Topic: Sanguinarians and Psychic vampires.
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Sat 05/16/09 10:27 AM
I am back lol

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Sat 05/16/09 10:28 AM
No i do not know reiki sadly. you have to take clases as it is, like massage, a type of alternative healing

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Sat 05/16/09 03:53 PM

I am back lol
bigsmile I been wondering where the all vamp babes been.bigsmile

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Sat 06/06/09 12:41 AM

No i do not know reiki sadly. you have to take clases as it is, like massage, a type of alternative healing
flowerforyou interestingbigsmile

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Sun 06/07/09 07:38 AM
Here is what Anton LaVey, who is considered to be the one to coin the phrase psychic vampire, has to say about psychic vampires:

Many people who walk the earth practice the fine art of making others feel responsible
and even indebted to them, without cause. Satanism observes these leeches in their true
light. Psychic vampires are individuals who drain others of their vital energy. This type
of person can be found in all avenues of society. They fill no useful purpose in our
lives, and are neither love objects nor true friends. Yet we feel responsible to the
psychic vampire without knowing why.
If you think you may be the victim of such a person, there are a few simple rules which will
help you form a decision. Is there a person you often call or visit, even though you really don't
want to, because you know you will feel guilty if you don't? Or, do you find yourself
constantly doing favors for one who doesn't come forward and ask, but hints? Often the
psychic vampire will use reverse psychology, saying: "Oh, I couldn't ask you to do that" - and
you, in turn, insist upon doing it. The psychic vampire never demands anything of you. That
would be far too presumptuous. They simply let their wishes be known in subtle ways which
will prevent them from being considered pests. They "wouldn't think of imposing" and are
always content and willingly accept their lot, without the slightest complaint - outwardly!
Their sins are not of commission, but of omission. It's what they don't say, not what they do
say, that makes you feel you must account to them. They are much too crafty to make overt
demands upon you, because they know you would resent it, and would have a tangible and
legitimate reason for denying them.
A large percentage of these people have special "attributes" which make their dependence
upon you more feasible and much more effective. Many psychic vampires are invalids (or
pretend to be) or are "mentally or emotionally disturbed." Others might feign ignorance or
incompetence so you will, out of pity - or more often, exasperation - do things for them.
The traditional way to banish a demon or elemental is to recognize it for what it is, and
exorcise it. Recognition of these modern-day demons and their methods is the only antidote
for their devastating hold over you.
Most people accept these passively vicious individuals at face value only because their
insidious maneuvers have never been pointed out to them. They merely accept these "poor
souls" as being less fortunate than themselves, and feel they must help them however they
can. It is this misdirected sense of responsibility (or unfounded sense of guilt) which
nourishes well the "altruisms" upon which these parasites feast!
The psychic vampire is allowed to exist because he cleverly chooses conscientious,
responsible people for his victims - people with great dedication to their "moral obligations."
In some cases we are vampirized by groups of people, as well as individuals. Every fund
raising organization, be it a charitable foundation, community council, religious or fraternal
association, etc., carefully selects a person who is adept at making others feel guilty for its
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chairman or coordinator. It is the job of this chairman to intimidate us into opening first our
hearts, and then our wallets, to the recipient of their "good will" - never mentioning that, in
many cases, their time is not unselfishly donated, but that they are drawing a fat salary for
their "noble deeds." They are masters at playing upon the sympathy and consideration of
responsible people. How often we see little children who have been sent forth by these self-
righteous Fagins to painlessly extract donations from the kindly. Who can resist the innocent
charm of a child?
There are, of course, people who are not happy unless they are giving, but many of us do not
fit into this category. Unfortunately, we are often put upon to do things we do not genuinely
feel should be required of us. A conscientious person finds it very difficult to decide between
voluntary and imposed charity. He wants to do what is right and just, and finds it perplexing
trying to decide exactly who he should help and what degree of aid should rightfully be
expected of him.
Each person must decide for himself what his obligations are to his respective friends, family,
and community. Before donating his time and money to those outside his immediate family
and close circle of friends, he must decide what he can afford, without depriving those closest
to him. When taking these things into consideration he must be certain to include himself
among those who mean most to him. He must carefully evaluate the validity of the request
and the personality or motives of the person asking it of him.
It is extremely difficult for a person to learn to say "no" when all his life he has said "yes."
But unless he wants to be constantly taken advantage of, he must learn to say "no" when
circumstances justify doing so. If you allow them, psychic vampires will gradually infiltrate
your everyday life until you have no privacy left - and your constant feeling of concern for
them will deplete you of all ambition.
A psychic vampire will always select a person who is relatively content and satisfied with his
life - a person who is happily married, pleased with his job, and generally well-adjusted to the
world around him - to feed upon. The very fact that the psychic vampire chooses to victimize
a happy person shows that he is lacking all the things his victim has; he will do everything he
can to stir up trouble and disharmony between his victim and those people he holds dear.
Therefore, be wary of anyone who seems to have no real friends and no appearant interest in
life (except you). He will usually tell you he is very selective in his choice of friends, or
doesn't make friends easily because of the high standards he sets for his companions. (To
acquire and keep friends, one must be willing to give of himself - something of which the
psychic vampire is incapable.) But he will hasten to add that you fulfill every requirement and
are truly an outstanding exception among men - you are one of the very few worthy of his
friendship.
Lest you confuse desperate love (which is a very selfish thing) with psychic vampirism, the
vast difference between the two must be clarified. The only way to determine if you are being
vampirized is to weigh what you give the person compared to what they give you in return.
You may, at times, become annoyed with the obligations put upon you by a loved one, a close
friend, or even an employer. But before you label them psychic vampires, you must ask
yourself, "What am I getting in return?" If your spouse or lover insists that you call them
frequently, but you also require them to account to you for their time spent away from you,
you must realize this is a give and take situation. Or, if a friend is in the habit of calling upon you for help at inopportune moments, but you similarly depend upon them to give your
immediate needs priority, you must regard it as a fair exchange. If your employer asks you to
do a little more than is normally expected of you in your particular position, but will overlook
occasional tardiness or will give you time off when you need it, you certainly have no cause
for complaint and need not feel he is taking advantage of you.
You are, however, being vampirized if you are incessantly called upon or expected to do
favors for someone who, when you need a favor, always happens to have other "pressing
obligations."
Many psychic vampires will give you material things for the express purpose of making you
feel you owe them something in return, thereby binding you to them. The difference between
your giving, and theirs, is that your return payment must come in a non-material form. They
want you to feel obligated to them, and would be very disappointed and even resentful if you
attempted to repay them with material objects. In essence, you have "sold your soul" to them,
and they'll constantly remind you of your duty to them, by not reminding you.
Being purely Satanic, the only way to deal with a psychic vampire is to "playdumb" and act
as though they are genuinely altruistic and really expect nothing in return. Teach them a
lesson by graciously taking what they give you, thanking them loudly enough for all to hear,
and walking away! In this way you come out the victor. What can they say? And when you
are inevitably expected to repay their "generosity," (this is the hard part!) you say "
NO
" - but
again, graciously!When they feel you falling from their clutches two things will happen.
First, they will act "crushed," hoping your old feeling of duty and sympathy will return, and
when (and if) it doesn't, they will show their true colors and will become angry and
vindictive.
Once you have moved them to this point,
YOU
can play the role of the injured party. After all,
you've done nothing wrong - you just happened to have had "pressing obligations" when they
needed you, and since nothing was expected in return for their gifts, there should be no hard
feelings.
Generally, the psychic vampire will realize his methods have been discovered and will not
press the issue. He will not continue to waste his time with you, but will move on to his next
unsuspecting victim.
There are times, however, when the psychic vampire will not release his hold so easily, and
will do everything possible to torment you. They have plenty of time for this because, when
once rejected, they will neglect all else (what little else they have, that is) to devote their every
waking moment to planning the revenge to which they feel they are entitled. For this reason, it
is best to avoid a relationship with this kind of person in the first place. Their "adulation" and
dependence upon you may, at first, be very flattering, and their material gifts very attractive,
but you will eventually find yourself paying for them many times over.
Don't waste your time with people who will ultimately destroy you, but concentrate instead on
those who will appreciate your responsibility to them, and, likewise, feel responsible to you.
And if you are a psychic vampire - take heed! Beware of the Satanist - he is ready and willing
to gleefully drive the proverbial stake through your heart!

Anton LaVey "The Satanic Bible" pg 41-46


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Sun 06/07/09 11:49 AM
glasses That's cool Thomas,but Anton LaVey is an idiot and a drama queenglassesI don't take anything seriously that clown had to sayglasses

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Sun 06/07/09 09:09 PM

glasses That's cool Thomas,but Anton LaVey is an idiot and a drama queenglassesI don't take anything seriously that clown had to sayglasses

Perhaps on some respects. I found the satanic bible a good read until the last few chapters.
I just wonder if the current claims of psychic vampirism are an evolution of his ideas or just a co opting the phrase?

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Sun 06/07/09 10:33 PM


glasses That's cool Thomas,but Anton LaVey is an idiot and a drama queenglassesI don't take anything seriously that clown had to sayglasses

Perhaps on some respects. I found the satanic bible a good read until the last few chapters.
I just wonder if the current claims of psychic vampirism are an evolution of his ideas or just a co opting the phrase?
bigsmile You're cool Thomas,but Anton La Vey is a scammer.bigsmile Real satanists dont act that way.bigsmileReal satanists dont even think of themselves as satanists.flowerforyou

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Sun 06/07/09 11:00 PM



glasses That's cool Thomas,but Anton LaVey is an idiot and a drama queenglassesI don't take anything seriously that clown had to sayglasses

Perhaps on some respects. I found the satanic bible a good read until the last few chapters.
I just wonder if the current claims of psychic vampirism are an evolution of his ideas or just a co opting the phrase?
bigsmile You're cool Thomas,but Anton La Vey is a scammer.bigsmile Real satanists dont act that way.bigsmileReal satanists dont even think of themselves as satanists.flowerforyou


What do you mean? I am not a Satanist, but do like many of ideas put forth in that book. I do not assume they are all of only his mind. Many of the things he says, I would consider to be universal truths and/or borrowed from other sources.

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Sun 06/07/09 11:09 PM




glasses That's cool Thomas,but Anton LaVey is an idiot and a drama queenglassesI don't take anything seriously that clown had to sayglasses

Perhaps on some respects. I found the satanic bible a good read until the last few chapters.
I just wonder if the current claims of psychic vampirism are an evolution of his ideas or just a co opting the phrase?
bigsmile You're cool Thomas,but Anton La Vey is a scammer.bigsmile Real satanists dont act that way.bigsmileReal satanists dont even think of themselves as satanists.flowerforyou


What do you mean? I am not a Satanist, but do like many of ideas put forth in that book. I do not assume they are all of only his mind. Many of the things he says, I would consider to be universal truths and/or borrowed from other sources.
bigsmile I know you not a satanist Thomas.drinker You're cool.bigsmile La Vey is just a man that dressed up in silly costumes, and put on silly ritual shows, and wrote silly books about stuff he ripped off of Aliester Crowley (another clown),in order to get attention and make money.flowerforyou His claim to fame.flowerforyou

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Sun 06/07/09 11:28 PM





glasses That's cool Thomas,but Anton LaVey is an idiot and a drama queenglassesI don't take anything seriously that clown had to sayglasses

Perhaps on some respects. I found the satanic bible a good read until the last few chapters.
I just wonder if the current claims of psychic vampirism are an evolution of his ideas or just a co opting the phrase?
bigsmile You're cool Thomas,but Anton La Vey is a scammer.bigsmile Real satanists dont act that way.bigsmileReal satanists dont even think of themselves as satanists.flowerforyou


What do you mean? I am not a Satanist, but do like many of ideas put forth in that book. I do not assume they are all of only his mind. Many of the things he says, I would consider to be universal truths and/or borrowed from other sources.
bigsmile I know you not a satanist Thomas.drinker You're cool.bigsmile La Vey is just a man that dressed up in silly costumes, and put on silly ritual shows, and wrote silly books about stuff he ripped off of Aliester Crowley (another clown),in order to get attention and make money.flowerforyou His claim to fame.flowerforyou


I know you meant no harm in your comments and none was taken.drinker
Well for me, the ideas put forth in the book are more important than the man. I have heard he was quite eccentric, though. I followed the ideas till he started in on all the rituals and spells mumbo jumbo, then he lost me. Satanism as he described it, has many ideas that as an atheist, I agree with, but I don't see the need for a religion or rituals to hold those ideas as truths and I don't believe in spells.

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Sun 06/07/09 11:55 PM






glasses That's cool Thomas,but Anton LaVey is an idiot and a drama queenglassesI don't take anything seriously that clown had to sayglasses

Perhaps on some respects. I found the satanic bible a good read until the last few chapters.
I just wonder if the current claims of psychic vampirism are an evolution of his ideas or just a co opting the phrase?
bigsmile You're cool Thomas,but Anton La Vey is a scammer.bigsmile Real satanists dont act that way.bigsmileReal satanists dont even think of themselves as satanists.flowerforyou


What do you mean? I am not a Satanist, but do like many of ideas put forth in that book. I do not assume they are all of only his mind. Many of the things he says, I would consider to be universal truths and/or borrowed from other sources.
bigsmile I know you not a satanist Thomas.drinker You're cool.bigsmile La Vey is just a man that dressed up in silly costumes, and put on silly ritual shows, and wrote silly books about stuff he ripped off of Aliester Crowley (another clown),in order to get attention and make money.flowerforyou His claim to fame.flowerforyou


I know you meant no harm in your comments and none was taken.drinker
Well for me, the ideas put forth in the book are more important than the man. I have heard he was quite eccentric, though. I followed the ideas till he started in on all the rituals and spells mumbo jumbo, then he lost me. Satanism as he described it, has many ideas that as an atheist, I agree with, but I don't see the need for a religion or rituals to hold those ideas as truths and I don't believe in spells.
glasses La Vey was a Scientologist before he started dressing up in devil costumesglasses

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Mon 06/08/09 12:20 AM







glasses That's cool Thomas,but Anton LaVey is an idiot and a drama queenglassesI don't take anything seriously that clown had to sayglasses

Perhaps on some respects. I found the satanic bible a good read until the last few chapters.
I just wonder if the current claims of psychic vampirism are an evolution of his ideas or just a co opting the phrase?
bigsmile You're cool Thomas,but Anton La Vey is a scammer.bigsmile Real satanists dont act that way.bigsmileReal satanists dont even think of themselves as satanists.flowerforyou


What do you mean? I am not a Satanist, but do like many of ideas put forth in that book. I do not assume they are all of only his mind. Many of the things he says, I would consider to be universal truths and/or borrowed from other sources.
bigsmile I know you not a satanist Thomas.drinker You're cool.bigsmile La Vey is just a man that dressed up in silly costumes, and put on silly ritual shows, and wrote silly books about stuff he ripped off of Aliester Crowley (another clown),in order to get attention and make money.flowerforyou His claim to fame.flowerforyou


I know you meant no harm in your comments and none was taken.drinker
Well for me, the ideas put forth in the book are more important than the man. I have heard he was quite eccentric, though. I followed the ideas till he started in on all the rituals and spells mumbo jumbo, then he lost me. Satanism as he described it, has many ideas that as an atheist, I agree with, but I don't see the need for a religion or rituals to hold those ideas as truths and I don't believe in spells.
glasses La Vey was a Scientologist before he started dressing up in devil costumesglasses


Don't get me started on Scientology. lol

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Sun 06/21/09 12:45 AM








glasses That's cool Thomas,but Anton LaVey is an idiot and a drama queenglassesI don't take anything seriously that clown had to sayglasses

Perhaps on some respects. I found the satanic bible a good read until the last few chapters.
I just wonder if the current claims of psychic vampirism are an evolution of his ideas or just a co opting the phrase?
bigsmile You're cool Thomas,but Anton La Vey is a scammer.bigsmile Real satanists dont act that way.bigsmileReal satanists dont even think of themselves as satanists.flowerforyou


What do you mean? I am not a Satanist, but do like many of ideas put forth in that book. I do not assume they are all of only his mind. Many of the things he says, I would consider to be universal truths and/or borrowed from other sources.
bigsmile I know you not a satanist Thomas.drinker You're cool.bigsmile La Vey is just a man that dressed up in silly costumes, and put on silly ritual shows, and wrote silly books about stuff he ripped off of Aliester Crowley (another clown),in order to get attention and make money.flowerforyou His claim to fame.flowerforyou


I know you meant no harm in your comments and none was taken.drinker
Well for me, the ideas put forth in the book are more important than the man. I have heard he was quite eccentric, though. I followed the ideas till he started in on all the rituals and spells mumbo jumbo, then he lost me. Satanism as he described it, has many ideas that as an atheist, I agree with, but I don't see the need for a religion or rituals to hold those ideas as truths and I don't believe in spells.
glasses La Vey was a Scientologist before he started dressing up in devil costumesglasses


Don't get me started on Scientology. lol
laugh

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Tue 06/23/09 12:38 PM
The name psychic vampires immediately reveal our attitude toward people who take energy. Not as obvious, it also reveals our attitudes toward the people from whom they take. A vampire is a taker who drains its victims.

To help and heal ourselves and each other, we must first recognize the person who is taking energy from another person can only do so if the person they are taking from agrees to it on some level. Freedom comes when we stop projecting our fear of powerlessness onto others, blaming them and victimizing ourselves.

Permission to give or take does not need to be granted on a conscious individualized basis. It comes from an underlying attitude about giving and taking.

Our experiences in life all include give and take in varying degrees and mirror back to us where we are on the spectrum selfishness and selflessness. Selfishness and self-centeredness are generally viewed as undesirable traits. Selflessness is usually viewed positively. Both require balancing.

Those who give selflessly without balance can become doormats or martyrs or may "kill with kindness". They may find it difficult to say "No." Those who take without thought are often very kind people who have learned inappropriate ways to get energy. They may also be obviously selfish and thoughtless of others. These are examples of opposite ends of the spectrum. Most of us sit somewhere closer to the middle and as with all living things our abilities and balance fluctuate.

The giver's attitude of willingness creates an opening that enables a taker to connect to the giver. Connecting to each other, although generally unseen, literally creates a physical connection that we just do not see with the naked eye. The Hunas have spoken about these connecting "cords" for centuries. More recently Phyllis Krystal, a therapist from California, has developed a technique called Cutting the Ties That Bind, a method of working with or cutting serious ties that prevent us from being us.

Those we mistakenly call vampires are not necessarily bad people. For instance a friend once connected to me very deeply while we were working on an intense project together. Eventually the energy being drained from me made me ill physically. I was extremely weak, dizzy and having heart palpitations. My friend was driving me to the various doctor's appointments and helping in any way she could. Neither of us knew she had connected to me in this fashion. It took a mutual friend, an intuitive, to tell me what was happening. In meditation I prayed for guidance and saw the cords between us. I envisioned myself pulling some of them out one by one. I envisioned cutting other cords with scissors. My health improved in three days. My friend and I spent a day together talking about the experience and forgiving each other. She was horrified at what we had learned. She loves me and would not hurt me for the world.





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Tue 06/23/09 12:39 PM
How To Stop Psychic Vampires from Draining Your Energy


If you suspect you are a giver - you must become clear you play a role in the experience and you are no longer willing to do so. Say firmly and clearly aloud, "No one else can have my energy. My need to give is fulfilled through healthy means." You may see yourself doing service work or another healthy form of giving. Take time to get quiet or to meditate and ask to see any unhealthy lines connecting you to another that are affecting you then. Visualize severing those ties in whatever way comes to you. It helps if you know the person you are severing from but it is not essential. Do this clearing, affirming, meditating and severing until you feel you mean it and it is complete. Relief and new energy will follow within a few days. Bless and forgive everyone involved, including yourself.


How To Stop Stealing Energy from Others

If you are a taker you must become clear you are no longer willing to play that role. Say firmly and clearly aloud, "I now receive all the energy I need in healthy ways. Energy comes to me easily from the earth, from the air, from Divine intelligence. It is everywhere and I willingly accept it from healthy places and in healthy ways. I always have all the energy I need."

Whether you are a giver or a taker, you will likely need to practice this over time. You will learn to recognize physical sensations that go along with someone connecting to you. For me it is light headedness and dizziness. For you it may be different. Pay attention. Your body will tell you. Both the giver and taker are simply trying to have their needs met. Both are seeking balance. Both have complete control over the situation through managing their own attitudes lovingly.

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Fri 06/26/09 08:48 AM
If vampires can take energy from someone can they also give energy back if wanted?

I wouldn't mind having additional powersdrinker

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Fri 06/26/09 04:47 PM

If vampires can take energy from someone can they also give energy back if wanted?

I wouldn't mind having additional powersdrinker
:smile: That is a good question:smile:

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Sat 07/04/09 07:55 PM

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I am not saying that I am one. I just wanted to bring up some thoughts that may be of interest. Ok, go for a walk out in the woods and mentally reach out to your surroundings and breath it in. Secondly (I am not trying to use this as a pick line or any thing), a sexual energy. First thing to keep in mind while I talk of sharing sexual energy is that you can not just do it with any one. You must and you patner must be able to connect on more than just a physical level most of the time anyway. This is because of the openness to has to be achieved. And second thing to keep in mind is that it is not just taking. You will get more than you give. So connect, build, direct and share. Don't be afraid of the sun. A nice kiss from the sun and gentel carress from a breeze almost always lifts my spirits. Like I said, here are just some thoughts I athought I would share.