Topic: Evolution is it a fact?
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Thu 06/11/09 06:14 AM

Many if not all believe humans are the smartest species on the planet. Are we really the smartest?

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I actually think the bonobos are smarter then humans.

Why did I come to that conclusion?

Well first they create peaceful communities with co-dominant males and females in charge. Unlike other chimps, the community of bonobos operates not with a violence driven ethic but an ethic that can be described as "make love, not war." When the chimps in this society become agitated, they don't engage in bloody fights; they diffuse their divisive energy by having sex.

So maybe we can learn a thing or two from these bonobos!

I hate to see a fellow friend dead on the street just because he had a difference of opinion. Wouldn't you?

Well it won't happen in a bonobo's environment. drinker

Second they are not so possessed with materialism! Humans will kill, cheat, deceipt, or lie for materialism! Could you live without your computer, cellphone, or what have you? Very few have tried to live a naturlist lifestyle for only very few can!


bonobo photo is taken off my photo display. If you want to see one then email me or go to google if interested. drinker


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Thu 06/11/09 06:31 AM
That is how it is defined by man. On the first "day" she made light!....but before the light, time/a day was not measured in this manner.


Again, how long is a day? The first day! I think maybe an eon or two.....




How long is a day?
86,400 seconds

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Thu 06/11/09 07:01 AM

That is how it is defined by man. On the first "day" she made light!....but before the light, time/a day was not measured in this manner.


Again, how long is a day? The first day! I think maybe an eon or two.....




How long is a day?
86,400 seconds

Well is it an eon, or two?

It seems at least my answer has relevance to something we can actually know.

You want to know how the universe started, go buy some books on inflation theory.

You want to know how life has diversified here on planet earth where currently days are 24 hours, or 86,400 seconds then get a book on evolution or study the links in the first few posts.

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Thu 06/11/09 07:10 AM
It seems at least my answer has relevance to something we can actually know.



This is the crux..... you are looking for something we can "actually know".....we don't even know how gravity works. We have ideas and theories. Knowing is an absolute.......give it up ! you will never truly "know" the answers you seek......

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Thu 06/11/09 07:14 AM
Edited by smiless on Thu 06/11/09 08:10 AM
I know that bonobo's have sex to settle disputes when they are agitatedlaugh drinker

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Thu 06/11/09 07:21 AM
This presumes that all of their behaviors have been observed and documented. Does the Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle play a role in this?




I know that a bonobo's have sex to settle disputes when they are agitatedlaugh drinker

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Thu 06/11/09 08:09 AM

This presumes that all of their behaviors have been observed and documented. Does the Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle play a role in this?




I know that a bonobo's have sex to settle disputes when they are agitatedlaugh drinker



Actually it is not presumed. It has been observed and recorded by scientists for many many years.

It is a unique personality that bonobo's have and used to survive all these years.

Very interesting actually if you look into itdrinker

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Thu 06/11/09 11:07 AM

This presumes that all of their behaviors have been observed and documented. Does the Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle play a role in this?




I know that a bonobo's have sex to settle disputes when they are agitatedlaugh drinker



It seems at least my answer has relevance to something we can actually know.



This is the crux..... you are looking for something we can "actually know".....we don't even know how gravity works. We have ideas and theories. Knowing is an absolute.......give it up ! you will never truly "know" the answers you seek......
You are needlessly complicating this discussion.

I know NO ONE that uses the word "knowledge" as an absolute. Always it is used in the context of the situation.

Get specific or continue to be confused.

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Thu 06/11/09 06:12 PM



A theoretical reptilian humanoid has also been the focus of a widely discussed thought experiment in speculative evolution. In particular, in 1982 paleontologist Dale Russell, curator of vertebrate fossils at the National Museum of Canada in Ottawa, conjectured a possible evolutionary path that might have been taken by bipedal predator dinosaurs had they not all perished in the K/T extinction event 65 million years ago.[4] The essence of this thought experiment was that bipedal predators (theropods) which existed at that time, such as Troodon, could have evolved into intelligent beings similar in body plan to humans. Over geologic time, Russell noted that there had been a steady increase in the encephalization quotient or EQ (the relative brain weight when compared to other species with the same body weight) among the dinosaurs.[4] Russell had discovered the first Troodontid skull, and noted that, while its EQ was low compared to humans, it was six times higher than that of other dinosaurs. If the trend in Troodon evolution had continued to the present, its brain case could by now measure 1,100 cm3; comparable to that of a human.[4] Troodontids had semi-manipulative fingers, able to grasp and hold objects to a certain degree, and binocular vision.[4]


Description

Russel proposed that this "Dinosauroid", like most dinosaurs of the troodontid family, would have had large eyes and three fingers on each hand, one of which would have been partially opposed. As with most modern reptiles (and birds), he conceived of its genitalia as internal. Russell speculated that it would have required a navel, as a placenta aids the development of a large brain case. However, it would not have possessed mammary glands, and would have fed its young, as birds do, on regurgitated food. He speculated that its language would have sounded somewhat like bird song.[5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reptilian_aliens

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Thu 06/11/09 07:33 PM
. . . and actually we have a great theory for how gravity works.

Its whats spacetime made of that we have very little information on . . . .

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Fri 06/12/09 07:54 AM
Philosophical debates in general start with Plato's formulation of knowledge as "justified true belief". There is however no single agreed definition of knowledge presently, nor any prospect of one, and there remain numerous competing theories.




It seems at least my answer has relevance to something we can actually know.



This is the crux..... you are looking for something we can "actually know".....we don't even know how gravity works. We have ideas and theories. Knowing is an absolute.......give it up ! you will never truly "know" the answers you seek......
You are needlessly complicating this discussion.

I know NO ONE that uses the word "knowledge" as an absolute. Always it is used in the context of the situation.

Get specific or continue to be confused.


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Fri 06/12/09 09:47 AM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Fri 06/12/09 09:50 AM

Philosophical debates in general start with Plato's formulation of knowledge as "justified true belief". There is however no single agreed definition of knowledge presently, nor any prospect of one, and there remain numerous competing theories.




It seems at least my answer has relevance to something we can actually know.



This is the crux..... you are looking for something we can "actually know".....we don't even know how gravity works. We have ideas and theories. Knowing is an absolute.......give it up ! you will never truly "know" the answers you seek......
You are needlessly complicating this discussion.

I know NO ONE that uses the word "knowledge" as an absolute. Always it is used in the context of the situation.

Get specific or continue to be confused.


So now you agree with me, knowledge is contextual. The word is not itself an absolute.

Good thing science does not claim to have absolute knowledge, or absolute certainty huh?

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Fri 06/12/09 09:49 AM
no single agreed definition........how is that agreeing ?????

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Fri 06/12/09 09:52 AM

no single agreed definition........how is that agreeing ?????
Find me a word in the English language that has only a single objective definition.


Captain obvious award is pending.

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Fri 06/12/09 09:58 AM
Nippon

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rhet

deoxyribose

chef


shall I continue????

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Fri 06/12/09 10:22 AM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Fri 06/12/09 10:29 AM
You still do not have a point except to state the obvious . . I am waiting on something to discuss related to the topic.



Nippon

riata

rhet

deoxyribose

chef


shall I continue????

Then you use naming words as if this is the same kind of word as knowledge. Using nouns as example of words with specific definitions when the conversation is about the word knowledge is an apples and oranges comparison.

Yes if I say "Jeremy" and then point to myself that indeed in very unambiguous . . . isn't it, also pretty obvious why this is so . . .

Not a single word in your list represents anything other then a person place or thing.

Idea, find an idea that is represented by a single unambiguous word with a definition.

Yup you get the Captain obvious award . . and I am still waiting for you to make a point.

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Fri 06/12/09 11:27 AM

I know that bonobo's have sex to settle disputes when they are agitatedlaugh drinker


Don't we all?

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Fri 06/12/09 12:50 PM


I know that bonobo's have sex to settle disputes when they are agitatedlaugh drinker


Don't we all?


Unfortunately not with humans. Many atrocities have been commited because of disagreements.

With the bonobo's community it is different.

It is a great study if you find the time to read about these specific primates. drinker

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Fri 06/12/09 10:18 PM

I know that bonobo's have sex to settle disputes when they are agitatedlaugh drinker


Don't we all?


Unfortunately not with humans. Many atrocities have been commited because of disagreements.

With the bonobo's community it is different.

It is a great study if you find the time to read about these specific primates. drinker


I've read reference to the Bonobos in many places, though I've never read about it in detail. Occasionally I work as a massage therapist, and many body workers are interested in the roles that touch plays, and how it effects communication, in different societies. Mostly human societies but also primate and other animals.

I was just being adolescent in my comment above - most of the humans that I know who try to 'settle disputes' with sex mostly use sex to control, which is not what I've heard about the Bonobos.

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Sat 06/13/09 05:37 AM

It seems at least my answer has relevance to something we can actually know.



This is the crux..... you are looking for something we can "actually know".....we don't even know how gravity works. We have ideas and theories. Knowing is an absolute.......give it up ! you will never truly "know" the answers you seek......