So....according to evolutionists ...

man and chimp share a common ancestry...

meaning both came from the same common ancestor.

Hmmmm....


Ok.....a Question:

IF that were so....

shouldn't at least SOME of man's traits be passed on to the chimp....

since both man and chimp

come from the SAME "common ancestor"?

And by the same token...

shouldn't at least SOME of the chimp's traits be passed on to man....

since both man and chimp

come from the SAME "common ancestor"?


I mean....at least SOME of the traits of the chimp , should have passed on to man...

at least SOME of the traits of man, should have passed on to chimp.

Yes?

Seeing that they both "seemingly" share this common ancestry?

I mean.......

shouldn't at least one chimp have evolved...

with... lets say.....for instance....

the ability to make and use tools...like man ?

And shouldn't at least one man out there....

have at least one of the traits of a chimp...

let's say....for instance...

have the abiity to climb to the top of tall trees ...

and swing from limb to limb....way up high at the very top...

just like the chimp?

I mean.. the saying goes..that we come fom the same ancestor.....right?

So we both at least, should SHARE SOME COMMON TRAITS!!!!

At least One!!

Right?

Oh...btw....WHO is this common ancestor ,

that evolutionists speak about?




Beautiful People Here...


You don't REALLY think you and a chimp ....

share a common ancestry now...do you ?

Nah.

I didn't think so either

The Bible is factual.

Events in the bible actually took place.

That's why evolutionists could learn a lot...

if they'd just look and see what the Bible has to say.

Evolutionists could start looking into the Bible as a history book , at least.

Even if they don't believe.

Why not!!!

For First Time, Chimps Seen Making Weapons for Hunting

By Rick Weiss
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, February 23, 2007; Page A01

Chimpanzees living in the West African savannah have been observed fashioning deadly spears from sticks and using the tools to hunt small mammals -- the first routine production of deadly weapons ever observed in animals other than humans.

The multistep spearmaking practice, documented by researchers in Senegal who spent years gaining the chimpanzees' trust, adds credence to the idea that human forebears fashioned similar tools millions of years ago.


Bo is one of the chimps on the Senegal being studied by researchers, who recently discovered that chimps have the ability to make their own weapons to hunt small mammels.

Bo is one of the chimps on a Senegal reservation being studied by researchers, who recently discovered that chimps have the ability to make their own weapons to hunt small mammels. (Paco Bertolani)
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Reserachers from a National Geographic-sponsored study discovered that chimps know how to use tools as weapons to hunt smaller mammels, a trait before now that scientists thought was only done by humans.

The landmark observation also supports the long-debated proposition that females -- the main makers and users of spears among the Senegalese chimps -- tend to be the innovators and creative problem solvers in primate culture.

Using their hands and teeth, the chimpanzees were repeatedly seen tearing the side branches off long, straight sticks, peeling back the bark and sharpening one end. Then, grasping the weapons in a "power grip," they jabbed them into tree-branch hollows where bush babies -- small, monkeylike mammals -- sleep during the day.

In one case, after repeated stabs, a chimpanzee removed the injured or dead animal and ate it, the researchers reported in yesterday's online issue of the journal Current Biology.

"It was really alarming how forceful it was," said lead researcher Jill D. Pruetz of Iowa State University, adding that it reminded her of the murderous shower scene in the Alfred Hitchcock movie "Psycho." "It was kind of scary."

The new observations are "stunning," said Craig Stanford, a primatologist and professor of anthropology at the University of Southern California. "Really fashioning a weapon to get food -- I'd say that's a first for any nonhuman animal."

Scientists have documented tool use among chimpanzees for decades, but the tools have been simple and used to extract food rather than to kill it. Some chimpanzees slide thin sticks or leaf blades into termite mounds, for example, to fish for the crawling morsels. Others crumple leaves and use them as sponges to sop drinking water from tree hollows.

But while a few chimpanzees have been observed throwing rocks -- perhaps with the goal of knocking prey unconscious, but perhaps simply as an expression of excitement -- and a few others have been known to swing simple clubs, only people have been known to craft tools expressly to hunt prey.

Pruetz and Paco Bertolani of the University of Cambridge made the observations near Kedougou in southeastern Senegal. Unlike other chimpanzee sites currently under study, which are forested, this site is mostly open savannah. That environment is very much like the one in which early humans evolved and is different enough from other sites to expect differences in chimpanzee behaviors.

Pruetz recalled the first time she saw a member of the 35-member troop trimming leaves and side branches off a branch it had broken off a tree.

"I just knew right away that she was making a tool," Pruetz said, adding that she suspected -- with some horror -- what it was for. But in that instance she was unable to follow the chimpanzee to see what she did with it. Eventually the researchers documented 22 instances of spearmaking and use, two-thirds of them involving females.

Is she for real? Or is this the worse case of sarcasm ever? We don't share any common traits? Are you blind? Have you ever seen a chimp... or any primate for that matter? As far as us both having the exact same traits... that's why it's called EVOLUTION! Because we've adapted to become something different. If we had ALL the same traits as the chimp... we'd BE A CHIMP!

Thats true MS. Thats why the body's of the Great Apes are so strong. They adapted to tree life and taking sanctuary in the jungle canopy when needed for protection. Humans probably climbed trees also to get away from predators like saber tooth tiger and everything else. But we dont have the upper body strength to be able to do that as quickly or effectively as our ape cousins. Do we still have great strength as human? Well yes, compared to some animals but nothing next to apes.

Chimps and humans do have some traits in common, aside from the physical ones. In a study, they put these chimps in a room and placed a vase in the middle of the room. Soon enough, the known trouble maker in the group broke the vase. When the care givers entered the room, the chimp who broke the vase kept pointing at another chimp as an attempt to blame the other chimp for the broken vase. So yeah, deception is not a trait exclusive to humans!

Thats bad. On a serious note I do believe they used chimps back in the 60s to test how human pilots would hold up against radiation blasts in the event of a nuclear assault. They trained this chimps to use flight simulators and then exposed them gradually to radiation. The goal was to make certain that the chimps could withstand the radiation long enough to hit their target (in the Soviet Union). Animal rights groups put a stop to it I believe. It was during the cold war build up.

OK Justin.....let me try this another way:

Since it appears to me that you DO believe ,

that you and the chimp come from some "common ancestor"....

then answer me this question :

HOW COME ALLLLL humans ....

(who supposedly CAME from this VERY SAME COMMON ANCESTRY as the CHIMP.....)

CAN ALL TALK, WRITE, REASON,

THINK, NEGOTIATE,CONFER,MAKE

DECISIONS, DESIGN , CREATE ,

INVENT , TYPE , COOK , PLAN, BUILD,

FLY TO THE MOON,ACT,DIRECT,DANCE,

MOTIVATE,SYMPATIZE,ETC. ETC. ETC.......

YET......

THE CHIMP,

WHO SUPPOSEDLY ALSO CAME FROM THE SAME ANCESTOR AS MAN DID,

WAS LEFT WITH NONE OF THESE ABILITIES THAT MAN HAS.

NOT EVEN ONE !!!


HOW COME THE CHIMP WAS SHORTCHANGED LIKE THAT, JUSTIN?

I MEAN, EVOLUTIONSTS KEEP SAYING THAT THE CHIMP AND MAN SHARE A COMMON ANCESTOR.....

SO ...IF THIS IS TRUE....

THEN

DON'T YOU THINK THAT AT LEAST SOME OF THE WONDERFUL GOD GIVEN ABILITIES THAT MAN HAS.....

WOULD ALSO HAVE PASSED DOWN TO THE CHIMP????

AT LEAST ONE?

SINCE THE CHIMP " SUPPOSEDLY" CAME FROM THE SAME "COMMON ANCESTRY" AS MAN?

But here's the thing:

THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE CHIMP KNOWN.....

THAT CAN

TALK, WRITE, REASON, THINK,

NEGOTIATE,CONFER,MAKE DECISIONS,

DESIGN , CREATE , INVENT , TYPE ,

COOK , PLAN, BUILD, FLY TO THE

MOON,ACT,DIRECT,DANCE,

MOTIVATE,SYMPATIZE,ETC ETC ETC.......

LIKE MAN CAN.

YET IT IS STILL ARGUED THAT MAN AND CHIMP CAME FROM A COMMON ANCESTOR.

SEE WHAT I AM SAYING HERE NOW?

MS did you even bother to read that article I posted about the female chimps making and designing weaponry in their wild habitat? You asked for a specific trait demonstrated by both chimpanzee and man and there it is. That was only page one of the article but I figured you wouldn't even read that much and just ignore it so I didnt bother posting it in its entirety. What do you know. I was right.

No way you just asked that...

Go back a few threads and I believe it was already answered. It's because we branched off and evolved differently and at different rates.

Domestic cats and lions share a common ancestor. How come a lion can eat you and a domestic cat cannot?

Krimsa...about that article you shared:

Ever hear of

"Monkey See Monkey Do" ???

Some of the hunters probably made spears..so the chimps saw and imitated them..even at stabbbing at something.

HELLO??!!!

Also..what does a chimp's DIET consist of????????

Nuts, bananas, other fruits..etc. etc. etc .... right?

You know Krimsa.....the bible did say, that

people in the last days would do EXACTLY what they are doing now....

they would REJECT the Truth of God's Word ..and believe a lie .

This was all FORETOLD...what is happening now...

MorningSong, I've come to realize that trying to reason with you is like clapping with one hand!

Wrong... Chimps don't just eat fruits and nuts. Chimps have been known to hunt in packs for monkeys. Yes, they eat the flesh of monkeys and other small mammals!

MS these are WILD chimps living in their natural habitats. Even if what you are saying is true and say the chimps spotted some natives making spears, wow, that would be even more remarkable! No MS, chimps eat meat also. They are omnivores just like you and I MS. They actually hunt in groups and male chimps will trap monkeys (remember they are apes and differ from monkeys) up in the jungle canopy using elaborate schematics that have been recorded by observational researchers. Also, the weapons are but another tool they design and create. They also strip leaves off long skinny twigs and use them to fish out ants from tight spaces.

question for MS, with all the information, data and facts provided here regarding evolution, do you still stand that evolution did/did not exist?

Can't wait to read MS's response!

Chimps don't make spears to hunt....

but they may use and even make little pointed sticks ....to pry open nuts with !!!!

And like most animals, chimps are omnivores...

but may also eat meat, VERY RARELY though.


Gotta run folks..Have a Blessed Day Now!!

So now you are denying the validity of the article you just read (if you read it at all)? Shall I post the link to the video? Is seeing believing?



And a spear is....?

...

MS, the article stated (and this is recorded on video) that the chimps would use the spears to flush out bushbabies in the trees and stab them to death for food.



But you had just denied this in your previous post. ...



Chimps eat meat as often as they can capture it. Just as early hominids did.

Not sure I understand a spear in my eyes is a long(ish) stick with a point used for spearing objects. Isn't that the same as your little pointed stick?

You also mention chimps are omnivores, hence they eat both plant and animal (meat), why would you assume that it's rarely?