Topic: The God Who Wasnt There
Filmfreek's photo
Thu 01/29/09 04:30 PM
So, I've been noticing this ad in this forum, and it looks pretty interesting. I just added the dvd to my netflix queue.

Here is a youtube link if you have 10 minutes to spare.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKs9cYegSt4

msdestinbooty's photo
Thu 01/29/09 04:49 PM
I listend to a couple minutes of it :)

Abracadabra's photo
Thu 01/29/09 04:54 PM
I might watch that simply because I can't find much of anything worth watching on Netflix.

I'm about ready to cancel my membership.

Anyone have any good suggestions before I cancel?

Filmfreek's photo
Thu 01/29/09 04:59 PM

I might watch that simply because I can't find much of anything worth watching on Netflix.

I'm about ready to cancel my membership.

Anyone have any good suggestions before I cancel?


What The Bleep Do We Know? was pretty interesting.

The Last Temptation Of Christ

??????

What kind of movies are you into? Netflix has tons of films of all kinds.

Filmfreek's photo
Thu 01/29/09 05:05 PM
Here is a brief review on "The God Who Wasn't There" from imdb.


A bold, eye-opening and hilarious film!, 30 May 2005


Author: DGCFitzgerald from United States

My absolute favorite film of the year. The God Who Wasn't There brings to light some jaw-dropping information on the real origins of Christianity in an engaging and thoroughly entertaining way. A must see for everyone who has suspected that their Sunday school teacher might not have given them the whole story. Also has fascinating and thought-provoking interviews with some of the top scholars investigating the question of the historical Jesus and whether he really ever existed at all. I was particularly struck by the insights on modern Christianity and some of its more troubling aspects. The director, Brian Flemming, takes on all these topics but never loses his humor or warmth. I'm also looking forward to the DVD release, because the special features will be including more commentary tracks and interviews with figures such as world-famous biologist Richard Dawkins and groundbreaking Biblical scholar Earl Doherty. An amazing , excellent film!

Abracadabra's photo
Thu 01/29/09 05:37 PM


I might watch that simply because I can't find much of anything worth watching on Netflix.

I'm about ready to cancel my membership.

Anyone have any good suggestions before I cancel?


What The Bleep Do We Know? was pretty interesting.

The Last Temptation Of Christ

??????

What kind of movies are you into? Netflix has tons of films of all kinds.


Well, I'm actually more into the documentaries and 'how-to' videos.

I've been on Netflix for over a year now and I'm starting to have trouble finding interesting things that I haven't already seen.

I'm truly disapointed at the absense of really good documentaries on witchcraft and shamanism (especially shamanic journeying). They have nothing on that at all.

I've even been looking for good 'how to' programs on painting, art, and interior decoration, even artistic gardening.

They just aren't a good source of 'how to' videos.

But the ones that you've mentioned sound good. I've been meaning to order "What the bleep do we know" and I keep forgetting to put it on the list.

I was also looking for information on labyrinths and was disapointed to not find anything.


Filmfreek's photo
Thu 01/29/09 06:04 PM
This is pretty much all I could find on Netflix.

Healing the Luminous Body: The Way of the Shaman
(2004) NR
Documentary filmmaker Jay Weidner explores another field in the healing arts with this fascinating documentary about shamans. Featuring expert Alberto Villoldo, who helped establish the Four Winds Society and led the Bio-Self lab at San Francisco State University, this film taps into the history of shamans and discusses how traumatic events and experiences leave their mark on the body -- and how those marks can be banished forever.



Amazon.com has a dvd called Carlos Castenada:Magical Passes. Which I might actually order myself. He was considered one of the masters of shamanic journeying, and I have read most of his books and found them fascinating.


Regarding the "how-to" videos, check out your local library. But, I'm sure you already knew that.

happy

Abracadabra's photo
Thu 01/29/09 06:40 PM
Yes, I've been to the library too.

I think I'm going to have to make my own videos. laugh

Seamonster's photo
Thu 01/29/09 08:03 PM
Edited by Seamonster on Thu 01/29/09 08:19 PM
I own this movie it's good up until the end, I think he realy could have left out his wierd personal grudge aganst his old school.

and Abra a few movies I highly suggest are Memento,No Country for Old Men, and one my personal favs Glenn Gary Glen Ross.



laugh I just read up and if your looking for docs then those are not what your looking for
(but good movies none the less).
I don't know about Docs on witchcraft so much but I realy liked the Aristacrats it's a Doc about a joke (not for the easily offended). And theres a good one I like called F@CK.
And it goes through the origins of the word.
Probably not what your looking for but Good stuff if you ever get the chance.

Nubby's photo
Fri 01/30/09 05:02 AM

Here is a brief review on "The God Who Wasn't There" from imdb.


A bold, eye-opening and hilarious film!, 30 May 2005


Author: DGCFitzgerald from United States

My absolute favorite film of the year. The God Who Wasn't There brings to light some jaw-dropping information on the real origins of Christianity in an engaging and thoroughly entertaining way. A must see for everyone who has suspected that their Sunday school teacher might not have given them the whole story. Also has fascinating and thought-provoking interviews with some of the top scholars investigating the question of the historical Jesus and whether he really ever existed at all. I was particularly struck by the insights on modern Christianity and some of its more troubling aspects. The director, Brian Flemming, takes on all these topics but never loses his humor or warmth. I'm also looking forward to the DVD release, because the special features will be including more commentary tracks and interviews with figures such as world-famous biologist Richard Dawkins and groundbreaking Biblical scholar Earl Doherty. An amazing , excellent film!




"The supposed parallels are spurious. In his important study The Post- Resurrection Appearance Stories of the Gospel Tradition (Stuttgart: Calwer Verlag, 1975), John Alsup has examined all the alleged parallels to Jesus' resurrection and shown them to be apotheosis stories, disappearance stories, etc., not resurrection accounts. The myths of dying and rising gods like Osiris or Adonis, for example, concern merely seasonal symbols for the crop cycle--the plants dying in winter and coming back to life in the spring. (ii) There is no causal link to the disciples' belief. This is evident in Dr. Washington's own examples from ancient Mexico or Nepal. According to Gerhard Kittel, there is "no trace" of myths of dying and rising gods in first century Palestine (Gerhard Kittel, "Die Auferstehung Jesu," Deutsche Theologie 4 [1937]: 159). Thus, no informed scholar would today argue that the original disciples came to believe that Jesus rose from the dead due to pagan influences. It is not surprising that as a philosopher Dr. Washington should be unfamiliar with the field of New Testament studies and historical Jesus research; but it is a shame that this sort of ignorance should be perpetuated among students."


This comes from a debate between Craig and Washington.


I have seen the video, I like to watch and read critical arguments to challenge my faith. If Christianity is not true I am done with it. I have not found any argument thus far that has weakened my faith in Jesus Christ.

Nubby's photo
Fri 01/30/09 06:58 AM
Read this article before or after watching the video

http://www.leaderu.com/everystudent/easter/articles/yama.html

"Biographical Sketch:
Edwin Yamauchi received his B.A. in Hebrew and Hellenistics from Shelton College in 1960. He later earned both his M.A. and Ph.D. in Mediterranean Studies from Brandeis University. He is currently the Professor of History Emeritus at Miami University in Oxford, Ohio.

Throughout his productive writing career, Yamauchi has authored seventeen books, written chapters for thirty-four books, and crafted 172 articles in thirty-six reference works, eighty-nine journal articles, and 107 reviews in twenty-seven journals.

In addition to his occupation at Miami University, Yamauchi serves as a high-ranking officer in five different scholarly societies and also works on five different editorial boards."

Nubby's photo
Fri 01/30/09 07:21 AM
There, I expected the film to be a somewhat scholarly (as far as these guys can get) review of the best case for the Christ myth.

What I got was so bad it makes The Bible Fraud look like peer-reviewed scholarship.

How does it actually break down? By percents:

20% a documentary on Earl Doherty's Christ myth theory (though Doherty does not appear in the main film!)
20% pagan copycat garbage (that's not an insult; he actually makes use of Graves' "16 Crucified Saviors" list as well as the Freke-Gandy "crucified Bacchus" forgery!)
20% objecting to the religious right
10% objecting to how bloody "The Passion" was
30% Flemming offering a tempter tantrum over his prior fundamentalist upbringing, to the point of him childishly ending the film in the chapel he was "saved" in and declaring his apostasy there in "nanny nanny boo boo" fashion
Some random thoughts otherwise, for a mostly random film:


Flemming appears to be a man with serious psychological problems. He has gone from being an Christian who was gullible and ready to believe anything to a Skeptic who is gullible and ready to believe anything. His eyes look more dead than toxic waste. He apparently lied to his former school principal about the purpose of his interview with him. He has recently (4/06) orchestrated a "War on Easter" in which his fans dump copies of the DVD and other related material into churches. A total of 666 DVDs are being distributed this way, according to a secondary source. This might be acceptable if the scholarship in the film were worth ten cents, but that is precisely the problem -- it isn't. Flemming is using his own ignorance to inflict error on people who are no more aware than he is how much in error he is.
I rather wonder if some of his interviewees (like Richard Carrier) know they were being used in a film that gave Graves' crucified saviors list a highlight. One of the links below notes that Flemming offers conclusions that Carrier in particular otherwise disagrees with (such as that Nazareth did not exist), which would be fine except that Flemming is offering a strongly counter-conesnsus position in which he'll need a solud and consistent mode of defense.
No new arguments, of course -- all Flemming uses has been refuted time and again on this website: late dates for the Gospels; Marcan priority and Q; appeal to the Sanhedrin trying Jesus at night, and especially use of Doherty's "silence" argument. Flemming has stated that the reaction of the church to the film has been to ignore it and hope it will go away. In that case, where is bad boy Flemming with his replies to all this stuff of his that we've refuted before? He claims that there has been no reply to Earl Doherty's Jesus Puzzle. Oh, no?

Filmfreek's photo
Fri 01/30/09 07:35 AM
Thanks for the info Nubby. It will probably be a while before I watch the dvd, but I will post my thoughts on it after I do.

happy

Nubby's photo
Fri 01/30/09 07:44 AM

Thanks for the info Nubby. It will probably be a while before I watch the dvd, but I will post my thoughts on it after I do.

happy



Sounds good I would like to know what you think.

TBRich's photo
Tue 02/03/09 08:10 AM
It seems odd that since Alexander conquered the area in 300 BCE that their been no trace of Pagan g-ds, esp. since Greek became the language of education in the area. Also, Attis and Adonis were of Middle Eastern origin.

Eljay's photo
Tue 02/03/09 11:10 AM

I might watch that simply because I can't find much of anything worth watching on Netflix.

I'm about ready to cancel my membership.

Anyone have any good suggestions before I cancel?


Well - you've got to see "Burn Before Reading".

Then cancel. Blockbuster is much better - unless you have more than a 2 mile drive to one.