lifted from the life of Krishna, the second person of the Hindu Trinity. Ancient Christians had an alternative explanation; they claimed that Satan had created counterfeit deities in advance of the coming of Christ in order to confuse humanity. Modern-day Christians generally regard the Attis legend as being a Pagan myth of little value. They regard Jesus' death and resurrection account as being true, and unrelated to the earlier tradition.

Wiccans and other modern-day Neopagans continue to celebrate the Spring Equinox as one of their 8 yearly Sabbats (holy days of celebration). Near the Mediterranean, this is a time of sprouting of the summer's crop; farther north, it is the time for seeding. Their rituals at the Spring Equinox are related primarily to the fertility of the crops and to the balance of the day and night times. Where Wiccans can safely celebrate the Sabbat out of doors without threat of religious persecution, they often incorporate a bonfire into their rituals, jumping over the dying embers is believed to assure fertility of people and crops.







bigsmile Interestingflowerforyou

Alverdine's photo
Tue 04/07/09 07:46 PM
Edited by Alverdine on Tue 04/07/09 07:47 PM




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Wed 04/08/09 06:02 PM
That is a beautiful rendition of the Wheel of the Year. Simple, but elegent.

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Thu 04/16/09 06:34 PM
Hello,

I like this forum thank you for having it. not many ppl understand the ppl outthere that are wiccan or practice. this is nice.


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Thu 04/16/09 07:22 PM
Hi Angel flowerforyou Welcome and enjoy

MirrorMirror's photo
Fri 04/17/09 01:45 PM
noway Dang.noway These religion threads need some livening upflowerforyou I think it used to be better when all of us were in one place.flowerforyou

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Sat 04/18/09 11:56 AM
thank you for the welcome. look forward to knowing you guys. :angel:

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Sat 04/18/09 12:00 PM
wow, i like thissmokin

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Tue 04/21/09 06:35 AM

noway Dang.noway These religion threads need some livening upflowerforyou I think it used to be better when all of us were in one place.flowerforyou


Arguements and all? I heard that there were quite a few.

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Fri 04/24/09 08:30 AM
waving

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Fri 04/24/09 09:10 AM
Wow, Ruth! You're back. Why did you leave us? sad

Ruth34611's photo
Fri 04/24/09 11:16 AM
Hi, JB! I left due to a combination of health issues that I needed to focus on and trying to keep up at work. One good thing happened though.....I won the city's award for Public Safety Practioner of the Year. It was quite an honor and I just had to brag about it a little. bigsmile

It's really great to see you! How is everything?

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Fri 04/24/09 12:09 PM


Everything is fine. I have recently been practicing some tarot readings in the general forum. If you get a chance go check them out.

Congrats on the recognition for Practitioner of the Year!!drinker :banana: :banana:

Practitioner of what? what