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Personally I don't believe we were on the wrong track. I just think we had more to deal with, and maybe not all of it was dealt with in a fashion we agree with or had the results we wanted. Who is to say if someone else was leading the country at the time we wouldn't have had the same result. Lets just hope we do not have to deal with the issues of the past in the future. You don't believe that Bush's actions along with his daddy were the result of why America is in the situation we are in? I think Clinton had just as big a hand in things as G.W. did. I think both were more damaging that Bush senior although he had his parts. Better publicists were in control of the Clinton administration. We see this happening against with Obama as well. Forgive me for being skeptical but when he began to rehire memebers from Bush's and Clinton's administration it made me doubtful that we will endure any progress. Unfortunately our politicians haven't been running the "economy" since the early 1900's. And there are issues with our fiat currency that need to be dealt within order to have stable economy. Let me put it this way... one of the last things President JFK did was sign executive order 11110 which bypassed our central bank and put the government in charge of our currency again. Funny how the we still use the federal reserve and our government pays interest on evry dollar it prints huh? Anyways, i know this was directed at non-americans so in the spirit of the post i will comment on my foreign friends. I have a friend from the country of Poland. I found out she worked for various political parties in her country that were campaigning. She, and her family both thought us as being foolish for voting Obama in due to his experience level. Honestly they thought McCain was the smarter choice out of the two. The media shows support that Obama is getting because partly because they are payed to, and partly because they are just happy to see a "minority" in power. Most of the world, to include our country, i truely believe know almost nothing about Obama's intentions. Some do, some don't. On a side note Becca, i read your article describing his first day in office. This made me feel a bit refreshed to think he was working to smother lobbyists. (I heard him speaking our against lobbyism before.) This will help us in the long run. Unfortunately i don't see him changing our foreign policy at all, nor do i see him seeking any solutions to our economic problems as the banks pretty much run that show, and they don't allow congress to know what they talk about in their meetings. No but they sure as heck beg for money to help the institutions they stole from, made bad decisions losing money and expect the government and people to bail them out though don't they?? |
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I've been hearing bits here and there about the other countries and how they feel about America. We all know how poorly they thought of us in the recent past. I'd love to hear from you in how you feel....if you feel anything at all. Are other countries really dancing in the streets for our new presidency and the way things are looking for us now? From what I'm hearing on new radio, yes they are. I think it's awesome. kind of scary if ya ask me i hope they are right but i never seen anything like this falling in line to elevate a leader to such high praise b4 they even do anything like i said scary 
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I have a friend from the country of Poland. I found out she worked for various political parties in her country that were campaigning. She, and her family both thought us as being foolish for voting Obama in due to his experience level. Honestly they thought McCain was the smarter choice out of the two. The media shows support that Obama is getting because partly because they are payed to, and partly because they are just happy to see a "minority" in power. It is good your friend from Poland is able to express her opinions,this is the beauty about living in a democracy. I too have friends from Poland, Liberia, Ghana and Cuba to name a few, immigrants coming to the UK and America also share in the freedom of speech of these great democratic nations, something they were robbed of in their native land.Maybe American needed an injection of fresh ideals and the view of someone who is totally unspoilt by the past political dogma. |
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I've been reading about the Africans. Apparantly they love GWB for his AIDS programs. I read that they estimate his AIDS program in Africa has saved over 10,000,000 lives
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Yep maybe someone less experienced at being a "Politician" is what we need.
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It's nice to hear from you again Drivin.
I always love your perspective on things. You know my skepticism against Obama during the campaign even though I voted for him. This is why I'm trying to follow so closely with what he is doing. I don't know a fraction of what the majority know in these forums about politics, but i am learning through opinions, and research. I do realize that decisions are based on the government as a whole, but as the president, the heat falls on them (as someone else pointed out previously). This results in the moral issues of our country and the countries around us and i firmly believe that you have to have high morals to get better results. Bush failed at this and Obama hugely succeeded....already. Given JUST THAT ideal....it does show the ignorance in the average person, but at the same time it shows how much we depend on our PRESIDENT. Does that make sense or am I sounding like an amateur again? |
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Becca, I get what you are saying, the problem is, that making a decision based on morals takes no place in government, whose morals will they go by? Morals created in a family history since the US remains so diverse & would be conflicting as a whole. Each Politician must look at the situation as a whole from every perspective before making a decision. To be able to see a situation from all perspectives takes a mind above others. So, when the lobbyist sit there and buy the laws and regulations, where does that leave the people of the US? Do we leave our jobs and go to Congress to Lobby with the little finaces we have? No, we get screwed because of those with the finances to push the American people aside.
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I find it somewhat frightening that other nations would think highly upon the US for choosing Obama as a president. We ARE a powerful nation, we already have a foreign trade system going on with multiple nations already. we IMPORT IMPORT IMPORT. Other nations depend on us for the survival of their own economy and recognize our strength.
It seriously makes me wonder what they think Obama is going ot do to help THEIR nation. I mean isnt he supposed to be soley worrying about strengthening OUR nation. I dont think of establishing fear in others is a good leading technique........but i also dont think reaching our hand out to any more nations is strategic. but hey Im an american, and I dont really like Obama, and i think the way that the nation is lifting him up and idolizing him is sickening. Hes a freaking politician. and this is not a popularity contest...this is real life. and he has not yet proven himself. |
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I find it somewhat frightening that other nations would think highly upon the US for choosing Obama as a president. We ARE a powerful nation, we already have a foreign trade system going on with multiple nations already. we IMPORT IMPORT IMPORT. Other nations depend on us for the survival of their own economy and recognize our strength. It seriously makes me wonder what they think Obama is going ot do to help THEIR nation. I mean isnt he supposed to be soley worrying about strengthening OUR nation. I dont think of establishing fear in others is a good leading technique........but i also dont think reaching our hand out to any more nations is strategic. but hey Im an american, and I dont really like Obama, and i think the way that the nation is lifting him up and idolizing him is sickening. Hes a freaking politician. and this is not a popularity contest...this is real life. and he has not yet proven himself. being the President of the US is much more than just taking care of the US. We wouldn't be a great nation if we were alone. Relationships with other countries is crucial. As far as idolizing Obama, I don't think most of us do that. I just think he's a breath of fresh air in a gloomy economic time and hopes of him doing better are high. And you're right about him not proving himself, but as an American I'll stand behind him unless he proves otherwise. |
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I find it somewhat frightening that other nations would think highly upon the US for choosing Obama as a president. We ARE a powerful nation, we already have a foreign trade system going on with multiple nations already. we IMPORT IMPORT IMPORT. Other nations depend on us for the survival of their own economy and recognize our strength. It seriously makes me wonder what they think Obama is going ot do to help THEIR nation. I mean isnt he supposed to be soley worrying about strengthening OUR nation. I dont think of establishing fear in others is a good leading technique........but i also dont think reaching our hand out to any more nations is strategic. but hey Im an american, and I dont really like Obama, and i think the way that the nation is lifting him up and idolizing him is sickening. Hes a freaking politician. and this is not a popularity contest...this is real life. and he has not yet proven himself. at least i am not the only one that thinks it is scary even tho no one reads what i post very often anymore 
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I find it somewhat frightening that other nations would think highly upon the US for choosing Obama as a president. We ARE a powerful nation, we already have a foreign trade system going on with multiple nations already. we IMPORT IMPORT IMPORT. Other nations depend on us for the survival of their own economy and recognize our strength. It seriously makes me wonder what they think Obama is going ot do to help THEIR nation. I mean isnt he supposed to be soley worrying about strengthening OUR nation. I dont think of establishing fear in others is a good leading technique........but i also dont think reaching our hand out to any more nations is strategic. but hey Im an american, and I dont really like Obama, and i think the way that the nation is lifting him up and idolizing him is sickening. Hes a freaking politician. and this is not a popularity contest...this is real life. and he has not yet proven himself. at least i am not the only one that thinks it is scary even tho no one reads what i post very often anymore I read what you post quite often, actually!! 
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I find it somewhat frightening that other nations would think highly upon the US for choosing Obama as a president. We ARE a powerful nation, we already have a foreign trade system going on with multiple nations already. we IMPORT IMPORT IMPORT. Other nations depend on us for the survival of their own economy and recognize our strength. It seriously makes me wonder what they think Obama is going ot do to help THEIR nation. I mean isnt he supposed to be soley worrying about strengthening OUR nation. I dont think of establishing fear in others is a good leading technique........but i also dont think reaching our hand out to any more nations is strategic. but hey Im an american, and I dont really like Obama, and i think the way that the nation is lifting him up and idolizing him is sickening. Hes a freaking politician. and this is not a popularity contest...this is real life. and he has not yet proven himself. at least i am not the only one that thinks it is scary even tho no one reads what i post very often anymore |
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Personally I don't believe we were on the wrong track. I just think we had more to deal with, and maybe not all of it was dealt with in a fashion we agree with or had the results we wanted. Who is to say if someone else was leading the country at the time we wouldn't have had the same result. Lets just hope we do not have to deal with the issues of the past in the future. You don't believe that Bush's actions along with his daddy were the result of why America is in the situation we are in? I think Clinton had just as big a hand in things as G.W. did. I think both were more damaging that Bush senior although he had his parts. Better publicists were in control of the Clinton administration. We see this happening against with Obama as well. Forgive me for being skeptical but when he began to rehire memebers from Bush's and Clinton's administration it made me doubtful that we will endure any progress. Unfortunately our politicians haven't been running the "economy" since the early 1900's. And there are issues with our fiat currency that need to be dealt within order to have stable economy. Let me put it this way... one of the last things President JFK did was sign executive order 11110 which bypassed our central bank and put the government in charge of our currency again. Funny how the we still use the federal reserve and our government pays interest on evry dollar it prints huh? Anyways, i know this was directed at non-americans so in the spirit of the post i will comment on my foreign friends. I have a friend from the country of Poland. I found out she worked for various political parties in her country that were campaigning. She, and her family both thought us as being foolish for voting Obama in due to his experience level. Honestly they thought McCain was the smarter choice out of the two. The media shows support that Obama is getting because partly because they are payed to, and partly because they are just happy to see a "minority" in power. Most of the world, to include our country, i truely believe know almost nothing about Obama's intentions. Some do, some don't. On a side note Becca, i read your article describing his first day in office. This made me feel a bit refreshed to think he was working to smother lobbyists. (I heard him speaking our against lobbyism before.) This will help us in the long run. Unfortunately i don't see him changing our foreign policy at all, nor do i see him seeking any solutions to our economic problems as the banks pretty much run that show, and they don't allow congress to know what they talk about in their meetings. No but they sure as heck beg for money to help the institutions they stole from, made bad decisions losing money and expect the government and people to bail them out though don't they?? Ok, you are under the false impression that the federal reserve is part of our government. It's not. It is a private bank loaning billions at an interest rate from money they print themselves. This is the cause of our problem to begin with. If you charge interest for every single dollar in circulation, i ask you, "where do you get that interest to pay the banks from?" And BTW i am angry at the bailout, but the reason it passed is the fact that our fiat monetary system would crash unless our national debt increased drastically. Unfortunately this system is not sustainable in any way until the banks are no longer allowed to charge interest for loans. Think about it... |
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Edited by
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Personally I don't believe we were on the wrong track. I just think we had more to deal with, and maybe not all of it was dealt with in a fashion we agree with or had the results we wanted. Who is to say if someone else was leading the country at the time we wouldn't have had the same result. Lets just hope we do not have to deal with the issues of the past in the future. You don't believe that Bush's actions along with his daddy were the result of why America is in the situation we are in? I think Clinton had just as big a hand in things as G.W. did. I think both were more damaging that Bush senior although he had his parts. Better publicists were in control of the Clinton administration. We see this happening against with Obama as well. Forgive me for being skeptical but when he began to rehire memebers from Bush's and Clinton's administration it made me doubtful that we will endure any progress. Unfortunately our politicians haven't been running the "economy" since the early 1900's. And there are issues with our fiat currency that need to be dealt within order to have stable economy. Let me put it this way... one of the last things President JFK did was sign executive order 11110 which bypassed our central bank and put the government in charge of our currency again. Funny how the we still use the federal reserve and our government pays interest on evry dollar it prints huh? Anyways, i know this was directed at non-americans so in the spirit of the post i will comment on my foreign friends. I have a friend from the country of Poland. I found out she worked for various political parties in her country that were campaigning. She, and her family both thought us as being foolish for voting Obama in due to his experience level. Honestly they thought McCain was the smarter choice out of the two. The media shows support that Obama is getting because partly because they are payed to, and partly because they are just happy to see a "minority" in power. Most of the world, to include our country, i truely believe know almost nothing about Obama's intentions. Some do, some don't. On a side note Becca, i read your article describing his first day in office. This made me feel a bit refreshed to think he was working to smother lobbyists. (I heard him speaking our against lobbyism before.) This will help us in the long run. Unfortunately i don't see him changing our foreign policy at all, nor do i see him seeking any solutions to our economic problems as the banks pretty much run that show, and they don't allow congress to know what they talk about in their meetings. No but they sure as heck beg for money to help the institutions they stole from, made bad decisions losing money and expect the government and people to bail them out though don't they?? Ok, you are under the false impression that the federal reserve is part of our government. It's not. It is a private bank loaning billions at an interest rate from money they print themselves. This is the cause of our problem to begin with. If you charge interest for every single dollar in circulation, i ask you, "where do you get that interest to pay the banks from?" And BTW i am angry at the bailout, but the reason it passed is the fact that our fiat monetary system would crash unless our national debt increased drastically. Unfortunately this system is not sustainable in any way until the banks are no longer allowed to charge interest for loans. Think about it... No I am not under that mistaken impression but when the f$$kup where do they go for their bailouts??? Let it crash, better to rebuild!! |
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I find it somewhat frightening that other nations would think highly upon the US for choosing Obama as a president. We ARE a powerful nation, we already have a foreign trade system going on with multiple nations already. we IMPORT IMPORT IMPORT. Other nations depend on us for the survival of their own economy and recognize our strength. It seriously makes me wonder what they think Obama is going ot do to help THEIR nation. I mean isnt he supposed to be soley worrying about strengthening OUR nation. I dont think of establishing fear in others is a good leading technique........but i also dont think reaching our hand out to any more nations is strategic. but hey Im an american, and I dont really like Obama, and i think the way that the nation is lifting him up and idolizing him is sickening. Hes a freaking politician. and this is not a popularity contest...this is real life. and he has not yet proven himself. being the President of the US is much more than just taking care of the US. We wouldn't be a great nation if we were alone. Relationships with other countries is crucial. As far as idolizing Obama, I don't think most of us do that. I just think he's a breath of fresh air in a gloomy economic time and hopes of him doing better are high. And you're right about him not proving himself, but as an American I'll stand behind him unless he proves otherwise. Becca, http://mingle2.com/topic/show/199520 Look at my post in this thread. Then i respectfully ask you what Obama would do to help this economic crisis... He hasn't offered any help yet. But the changes he would have to make to help us would be much too drastic for any normal man to undergo. Look what happened to JFK when he tried to fix our financial crisis... (Yes, changes JFK tried to make would have PREVENTED our current crisis from happening.) |
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I've been hearing bits here and there about the other countries and how they feel about America. We all know how poorly they thought of us in the recent past. I'd love to hear from you in how you feel....if you feel anything at all. Are other countries really dancing in the streets for our new presidency and the way things are looking for us now? |
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Edited by
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Personally I don't believe we were on the wrong track. I just think we had more to deal with, and maybe not all of it was dealt with in a fashion we agree with or had the results we wanted. Who is to say if someone else was leading the country at the time we wouldn't have had the same result. Lets just hope we do not have to deal with the issues of the past in the future. You don't believe that Bush's actions along with his daddy were the result of why America is in the situation we are in? I think Clinton had just as big a hand in things as G.W. did. I think both were more damaging that Bush senior although he had his parts. Better publicists were in control of the Clinton administration. We see this happening against with Obama as well. Forgive me for being skeptical but when he began to rehire memebers from Bush's and Clinton's administration it made me doubtful that we will endure any progress. Unfortunately our politicians haven't been running the "economy" since the early 1900's. And there are issues with our fiat currency that need to be dealt within order to have stable economy. Let me put it this way... one of the last things President JFK did was sign executive order 11110 which bypassed our central bank and put the government in charge of our currency again. Funny how the we still use the federal reserve and our government pays interest on evry dollar it prints huh? Anyways, i know this was directed at non-americans so in the spirit of the post i will comment on my foreign friends. I have a friend from the country of Poland. I found out she worked for various political parties in her country that were campaigning. She, and her family both thought us as being foolish for voting Obama in due to his experience level. Honestly they thought McCain was the smarter choice out of the two. The media shows support that Obama is getting because partly because they are payed to, and partly because they are just happy to see a "minority" in power. Most of the world, to include our country, i truely believe know almost nothing about Obama's intentions. Some do, some don't. On a side note Becca, i read your article describing his first day in office. This made me feel a bit refreshed to think he was working to smother lobbyists. (I heard him speaking our against lobbyism before.) This will help us in the long run. Unfortunately i don't see him changing our foreign policy at all, nor do i see him seeking any solutions to our economic problems as the banks pretty much run that show, and they don't allow congress to know what they talk about in their meetings. No but they sure as heck beg for money to help the institutions they stole from, made bad decisions losing money and expect the government and people to bail them out though don't they?? Ok, you are under the false impression that the federal reserve is part of our government. It's not. It is a private bank loaning billions at an interest rate from money they print themselves. This is the cause of our problem to begin with. If you charge interest for every single dollar in circulation, i ask you, "where do you get that interest to pay the banks from?" And BTW i am angry at the bailout, but the reason it passed is the fact that our fiat monetary system would crash unless our national debt increased drastically. Unfortunately this system is not sustainable in any way until the banks are no longer allowed to charge interest for loans. Think about it... No I am not under that mistaken impression but when the f$$kup where do they go for their bailouts??? Let it crash, better to rebuild!! Than you agree that the banks caused our current problem... I agree, our fiat monetary system needs to crash so we can build a working one. Make no mistake. Mathmatically speaking it will crash someday, the sooner the less damaging. Banks charge interest for all the money being circulated. That is known as the "principal" or "P". They want the people to pay them P + interest. P/(P+I) does not work. Therefore the system will crash. And on a side note, when they F- up they merely go to the central bank for the bailout. Our government is not giving any of them any money, our federal reserve bank is. |
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Personally I don't believe we were on the wrong track. I just think we had more to deal with, and maybe not all of it was dealt with in a fashion we agree with or had the results we wanted. Who is to say if someone else was leading the country at the time we wouldn't have had the same result. Lets just hope we do not have to deal with the issues of the past in the future. You don't believe that Bush's actions along with his daddy were the result of why America is in the situation we are in? I think Clinton had just as big a hand in things as G.W. did. I think both were more damaging that Bush senior although he had his parts. Better publicists were in control of the Clinton administration. We see this happening against with Obama as well. Forgive me for being skeptical but when he began to rehire memebers from Bush's and Clinton's administration it made me doubtful that we will endure any progress. Unfortunately our politicians haven't been running the "economy" since the early 1900's. And there are issues with our fiat currency that need to be dealt within order to have stable economy. Let me put it this way... one of the last things President JFK did was sign executive order 11110 which bypassed our central bank and put the government in charge of our currency again. Funny how the we still use the federal reserve and our government pays interest on evry dollar it prints huh? Anyways, i know this was directed at non-americans so in the spirit of the post i will comment on my foreign friends. I have a friend from the country of Poland. I found out she worked for various political parties in her country that were campaigning. She, and her family both thought us as being foolish for voting Obama in due to his experience level. Honestly they thought McCain was the smarter choice out of the two. The media shows support that Obama is getting because partly because they are payed to, and partly because they are just happy to see a "minority" in power. Most of the world, to include our country, i truely believe know almost nothing about Obama's intentions. Some do, some don't. On a side note Becca, i read your article describing his first day in office. This made me feel a bit refreshed to think he was working to smother lobbyists. (I heard him speaking our against lobbyism before.) This will help us in the long run. Unfortunately i don't see him changing our foreign policy at all, nor do i see him seeking any solutions to our economic problems as the banks pretty much run that show, and they don't allow congress to know what they talk about in their meetings. No but they sure as heck beg for money to help the institutions they stole from, made bad decisions losing money and expect the government and people to bail them out though don't they?? Ok, you are under the false impression that the federal reserve is part of our government. It's not. It is a private bank loaning billions at an interest rate from money they print themselves. This is the cause of our problem to begin with. If you charge interest for every single dollar in circulation, i ask you, "where do you get that interest to pay the banks from?" And BTW i am angry at the bailout, but the reason it passed is the fact that our fiat monetary system would crash unless our national debt increased drastically. Unfortunately this system is not sustainable in any way until the banks are no longer allowed to charge interest for loans. Think about it... No I am not under that mistaken impression but when the f$$kup where do they go for their bailouts??? Let it crash, better to rebuild!! Than you agree that the banks caused our current problem... I agree, our fiat monetary system needs to crash so we can build a working one. Make no mistake. Mathmatically speaking it will crash someday, the sooner the less damaging. Banks charge interest for all the money being circulated. That is known as the "principal" or "P". They want the people to pay them P + interest. P/(P+I) does not work. Therefore the system will crash. And on a side note, when they F- up they merely go to the central bank for the bailout. Our government is not giving any of them any money, our federal reserve bank is. In my opinion they are because the approved the bailout, it may not be directly coming from congress, but it is indirectly....IMO |
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My question is; Why would Americans care what people outside the country thought?
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