"Religion is the opiate of the masses"- karl marx (who is still the most widely read economic theorist to this day)

Is it not enough to recognise this for oneself?

There is one soul on this journey of you....


...and others on their journey of themselves...

tolerance...acceptance....compassion...

seems people forget where they have come from.

the only thing that free any human UNTO INFINITE LIKING OF ALL THINGS, is the freedom to speak it's total mind, and this is not EVER POSSIBLY CREATED IN ANY ENVIROMENT OF ANYTHING AS RESTRICTED OR HIDDEN???

everything become as NOTHING WHEN ALL IS SUPPRESSED, AND "WHO" WAS CALLED THE SU PRESS ORE???

for what is up is down to each unique up or down, each unique perception of all that is black, turn itself from black to white then back to black, and the other half turn from white to black back to white???

360% IS THE TOTAL CIRCUMFRENSE OF A CIRCLE???

EACH IS A CIRCLE OF KNOWING, AND HALF AS THE CIRCLE ONLY EXIST UNTIL ONE FIRST LIKE ALL, THEN CIRCLE FILL ITSELF IN, AND BECOME AS WHOLE???

WHOLE CIRCLES OF COMPLETED HUMANS BE WHOLE CIRCLES IF ININFITE KNOWING OF THE TOTAL REALM ONE HAS JUST 'FINISHED' passing thru???

INFINITE LIKE OF ALL WORDS EQUATE DIRECTLY TO INFINFITE MIND???

"Davidben" ...now explain how I can perceive what match if I didn't exist?

I couldn't take in account any of your suggestions if I didn't exist unless you regard me as a figment of your imagination then that would mean you are talking to yourself and are delusional ....

that's why regarding one's existence faith is not required and why faith is only needed where doubt exist

anything one has faith in they have doubt in

one first doubt, then find evidence, then faith is no longer needed, for the LAST THING LEARNED???

so then unknowing step again, and THIS TIME A GRENADE EXPLODE, it is a bad happening self say, BUT THE SEEK THE EVIDENCE, WHICH CANNOT BE FOUND IF THE GRENADE IS SEEN AS NEGATIVE, and find the evidence of what was learned, and then faith again is completed???

faith is only the between stage of trial and error, which shold be called more error than learning, error then learning, error then learning???

WHAT ELSE IS MAY INCREASE AWARENESS THAT MUST "WALK AS HUMAN LIVE" EACH ENTIRE SPECTRUM OF WHAT BE THE OPPOSITE OF ANYTHING???

to FEEL cold water, then HOT water, then KNOW HOW TO MAKE WARM WATER???

SELF INTEREST IS SELF EXISTING IN THEORY TO THE MIND, WHICH DOES NOT ALLOW IT TO ABSORB BUT ABOUT 5% TO 10% OF DATA???

the human brain many saying ONLY AWARE ABOUT 5-10%???

ALL THE CONSCIOUS MIND THEN IS CATCHING OR HEARING IS ABOUT ONLY 5-10% OF DATA???

the REST IS BEING AS "STORED" BY AWARENESS, THING BEING ONLY "DEFINED" AS SUBCONSCIOUS???

to be beyond MEMORY OR CONSCIOUS willed MINDS REACH???

SO WHAT IS FIRST CREATING ONLY "SOME OF ALL" TO BE RECALLABLE OR HEARD INTO TOTAL PRESENCE OF AWARENESS???

something HAS TO HAVE FORMED THE SEPERATE CONSCIOUS MIND INTO "TWO"???

as in each of itself does not exist without the other???

so only AWARENESS EXISTING PRIOR BE THE ONLY POSSIBLE CULPRIT IN THE COSMOS???

SO WHAT UNDO AND DESTROY HUMAN MEMORY RESTRICTIONS AND MAKE CONSCIOUS AND SUBCONSCIOUS AS "ONE"??????????

making self AS NOT TO EXIST IN THE SENSE YOU DON'T CARE WHAT YOU GET BACK FROM ANOTHER IN WORDS, as THIS FIRST CAUSED THE LIMITED STATE CALLED MEMORY, by making self SEEK A CERTAIN STATE, ONLY MOST BY "WHAT EMOTION SAID WAS GOOD TO EACH ITSELF???

what triggered EMOTION TO BE AS IT WAS???

self live in self, so see not what exists cannot be KNOWN UNTIL FIRST ALL THAT EXIST IS TAKEN INTO THE MIND AS ONE, NO MATTER HOW MUCH THE EMOTION SAY IT IS TWO, some false and some true, some good and some bad, some better and some less, and on and on and on......

is this bad???

HELL NO!!!

but if one is NOT CONTENT WITH THE AMOUNT OF AWARENESS, then to this one it is worse than bad, worse than wrong, worse than all of the bads put together, NO SATISFACTION WITH THE PRESENT REALITY, but if you still like the one you are presently residing in, then this is as to be as well???



if you have not arrived to the GREAT FORK IN THE RAOD YET FUNCHES, then these things will be as only all that they mean filtered thru your SELF EXISTENCE ONLY PERCIEVEED, but then a novel thought is if you understood them, you would already know them, and if already knew them, then you would be me, and you are not???

TO TAKE IN ALL, INSTEAD OF TAKING A PIE, EATING UNTIL THE FIRST "NEGATIVE FOUND", SO THEN THROWING THE WHOLE PIE OUT???

THE NEGATIVES OF THE WHOLE COSMOS BE WHERE THE SECRETS LIE HIDDEN???

why in this way???

what that does not learn to ACCEPT ALL NEGATIVE IS LESSOR, AND NOT AS STRONG, SO THEN GREATER AWARENESS PROVIDE THRU "NEGATIVE ONLY" ALL THAT IS NEEDED TO MOVE ON TO A HIGHER REALM???

negative is the mountain self wish not to look under, but not seeing any truth in ANYTHING THAT COME AS BLACK, OR NEGATIVE???

when it is looked under, it is CAST into the SEE, and the mountain that weigh the chest to the ground, that when it speaks ONLY FIRST bring fright, even just called the subconsicous, be where the SECRETS LIE HIDDEN???

happy hunting for the red october and bloody sunday and close encounter and room without a view and the mission impossible and the usual suspects, and the green mile, and the face off, and the national treasure, and the harry potter, and the eagle eye of greater awarness that man will not quite need to complete with hands alone???

peace

"DavidBen" faith works the opposite ...when one lack evidence is why one choose to rely on faith ...faith required that you seek no evidence ...to seek evidence already means you have questionable faith or have lost your faith

This is biblical faith.




So what is the right definition of faith? "Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen," writes the author of Hebrews. A few verses later faith is similarly defined as knowing that God exists and that He rewards those who earnestly seek Him.

Perhaps the best word we can use to translate the Greek word “pistis” (usually translated faith) is the word "trust" or "trustworthy." Suppose you tell a friend that you have faith in her. What does that mean? It means two things. First, you are sure the person you are talking to actually exists. And second, you are convinced she is trustworthy; you can believe what she says and trust in her character.

It is in this way that the writer of Hebrews talks about faith in God. Faith is knowing that God is real and that you can trust in his promises. You cannot trust someone who isn't there, nor can you rely on someone whose promises are not reliable. This is why faith is talked about as the substance of things hoped for and as the evidence of things not seen. Both words carry with them a sense of reality. Our hope is not wishful thinking. Faith does not make God real. On the contrary, faith is the response to a real God who has made Himself known to us:

"I am the LORD, and there is no other;
apart from me there is no God.
I will strengthen you,
though you have not acknowledged me,

so that from the rising of the sun
to the place of its setting
men may know there is none besides me" (Isaiah 45:5-6).

Ever since the Church began, the refrain has always been the same: Come, believe, follow the light of the world. It has never appealed for people to leap into the dark; no such invitation is found anywhere in Scripture. Instead, we are called to step into the light. The Christian gospel is not a message that revels in ignorance. It is the revelation of God in the person of Christ, so that we might know there is none besides Him. The Christian is called to see things as they really are, and not as he would simply like them to be. We trust in a God who has revealed Himself. We believe because God is real.

The Christian gospel invites you to delve into reality. It commands you to be honest in your commitment to know that which is true. Is Jesus real? Who did he claim to be? Is he really alive today? Faith comes in response to knowing the answers to these questions, even as Christ is calling you near. But don’t stop after the initial introductions! Just as you are able to put more trust in someone as you grow to know him, so faith increases as you grow in your relationship with Christ. There is a God who is real and true, and He is calling you unto Himself. The great joy of the Christian faith is found in the person who invites us to trust and believe.

if one get on a bike, and has not ridden, then there is doubt, which then riding improve or increase the faith, until the first falling off, then one doubt again, ride again, increase faith again, then the process keep repeating until the wheels of the bike leave the ground, then a new set of doubt - faith - evidence, doubt - faith - evidence, doubt - faith - evidence, keep going until riding into infinfity, none of the simple pro cess ever changing???

really happening all times second in human existence???

attempts to DEFINE and dicest into definitions only create smokes and hazes which hide only simple pro cess, and even turn to mountains of complex???

I agree.

WELL THEN THE MOUNTAIN IS CAST INTO THE SEE, AS ONLY DEFINITIONS OF ANYTHING STAND IN THE WAY OF SIGHT OF THE PRO CESS SELF IS IN "NOW"???

which only be blocking out "things" and words in others, as all things united together in the mind first come from leaving by DOUBTING SO QUESTIONING last ideas???

SO IF ALL DOWN THRU TIME, THIS IS AS REPEATING, THEN WHAT ONLY SHOW THE MOST OF NOW???

so all that was as once heard, could not be ALL THE TRUTH OR REAL OR MOST REALITY???

AS THE THREE GHOSTS OF DOUBT AND FAITH AND EVIDENCE CANNOT EXIST IF SPOKEN AS EXISTING???

the very cahsing them make the existing, BUT AS NOT KNOWN TO SELF, so THE SAME AS NOT EXISTING to self, as if it is NOT KNOWN AT ALL TIMES TO SELF, IT IS AS DOES NOT EXIST???

ALIVE WHEN FIRST DOUBTING THE BLACKS WERE GOOD, THEN FAITH FOR SOME, THEN EVIDENCE???

are we still in days of old, or already in days of new, just not seeing all as yet, as most things ever written in days past, were of one unnamious two things, that ALL WAS TRUE, AND THAT ALL WAS ONLY PROPHECIED IN PART???

so the seeing of the same of ALL RELIGIONS, IN all having simple truth, and the COMPLEX ONLY LEAD TO THE KILLING, AS ALL "TRUTHS", when COLLECTIVELY UNDONE, erase the DOUBT that first came and was only answered back with a guess, and those guesses were first only from FEAR OF HAVING TO DECIDE, with LACK OF EVIDENCE???

ALL TO COME TO BE COLLECTIVELY TOO GREAT FOR COLLECTIVE HUMAN CIVILIZATION TO COMPREHEND, SO ONLY SMALL BITS AND PIECES PUT INTO THE BRAIN AT A TIME???

time release capsules AS BRAINS of EVER INCREASING HUMAN AWARENESS, when the mind the lid mortal stopper of all greater awareness with unlimited energy come off???

the ceasing of filtering all data into self as either good or bad, which be the first step of faith into infinity..........

including God's existence

yes

"DavidBen" ...maybe the person need training wheels instead of faith

come on ...since faith refers to religion ...then can you give an example of faith using a religious example and not a science example...

Biblical faith is different from the definition of faith.

Now I am confused between faith as belief in the unseen and faith as belief in the real.

I am a “skeptic” in that I don’t believe in the monotheistic god of Christianity or a “universal morality.”

In my view, morals are simply agreed upon rules of conduct. And it is each person’s choice as to which rules they will agree with. (That’s the “ethics” side of things – the personal choice as to which rules one decides to agreed to.) So morals are always relative to a specific group. There cannot be “universal” right or wrong.

So that’s my “moral argument” against the existence of the Christian god.

But then, the entire argument is based on a specific definition for “moral”. And if one does not agree with that definition, then one won’t necessarily agree with the logic.

which means "Nubby" ... you can only hope that God exist but you having faith doesn't mean that he does

His word declares he does.

"Nubby" ....all faith is the same ...it implies doubt or lack of knowledge to a given situation

so..er.."Nubby" ...when was the first and last time God spoke his word to you