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Topic: CREATION VERSUS EVOLUTION MADE CLEAR !!!
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Fri 02/20/09 03:15 PM

what have I done??? I don't know my own strength

grumble


You have done nothing. You ask a interesting question that will have replies later.

One will say that the duckbill has always been what it is since its existence and another will say it is diverged from another species.

There are always two sides to a question.drinker


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Fri 02/20/09 03:16 PM


what have I done??? I don't know my own strength

grumble


You have done nothing. You ask a interesting question that will have replies later.

One will say that the duckbill has always been what it is since its existence and another will say it is diverged from another species.

There are always two sides to a question.drinker




psst..my question was a joke to act silly. shhhhhhhh

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Fri 02/20/09 08:37 PM


Platypus

All fossils found of it are essentially the same as today’s living creatures. It certainly shows no signs of evolution. Its only significant change seems to have been to lose some teeth and shrink in size. Indeed, evolutionary scientists are baffled about the ancestry of the platypus. They openly admit that nothing is known about its history that can explain its geographical distribution. But then, all they had to go on until 1984 were two teeth, a jaw fragment, a hip-bone from the deserts of north-eastern South Australia, and a skull from north-western Queensland, over 1,200 kilometres away.


Creation, Flood, Fossils

So what has been the history of the platypus? Where did it come from? We are told that God created water creatures on Day Five and the land animals on Day Six of Creation week, so the first platypuses, even though not mentioned by name, were obviously included. And we know they survived Noah’s Flood, because God sent two of every kind of land animal to Noah’s Ark and water creatures didn’t need to go. It is most likely however, that Noah had a pair of platypuses on board his Ark, since even though they are water dwellers, it is unlikely the platypuses would have survived the raging flood waters. How did the platypuses get to Australia after Noah’s Flood? If they were on the Ark they obviously swam and walked here from Mt. Ararat. This would have taken years, even centuries. The platypuses could have used any land bridges that existed between Asia and Australia as a result of the drastic lowering of sea level during the ice age subsequent to the Flood. But once the ice age ended and the land bridges disappeared, the platypuses were left to thrive in isolation on their island continent home.

Magnificent Design

Some of the most marvelous engineering in God’s creation can be seen in this shy ball of fur. When under water the platypus catches its food with its ears and eyes firmly shut. They are enclosed in a facial furrow. So how does it find food on the murky river beds? Platypuses don’t stay under water long to collect food; only a minute or two before surfacing. Then another minute or two at the surface to sort and chew its food, which it holds in large cheek pouches, before diving again. This feeding process may total 12 hours a day.

Researchers didn’t even know this was such a puzzle until recently. It was assumed that the dumb platypus hadn’t ‘evolved’ far enough to be a smart food collector and he simply blundered along stream beds, swamps or ponds, grabbing any potluck delicacies he came across.


Platypus' are members of the monotremes family of mammals. It is the only mamimal known to have a sense of electroreception: they locate their prey in part by detecting electric fields generated by muscular contractions. Modern monotremes are the survivors of an early branching of the mammal tree; a later branching is thought to have led to the marsupial and placental groups.



They are what they are and have remained the same...the only difference is getting smaller....both body and teeth.....and no evolution here.....they are what they have always been.

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Sat 02/21/09 07:23 AM



Platypus

All fossils found of it are essentially the same as today’s living creatures. It certainly shows no signs of evolution. Its only significant change seems to have been to lose some teeth and shrink in size. Indeed, evolutionary scientists are baffled about the ancestry of the platypus. They openly admit that nothing is known about its history that can explain its geographical distribution. But then, all they had to go on until 1984 were two teeth, a jaw fragment, a hip-bone from the deserts of north-eastern South Australia, and a skull from north-western Queensland, over 1,200 kilometres away.


Creation, Flood, Fossils

So what has been the history of the platypus? Where did it come from? We are told that God created water creatures on Day Five and the land animals on Day Six of Creation week, so the first platypuses, even though not mentioned by name, were obviously included. And we know they survived Noah’s Flood, because God sent two of every kind of land animal to Noah’s Ark and water creatures didn’t need to go. It is most likely however, that Noah had a pair of platypuses on board his Ark, since even though they are water dwellers, it is unlikely the platypuses would have survived the raging flood waters. How did the platypuses get to Australia after Noah’s Flood? If they were on the Ark they obviously swam and walked here from Mt. Ararat. This would have taken years, even centuries. The platypuses could have used any land bridges that existed between Asia and Australia as a result of the drastic lowering of sea level during the ice age subsequent to the Flood. But once the ice age ended and the land bridges disappeared, the platypuses were left to thrive in isolation on their island continent home.

Magnificent Design

Some of the most marvelous engineering in God’s creation can be seen in this shy ball of fur. When under water the platypus catches its food with its ears and eyes firmly shut. They are enclosed in a facial furrow. So how does it find food on the murky river beds? Platypuses don’t stay under water long to collect food; only a minute or two before surfacing. Then another minute or two at the surface to sort and chew its food, which it holds in large cheek pouches, before diving again. This feeding process may total 12 hours a day.

Researchers didn’t even know this was such a puzzle until recently. It was assumed that the dumb platypus hadn’t ‘evolved’ far enough to be a smart food collector and he simply blundered along stream beds, swamps or ponds, grabbing any potluck delicacies he came across.


Platypus' are members of the monotremes family of mammals. It is the only mamimal known to have a sense of electroreception: they locate their prey in part by detecting electric fields generated by muscular contractions. Modern monotremes are the survivors of an early branching of the mammal tree; a later branching is thought to have led to the marsupial and placental groups.



They are what they are and have remained the same...the only difference is getting smaller....both body and teeth.....and no evolution here.....they are what they have always been.

Just because one species hasn't changed much in a long time doesn't mean evolution doesn't exist.

Look at crocodiles, for instance. They haven't changed much for a very long time. You know why? Because they don't need to.

They have evolved to fit a multitude of habitats. They are practically experts at surviving.

Yet, if you look far enough you can see where they made the transition. Which you can with the platypus as well.

The problem with your thought process, it seems, is you are incapable of comprehending anything that is older than a few hundred years.

"Thinking is hard. I'll let an outdated book, written by a bunch of old, illiterate, men, do it for me! HEHE!"
That's satire, by the way.


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Wed 02/25/09 10:34 PM
Edited by Eljay on Wed 02/25/09 10:41 PM





http://technology-science.newsvine.com/_news/2009/02/12/24 26283-seven-signs-of-evolution-in-action


I've been reading through the posts, and it all sounds very familiar.ohwell


What begins to occur with these threads is the proponents of evolution state their cases citing scientific websites, links to videos, photographs, documented proof and a research based dialogue.

That goes totally ignored by the religious.

Then they ask the same questions that were just answered.

Then the proponents of evolution post their links to scientific websites, links to videos, photographs.....


I've watched every U-tube video that I've been directed to, and have not recieved a single answer to any of the questions I've asked on evolution, or how Creationism has been disproved.

I don't think there's anyone on this site who can explain to me how Creationism has been disproved.
Or at least if they can - they haven't posted yet.


It's really quite simple, for creationism/I.D. to be proven, someone needs to find an organism that is irreducibly complex. Simply, for ID to be correct, you need to find an organism, or a system within the organism, that if you take just one part of that away, it will no longer work. Each and every example of this that the ID camp has trotted out with, Science has disproven the Irreducibly Complexity of the organism/organism system.

I find it hard to believe that you actually watched all the videos, and didn't get a single answer..


That one's easy. Vanilla. It can be demonstrated that we will no longer get vanilla if the melipona bee goes extinct.

So how does Evolution get around that. And by the way - explain how evolution explains how we got Vanilla in the first place?

And...

How are you going to now get out of my just using your example to prove Creationism?

Inkracer's photo
Thu 02/26/09 03:40 AM
Edited by Inkracer on Thu 02/26/09 04:38 AM


It's really quite simple, for creationism/I.D. to be proven, someone needs to find an organism that is irreducibly complex. Simply, for ID to be correct, you need to find an organism, or a system within the organism, that if you take just one part of that away, it will no longer work. Each and every example of this that the ID camp has trotted out with, Science has disproven the Irreducibly Complexity of the organism/organism system.

I find it hard to believe that you actually watched all the videos, and didn't get a single answer..


That one's easy. Vanilla. It can be demonstrated that we will no longer get vanilla if the melipona bee goes extinct.


That doesn't prove anything is irreducibly complex, it proves mankind's dependence on the Melipona Bee, for Vanilla. And Vanilla's dependence on the bee for survival.

So how does Evolution get around that. And by the way - explain how evolution explains how we got Vanilla in the first place?

And...

How are you going to now get out of my just using your example to prove Creationism?


Again, All you have proved is a relationship between a plant and an animal.

Now, here is a link with some information, and more links, about how orchids(the plant family that vanilla belongs to) help prove evolution.
http://www.juliantrubin.com/bigten/darwininvent.html

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Thu 02/26/09 07:28 AM


Again, All you have proved is a relationship between a plant and an animal.

Now, here is a link with some information, and more links, about how orchids(the plant family that vanilla belongs to) help prove evolution.
http://www.juliantrubin.com/bigten/darwininvent.html


BOOOYAHHHHH!!!!

Creationists 0

Evolution 127,256

Eljay's photo
Thu 02/26/09 07:52 AM



It's really quite simple, for creationism/I.D. to be proven, someone needs to find an organism that is irreducibly complex. Simply, for ID to be correct, you need to find an organism, or a system within the organism, that if you take just one part of that away, it will no longer work. Each and every example of this that the ID camp has trotted out with, Science has disproven the Irreducibly Complexity of the organism/organism system.

I find it hard to believe that you actually watched all the videos, and didn't get a single answer..


That one's easy. Vanilla. It can be demonstrated that we will no longer get vanilla if the melipona bee goes extinct.


That doesn't prove anything is irreducibly complex, it proves mankind's dependence on the Melipona Bee, for Vanilla. And Vanilla's dependence on the bee for survival.

So how does Evolution get around that. And by the way - explain how evolution explains how we got Vanilla in the first place?

And...

How are you going to now get out of my just using your example to prove Creationism?


Again, All you have proved is a relationship between a plant and an animal.

Now, here is a link with some information, and more links, about how orchids(the plant family that vanilla belongs to) help prove evolution.
http://www.juliantrubin.com/bigten/darwininvent.html


Sop explain how the purpose of the vanilla plant is to produce Vanilla - YET - it cannot do so without the Bee.

Fit this into the "survival of the fittest" scenario, and explain to me how the Vanilla plant knew there was goig to be a bee to pollinate it and how it got it's information from it's "common ancester".

Eljay's photo
Thu 02/26/09 07:55 AM



Again, All you have proved is a relationship between a plant and an animal.

Now, here is a link with some information, and more links, about how orchids(the plant family that vanilla belongs to) help prove evolution.
http://www.juliantrubin.com/bigten/darwininvent.html


BOOOYAHHHHH!!!!

Creationists 0

Evolution 127,256


Some people will believe anything.

Isn't that the evolutionist's mantra to disprove Creationism.

That article is crap. It explains nothing but Pretext.

Inkracer's photo
Thu 02/26/09 08:06 AM




Again, All you have proved is a relationship between a plant and an animal.

Now, here is a link with some information, and more links, about how orchids(the plant family that vanilla belongs to) help prove evolution.
http://www.juliantrubin.com/bigten/darwininvent.html


BOOOYAHHHHH!!!!

Creationists 0

Evolution 127,256


Some people will believe anything.

Isn't that the evolutionist's mantra to disprove Creationism.

That article is crap. It explains nothing but Pretext.


And all your "proof"(I use that term VERY loosely), and reasons have explained, what exactly?

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Thu 02/26/09 08:12 AM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Thu 02/26/09 08:13 AM




Again, All you have proved is a relationship between a plant and an animal.

Now, here is a link with some information, and more links, about how orchids(the plant family that vanilla belongs to) help prove evolution.
http://www.juliantrubin.com/bigten/darwininvent.html


BOOOYAHHHHH!!!!

Creationists 0

Evolution 127,256


Some people will believe anything.

Isn't that the evolutionist's mantra to disprove Creationism.

That article is crap. It explains nothing but Pretext.
There is no way you read through all those links on that page . . .we knew you wouldn't.

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Thu 02/26/09 03:27 PM



Again, All you have proved is a relationship between a plant and an animal.

Now, here is a link with some information, and more links, about how orchids(the plant family that vanilla belongs to) help prove evolution.
http://www.juliantrubin.com/bigten/darwininvent.html


BOOOYAHHHHH!!!!

Creationists 0

Evolution 127,256



GOD INFINITE

EVOLUTIONIST THEORY


ANYTHING ELSE DOESN"T AMOUNT TO A HELL OF BEANS......yea thats the ticket....sorry but nothing you boneheads think will change what IS....


GOD IS, WAS, AND ALWAYS WILL BE PERIOD END OF STORY

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Thu 02/26/09 03:43 PM




Again, All you have proved is a relationship between a plant and an animal.

Now, here is a link with some information, and more links, about how orchids(the plant family that vanilla belongs to) help prove evolution.
http://www.juliantrubin.com/bigten/darwininvent.html


BOOOYAHHHHH!!!!

Creationists 0

Evolution 127,256



GOD INFINITE

EVOLUTIONIST THEORY


ANYTHING ELSE DOESN"T AMOUNT TO A HELL OF BEANS......yea thats the ticket....sorry but nothing you boneheads think will change what IS....


GOD IS, WAS, AND ALWAYS WILL BE PERIOD END OF STORY
Your such a trip lady . . .

MirrorMirror's photo
Thu 02/26/09 04:38 PM
glasses I believe that the Draconians evolved from some sort of dinosaur like creatures and the Zetas evolved or were cloned from the DNA of dolphins.glasses So it sounds reasonable to me that humans evolved from a monkey like creature.glasses

feralcatlady's photo
Thu 02/26/09 04:50 PM





Again, All you have proved is a relationship between a plant and an animal.

Now, here is a link with some information, and more links, about how orchids(the plant family that vanilla belongs to) help prove evolution.
http://www.juliantrubin.com/bigten/darwininvent.html


BOOOYAHHHHH!!!!

Creationists 0

Evolution 127,256



GOD INFINITE

EVOLUTIONIST THEORY


ANYTHING ELSE DOESN"T AMOUNT TO A HELL OF BEANS......yea thats the ticket....sorry but nothing you boneheads think will change what IS....


GOD IS, WAS, AND ALWAYS WILL BE PERIOD END OF STORY
Your such a trip lady . . .



And your a man that believes in science and vampire.....nuff said.

feralcatlady's photo
Thu 02/26/09 04:51 PM

glasses I believe that the Draconians evolved from some sort of dinosaur like creatures and the Zetas evolved or were cloned from the DNA of dolphins.glasses So it sounds reasonable to me that humans evolved from a monkey like creature.glasses



hmmmmmm


no surprise here.

Inkracer's photo
Thu 02/26/09 05:12 PM






Again, All you have proved is a relationship between a plant and an animal.

Now, here is a link with some information, and more links, about how orchids(the plant family that vanilla belongs to) help prove evolution.
http://www.juliantrubin.com/bigten/darwininvent.html


BOOOYAHHHHH!!!!

Creationists 0

Evolution 127,256



GOD INFINITE

EVOLUTIONIST THEORY


ANYTHING ELSE DOESN"T AMOUNT TO A HELL OF BEANS......yea thats the ticket....sorry but nothing you boneheads think will change what IS....


GOD IS, WAS, AND ALWAYS WILL BE PERIOD END OF STORY
Your such a trip lady . . .



And your a man that believes in science and vampire.....nuff said.


And this is coming from someone doesn't believe in Santa Claus, but believes in one man hearing everyone murmur to him all at once.

MirrorMirror's photo
Thu 02/26/09 05:32 PM


glasses I believe that the Draconians evolved from some sort of dinosaur like creatures and the Zetas evolved or were cloned from the DNA of dolphins.glasses So it sounds reasonable to me that humans evolved from a monkey like creature.glasses



hmmmmmm


no surprise here.


:tongue:

feralcatlady's photo
Thu 02/26/09 07:40 PM







Again, All you have proved is a relationship between a plant and an animal.

Now, here is a link with some information, and more links, about how orchids(the plant family that vanilla belongs to) help prove evolution.
http://www.juliantrubin.com/bigten/darwininvent.html


BOOOYAHHHHH!!!!

Creationists 0

Evolution 127,256



GOD INFINITE

EVOLUTIONIST THEORY


ANYTHING ELSE DOESN"T AMOUNT TO A HELL OF BEANS......yea thats the ticket....sorry but nothing you boneheads think will change what IS....


GOD IS, WAS, AND ALWAYS WILL BE PERIOD END OF STORY
Your such a trip lady . . .



And your a man that believes in science and vampire.....nuff said.


And this is coming from someone doesn't believe in Santa Claus, but believes in one man hearing everyone murmur to him all at once.






YEA


That is 100% truth...



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Thu 02/26/09 07:41 PM

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