Topic: Faith is Fantasy
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Thu 02/12/09 04:58 PM

We all get a little excited sometimes with debates, but ljcc appears to be a very strong and well-intentioned woman, who clears embodies all the good things about religion.


"TBRich" ......how would "ljcc" behavior be viewed if this was the political forum and she snapped just because someone posted a comment which questioned the integrity of a candidate that she voted for

I'm not sure why the religious should get a free pass to go bonkers when they don't agree with a post ..

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Thu 02/12/09 05:00 PM
Edited by Krimsa on Thu 02/12/09 05:06 PM
I would agree with Funch. I am losing my patience with them. :angry: If they have a legitimate concern, then they can hit "report post". Then once the moderators realize its just them being ridiculous, they can deal with it. He is not breaking any rules in posting this thread. Besides, since when does the term "faith" only apply to Catholics or Christians? huh

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Thu 02/12/09 05:04 PM

I had faith in my car that it would start this morning. By golly - it did.

But that was just a fanticy.


"Eljay" ..so if one day your car don't start up then what does that mean ...that you lost your faith or your car need a tune up

or do faith mean that little elves come and work on your car everytime you go to sleep

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Thu 02/12/09 05:56 PM
Funches, you bad boy! Your punishment is to spend a week in the christian singles forum.....

Ok I'm sleepy and getting silly now.. Night all...

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Thu 02/12/09 06:11 PM
I have been in there twice now when a thread was reported and moved over there and I had already posted in it. It’s boring and their topics never move up barely.


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Thu 02/12/09 07:17 PM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Thu 02/12/09 07:22 PM

I had faith in my car that it would start this morning. By golly - it did.

But that was just a fanticy.
I agree . . . with one giant caveat . . . . Its clear that this belief is not faith; the fact you have observational data to support the idea that your car starts, and has many times, thus it is not fantastic to believe without faith that this would be true.




of course the first thing on the list is that God and or faith has never regrown a lost limb or given a limb to anyone not born with them

God and/or faith has never answers the prayers of the amputee


Evolution has not figured out how to do this either.

Faith in evolution has never grown a new limb.


And what’s to say that modern medicine would not be able to grow human limbs if you religious folks would stay the hell out of embryonic stem cell research. They already grew a woman a new windpipe and she does not require anti-rejection protocol.
Excellent example of how genetics and evolution research has changed and unified modern medicine. I agree if unhindered I think the sky's the limit on regenerative medicine.

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Thu 02/12/09 11:05 PM



of course the first thing on the list is that God and or faith has never regrown a lost limb or given a limb to anyone not born with them

God and/or faith has never answers the prayers of the amputee


Evolution has not figured out how to do this either.

Faith in evolution has never grown a new limb.


And what’s to say that modern medicine would not be able to grow human limbs if you religious folks would stay the hell out of embryonic stem cell research. They already grew a woman a new windpipe and she does not require anti-rejection protocol.


Just so we don't corrupt the issue with mis-information, it has been ADULT stem cell work that has repaired damaged organs. There is no evidence that embryonic stem cells are capable of this. What is being discovered through the advancement and study of DNA in this field is that embryonic stem cells may be more of a detriment than a help. The problems of the rejection of foreign DNA, and the incerased possibilities of cancer due to incompatability in comparision to the discoveries made in Adult stem cell research make the point almost moot. It's like comparing CD's to 8 tracks. Adult stem cell research has been demonstrated to be sucessful over a period of 25 years now. Embryonic stem cell work has a zero success rating at this point in time.

Why would anyne want to waste their time on embryonic stem cell research? Why take money away from something proven to be sucessful to pursue something with such a high rate of predictable failure? Why the uproar about embryonic stem cell research?

Patent Law! It's all about the almighty dollar in this issue.

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Thu 02/12/09 11:11 PM


I had faith in my car that it would start this morning. By golly - it did.

But that was just a fanticy.


"Eljay" ..so if one day your car don't start up then what does that mean ...that you lost your faith or your car need a tune up

or do faith mean that little elves come and work on your car everytime you go to sleep


No, because I have the same level of faith every time I walk out the door. The point being that your thread is assuming a broadly painted idea - whereas your intent is to paint it with the thin brush of "Faith in a Deity".

Without that specifity - your statement is foolish, as everyone has faith in something - it is a basic fact of life. To claim "faith" as fanticy without the stipulation of a deity fails every test imaginable.

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Thu 02/12/09 11:16 PM


I had faith in my car that it would start this morning. By golly - it did.

But that was just a fanticy.
I agree . . . with one giant caveat . . . . Its clear that this belief is not faith; the fact you have observational data to support the idea that your car starts, and has many times, thus it is not fantastic to believe without faith that this would be true.


Actually - it is still faith. It is just a faith confirmed through multiplicity. But the first time one walks out the door, starting a car for the first time, does not alter the level of "faith" one has that it will start. Here there is no repeated observable fact. According to Funches - this is a fanticy.





of course the first thing on the list is that God and or faith has never regrown a lost limb or given a limb to anyone not born with them

God and/or faith has never answers the prayers of the amputee


Evolution has not figured out how to do this either.

Faith in evolution has never grown a new limb.


And what’s to say that modern medicine would not be able to grow human limbs if you religious folks would stay the hell out of embryonic stem cell research. They already grew a woman a new windpipe and she does not require anti-rejection protocol.
Excellent example of how genetics and evolution research has changed and unified modern medicine. I agree if unhindered I think the sky's the limit on regenerative medicine.



If they're not doing it with adult stem cell research - it's not going to happen with embryonic stem cell research. Evolution supports this fact - does it not?

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Thu 02/12/09 11:56 PM
No it doesnt. Stem cells are the body's master cells. Scientists are studying them for the emerging field of regenerative medicine.They also want to use them to study disease and to seek better treatments for cancer, diabetes and other conditions.Those found in day old embryos can produce any cell type found in the body. So-called adult stem cells are found in the blood and in all tissues and are less flexible.






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Fri 02/13/09 05:29 AM

I would agree with Funch. I am losing my patience with them. :angry: If they have a legitimate concern, then they can hit "report post". Then once the moderators realize its just them being ridiculous, they can deal with it. He is not breaking any rules in posting this thread. Besides, since when does the term "faith" only apply to Catholics or Christians? huh


"ljcc" always resorts to a tactic that I called "The Excommunicator"

first attack the poster and start singing the olde "we Christians are being percecuted song" and rant to everyone how horrible the poster is in an attempt to rally all the christians together to scorn the poster and to boycott or "excommunicate" the offensive thread ....

but unfortunely since there is now a seperate Christian Singles Forum, to float from that forum over to this forum to try and use that tactic is ..er..how can I put this so that it won't be offensive ...delusional


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Fri 02/13/09 06:39 AM

Funches, you bad boy! Your punishment is to spend a week in the christian singles forum.....

Ok I'm sleepy and getting silly now.. Night all...


a week in the Christian Singles Forum? .... oh my goddddddddddddd ...oops I meant ARE YOU INSANE

I wouldn't last a day there before they nailed me to the cross

I guess I have to do a saint peter and recommend that they use an upside down cross

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Fri 02/13/09 06:42 AM


I would agree with Funch. I am losing my patience with them. :angry: If they have a legitimate concern, then they can hit "report post". Then once the moderators realize its just them being ridiculous, they can deal with it. He is not breaking any rules in posting this thread. Besides, since when does the term "faith" only apply to Catholics or Christians? huh


"ljcc" always resorts to a tactic that I called "The Excommunicator"

first attack the poster and start singing the olde "we Christians are being percecuted song" and rant to everyone how horrible the poster is in an attempt to rally all the christians together to scorn the poster and to boycott or "excommunicate" the offensive thread ....

but unfortunely since there is now a seperate Christian Singles Forum, to float from that forum over to this forum to try and use that tactic is ..er..how can I put this so that it won't be offensive ...delusional




Right. The "Excommunication" thing doesnt work for sh!t either. I had Spider do that to me at one point and he rallied all of the Christians on forum to stop responding to my posts. It worked for about 24 hours and he stopped responding to me, that was it. The rest of them only intensified their whining. happy

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Fri 02/13/09 07:01 AM



I had faith in my car that it would start this morning. By golly - it did.

But that was just a fanticy.


"Eljay" ..so if one day your car don't start up then what does that mean ...that you lost your faith or your car need a tune up

or do faith mean that little elves come and work on your car everytime you go to sleep


No, because I have the same level of faith every time I walk out the door. The point being that your thread is assuming a broadly painted idea - whereas your intent is to paint it with the thin brush of "Faith in a Deity".

Without that specifity - your statement is foolish, as everyone has faith in something - it is a basic fact of life. To claim "faith" as fanticy without the stipulation of a deity fails every test imaginable.


"Eljay" you still haven't explain what you having faith has anything to do with your car starting up

you car is governed by the laws of physics...if you don't change the oil or get regular tune ups according to the laws of physics your car will one day not start up

are you suggesting that by you having faith you are capable of controlling the laws of physics and never have to get an oil change or a tune up and your car will forever start ..

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Fri 02/13/09 07:23 AM
If that were the case, I will convert to evangelism today. I have a sh1tty car.

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Fri 02/13/09 10:00 AM



I would agree with Funch. I am losing my patience with them. :angry: If they have a legitimate concern, then they can hit "report post". Then once the moderators realize its just them being ridiculous, they can deal with it. He is not breaking any rules in posting this thread. Besides, since when does the term "faith" only apply to Catholics or Christians? huh


"ljcc" always resorts to a tactic that I called "The Excommunicator"

first attack the poster and start singing the olde "we Christians are being percecuted song" and rant to everyone how horrible the poster is in an attempt to rally all the christians together to scorn the poster and to boycott or "excommunicate" the offensive thread ....

but unfortunely since there is now a seperate Christian Singles Forum, to float from that forum over to this forum to try and use that tactic is ..er..how can I put this so that it won't be offensive ...delusional




Right. The "Excommunication" thing doesnt work for sh!t either. I had Spider do that to me at one point and he rallied all of the Christians on forum to stop responding to my posts. It worked for about 24 hours and he stopped responding to me, that was it. The rest of them only intensified their whining. happy


once one's faith is questioned in such a way that there is no logical response that can be given then it's only logical for anger to set in


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Fri 02/13/09 11:19 AM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Fri 02/13/09 11:19 AM



I had faith in my car that it would start this morning. By golly - it did.

But that was just a fanticy.
I agree . . . with one giant caveat . . . . Its clear that this belief is not faith; the fact you have observational data to support the idea that your car starts, and has many times, thus it is not fantastic to believe without faith that this would be true.


Actually - it is still faith. It is just a faith confirmed through multiplicity. But the first time one walks out the door, starting a car for the first time, does not alter the level of "faith" one has that it will start. Here there is no repeated observable fact. According to Funches - this is a fanticy.





of course the first thing on the list is that God and or faith has never regrown a lost limb or given a limb to anyone not born with them

God and/or faith has never answers the prayers of the amputee


Evolution has not figured out how to do this either.

Faith in evolution has never grown a new limb.


And what’s to say that modern medicine would not be able to grow human limbs if you religious folks would stay the hell out of embryonic stem cell research. They already grew a woman a new windpipe and she does not require anti-rejection protocol.
Excellent example of how genetics and evolution research has changed and unified modern medicine. I agree if unhindered I think the sky's the limit on regenerative medicine.



If they're not doing it with adult stem cell research - it's not going to happen with embryonic stem cell research. Evolution supports this fact - does it not?
Not only can you not spell. You do not understand the difference between rational belief, and faith belief. Not uncommon among evolution deniers.

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Fri 02/13/09 11:27 AM
Yeah Eljay the spelling can be difficult because I cant always understand you. All you have to do is open up Firefox and it has like a spellchecker thing on this site. When you write a post, a red squiggly line will underline the misspelled word and then you can right click and choose what you really meant.

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Fri 02/13/09 03:57 PM

Yeah Eljay the spelling can be difficult because I cant always understand you. All you have to do is open up Firefox and it has like a spellchecker thing on this site. When you write a post, a red squiggly line will underline the misspelled word and then you can right click and choose what you really meant.
Firefox spell check is my best friend, I just have to work at not being anal enough to go back and fix the quotes of others I use lol.

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Fri 02/13/09 05:14 PM


of course the first thing on the list is that God and or faith has never regrown a lost limb or given a limb to anyone not born with them

God and/or faith has never answers the prayers of the amputee


Evolution has not figured out how to do this either.

Faith in evolution has never grown a new limb.


"Eljay" ...maybe evolution can teach God how to do it

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Sponges
Starfish (mention already)
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