and yes i believe in the fey.


right down to the elementals.
i always try to give proper respect where it is due.


i have been brought up with it in my life and have had many experiences with it. not only as a child. sometimes you just have to open your eyes.

Well, Revelations was a dream or vision and many people argue that any dragons in that story are merely symbolic messages that merely convey other meanings.

However, in Job it seems like God is speaking more to the issue of actual animals that Job should be familiar with:

Job 40:

[15] Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.
[16] Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly.
[17] He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.
[18] His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron.
[19] He is the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him.
[20] Surely the mountains bring him forth food, where all the beasts of the field play.
[21] He lieth under the shady trees, in the covert of the reed, and fens.
[22] The shady trees cover him with their shadow; the willows of the brook compass him about.
[23] Behold, he drinketh up a river, and hasteth not: he trusteth that he can draw up Jordan into his mouth.
[24] He taketh it with his eyes: his nose pierceth through snares.

Job 41:

[1] Canst thou draw out leviathan with an hook? or his tongue with a cord which thou lettest down?
[2] Canst thou put an hook into his nose? or bore his jaw through with a thorn?
[3] Will he make many supplications unto thee? will he speak soft words unto thee?
[4] Will he make a covenant with thee? wilt thou take him for a servant for ever?
[5] Wilt thou play with him as with a bird? or wilt thou bind him for thy maidens?
[6] Shall the companions make a banquet of him? shall they part him among the merchants?
[7] Canst thou fill his skin with barbed iron? or his head with fish spears?
[8] Lay thine hand upon him, remember the battle, do no more.
[9] Behold, the hope of him is in vain: shall not one be cast down even at the sight of him?
[10] None is so fierce that dare stir him up: who then is able to stand before me?
[11] Who hath prevented me, that I should repay him? whatsoever is under the whole heaven is mine.
[12] I will not conceal his parts, nor his power, nor his comely proportion.
[13] Who can discover the face of his garment? or who can come to him with his double bridle?
[14] Who can open the doors of his face? his teeth are terrible round about.
[15] His scales are his pride, shut up together as with a close seal.
[16] One is so near to another, that no air can come between them.
[17] They are joined one to another, they stick together, that they cannot be sundered.
[18] By his neesings a light doth shine, and his eyes are like the eyelids of the morning.
[19] Out of his mouth go burning lamps, and sparks of fire leap out.
[20] Out of his nostrils goeth smoke, as out of a seething pot or caldron.
[21] His breath kindleth coals, and a flame goeth out of his mouth.
[22] In his neck remaineth strength, and sorrow is turned into joy before him.
[23] The flakes of his flesh are joined together: they are firm in themselves; they cannot be moved.
[24] His heart is as firm as a stone; yea, as hard as a piece of the nether millstone.
[25] When he raiseth up himself, the mighty are afraid: by reason of breakings they purify themselves.
[26] The sword of him that layeth at him cannot hold: the spear, the dart, nor the habergeon.
[27] He esteemeth iron as straw, and brass as rotten wood.
[28] The arrow cannot make him flee: slingstones are turned with him into stubble.
[29] Darts are counted as stubble: he laugheth at the shaking of a spear.
[30] Sharp stones are under him: he spreadeth sharp pointed things upon the mire.
[31] He maketh the deep to boil like a pot: he maketh the sea like a pot of ointment.
[32] He maketh a path to shine after him; one would think the deep to be hoary.
[33] Upon earth there is not his like, who is made without fear.
[34] He beholdeth all high things: he is a king over all the children of pride.


The author of the Bible (supposedly God himself) refers to this fire-breathing animal as a leviathan.

If you then take this word to mean the fire-breathing animal that God describes here then there are many mentions of dragond throughout the Bible becaude the word leviathan is used in many places.

Based on the passage above, leviathan means fire-breathing dragon.

By God's very own words as he describes this beast to Job.

Still no mention of dinosaurs though huh? Even though there is organic, physical evidence that they existed.

Hmmmmmm......


Interesting.

Here are three more mentions of the leviathan in other books of the Bible.

In Isaiah it even also uses the word "Dragon" outright.

Keep in mind, that according to God's own words when speaking DIRECTLY to Job, God states clearly that this is a fire-breathing beast.

So the authors of the Bible CLEARLY believed in dragons. Or at least made them up.


Pss.74
[14] Thou brakest the heads of leviathan in pieces, and gavest him to be meat to the people inhabiting the wilderness.


Pss.104
[26] There go the ships: there is that leviathan, whom thou hast made to play therein.

Isa.27
[1] In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea.

Some people claim that the behemoth is a reference to a dinosaur.

See Job 40:15 above at the beginning of my quote of Job.

However, other people believe it to be a large elephant. It's anyone's guess.

But science has shown that dinosaurs did not live along side humans temporally anyway. In fact humans would not have been able to evolve along side the dinosaurs.

But clearly the Bible has God describing a fire-breathing dragon that he calls a leviathan.

And later references to a leviathan fit in with the reference to a serpent-like animal and one reference even uses the very word "Dragon".

The biblical God himself claims this animal breaths fire.

Who's going to argue with God?

Certianly not Job.

Christians have no choice but to believe in fire-breathing dragons if they believe that the Bible is the word of God because this came directly from the mouth of God himself according to the Bible.

For a Christian to deny fire-breathing dragons would be the same as denying that the Bible is the word of God.

who is to say these dragons were not descendant of dinosaurs tho...for instance think off nessie sitings....doesnt it make sense that those creatures are descended from some of the very same we find in archaeological digs? i mean we find proof of such descendants in the oceans and rivers everyday as technology makes further advances.


or it could be a mutated life form but while mutations are extremely rare they do happen and some of these cases definitely fit the bill and have had enough time to mutate genetic structure enough to insure continued survival.

Very good points BBeater and Abra.

I'm not suggesting that dragons never existed.

I'm just showing that the biblical God claims they did.

Or at least the author who made up that story claims they did.

Hey, maybe they really did exist!

That still wouldn't give the Bible any credence as being the 'word of God'.

All it would do is suggest that whoever the author of Job was actually knew about dragons and wrote about them in his story as he claimed to speak for God.

oh i wasnt arguing with you abra. no worries.


i was just speaking my mind. its rare i get to exercise it anymore....

They appear in too many cultures to have never taken form in some respect. Both Europe and Asia. More than likely it was animals such as alligators and monitor lizards however. Related to that somehow.

Where's Jeanniebean?

I'm sure that she'll just claim that they were hot and horny Draconians.

The Leviathan or Dragon was also representative of the female. I won’t start up with that though because the men get all upset about it.

And that day will two monsters be parted, one monster, a female named Leviathan in order to dwell in the abyss of the ocean over the fountains of water; and (the other), a male called Behemoth, which holds his chest in an invisible desert whose name is Dundayin, east of the garden of Eden. - 1 Enoch 60:7-8

pish tosh

What does that mean?

very interesting.

means im not afraid to rock the boat and im interested to know more.

Oh Im sorry. I thought you were telling me to buzz off.

oh goodness no. im not rude like that. unless you wake me up and dont have a coke on hand for me or the house isnt on fire lol. the coke on hand would still probably be a good idea whether the house was burning down or not since without it all i hear is jibbajabba jibbajabba until the caffeine kicks in.