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Topic: stimulus bill causes gm to lay off thousands of workers.
d3vi1d06's photo
Fri 02/13/09 12:25 PM



They really need to reduce the executives wages by 90%


punish the ceo's for being accomplished professionals? that doesnt seem fair. how bout we cut blue collar workers salaries and get rid of unions. it is the unions, which by the way, demanding $20 an hour for someone to install a door on a car! that is why american automakers are outsourcing jobs to other countries. blame the unions. a mexican worker will install the same door on that same car for $5 an hour.


Accomplished Professionals? That's interesting, how did they get in such trouble if they were professionals? Why is it that blue collar works are getting trashed here, they just do their job and they are the ones losing them these days.

The ceo's make the huge bucks and are suppose to be responsible, yet they aren't getting the anger? I don't see what the upcoming stimulus has to do with this, but it's good propaganda for a car company that wants you to blame everyone but them.

re read my pst and i tell you that the union is causing the ceos to do the things they do. sheesh

franshade's photo
Fri 02/13/09 12:52 PM


We have a GM plant in my town. Lets see..GM pays out about 70 dollars an HOUR to its workers in salary and benefits according to thier own statements.

They don't make vehicles that are affordable or reliable.

And, when GM "Lays off" people, they STILL GET 80% OF THEIR SALARIES!. Pay me 30 bucks an hour + medical & dental to put tab A in slot B (a job that I could train a monkey to do)and then let me take off indefinately and still get paid $24/hr. AND, they are eligible for unemployment for the balance. Hell, I'd do it for half that. Most everyone would down here in LA.

IF my GM job is screwing in screw #322 and I dont show up for work, NOBODY ELSE CAN DO IT. Union rules.

GMs layoffs are not because of any money that they received by the government. It's their own doing and that of the unions.


gm doesnt make the salaries, the uaw makes the salaries.
blame the union for overpriced american cars. 20 bucks an hour to screw in a nut and bolt? mexicans will do it for 5 an hour in mexico. thats why ford shut down the ford truck plant in norfolk, va and sent the plant to mexico. blame the unions for causing american workers to be too expensive to hire.


Are the CEO's also in the union? laugh

The union is not to blame for the pricing of cars, overhead and expenses are all taken into account when producing a product.

Hey if what you say is true, expect the price on Fords to go down dramatically as they moved their operations to Mexico for $5/hr wages.

Drivinmenutz's photo
Fri 02/13/09 02:03 PM
Edited by Drivinmenutz on Fri 02/13/09 02:07 PM
I find it sad when people start blaming the free market for the existing problems. I don't have all the answers, but it doesn't makes sense to me that automanufacturers were so horribly mismanaged for so long. The "rich" people calling the shots depend on effective management in order to maintain their income. Why would they screw themselves out of money? There must be an outside factor.

A little off the subject, but the same senario can be applied to banks and the housing bubble bursting. Banks would not often make high risk loans on their own because if they fell through, the company would be S.O.L. People fail to see that the Community Reinvestment Act of 1977 pressured banks to make loans out to the riskier people. This was supposedly so the lower income people could live better.

I think the problems stem from regulating the market. I think many problems stem from government programs originally intended to help people. There are, of course many other moving parts to the system, but regulation seems to be the major player here.

Here's a quote to think about:

"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."

-Thomas Jefferson

Drivinmenutz's photo
Fri 02/13/09 02:05 PM
Edited by Drivinmenutz on Fri 02/13/09 02:08 PM
Also, side comment:

Funny thing about Unions is the fact that they need to exist to prevent CEO's from mistreating people for their own benefit.

Problem is, that Unions too get greedy. Many is the time they will effectively run businesses into the ground because they want more money than they are effectively earning for the company.

A working system relies on both parties remaining honest.

no photo
Fri 02/13/09 02:15 PM

On the plus side:

DAVID ESPO, AP Special Correspondent David Espo, Ap Special, Washington

" machinery giant Caterpillar Inc. plans to rescind some of the 22,000 layoffs the firm recently announced — once the stimulus is signed into law."



http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/02/doh-caterpillar.html

The ceo of Caterpilla said today more jobs would be cut......Looks like Obama and him aren't on the same page about Caterpilla workers.

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