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As a "non American" I have always admired the bridging of the "Great Divide" in the USA. Your country leads the way in "giving credit where credit is due" e.g, I am speaking in terms of promoting those who are capable of and those who deserve to be promoted. Can you in your wildest dreams see a Black, Asian,Chinese or other "race" prime minister, mayor, Lord Chief Justice in the UK this side of this century? Me neither........ Seems America leads the field in "If the person is right for the job, then by all means allow that person to get on with it" Britain unfortunately is still very much steeped in the "Old Boy/Old Tie Network" it isn't a case of getting a job in higher places because of your achievements, it is a case of being born into the right family/circle and of course having that old "silver spoon" firmly rooted in your mouth!.......... Note to Gordon Brown and other political doyens, watch and learn. Thank you BonnyMiss and, how are you?....I hope all is better for you !!!!!! |
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HONESTLY ,,I THINK PEOPLE FROM OTHER COUNTRIES ARE REALL EXCITED FOR US ,,,BECAUSE THE PRESIDENT ISNT INVOLVED ONLY IN THE US,,BUT IN ALL THE NATIONS WHEN IT COMES TO CRISIS ,,AND AS FAR AS THE PEOPLE SAYING IF WE ARE READY FOR A BLACK PRESIDENT ,,I DONT SEE WHY NOT ,WE JUST HAD A RETARDED ONE ,,LOL Learn more about government and please dont yell, thank you. You can not just blame the Preisdent of the US, you must blame the cabinet, Congress, the House of Representatives and everyone in this as well as the rich lobbyist, pork-bellying, etc!! |
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As a "non American" I have always admired the bridging of the "Great Divide" in the USA. Your country leads the way in "giving credit where credit is due" e.g, I am speaking in terms of promoting those who are capable of and those who deserve to be promoted. Can you in your wildest dreams see a Black, Asian,Chinese or other "race" prime minister, mayor, Lord Chief Justice in the UK this side of this century? Me neither........ Seems America leads the field in "If the person is right for the job, then by all means allow that person to get on with it" Britain unfortunately is still very much steeped in the "Old Boy/Old Tie Network" it isn't a case of getting a job in higher places because of your achievements, it is a case of being born into the right family/circle and of course having that old "silver spoon" firmly rooted in your mouth!.......... Note to Gordon Brown and other political doyens, watch and learn. Thank you BonnyMiss and, how are you?....I hope all is better for you !!!!!! Good morning 1000111010123, I am well, thank you for asking, I hope all is well with you. |
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Its amazing to me, that the best man would not be able to take the reigns in the UK. Every Brit I speak to puts forth an intelligent conversation. I am truely dismayed that the UK would not be more forward thinking.
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I'm with you on that. However, I believe the terrorists knew they were going down. It was what they were taught. And I wouldn't have wanted to be in the presidential seat during these times either. However, I also believe Bush's bad judgment reared it's ugly head time and time again. Not only about the war we started with Iraq, but also with many many other issues. Although I think Bush was a strong president, I think he was also a bad one. I also believe that Obama will have to show his strength in his presidency. The problems endured for him to take care of will force him to "put his money where is mouth is" so to speak. Look I am not against Obama, he has my support, but who's to say he didnt make bad decisions with the information provided to him. I believe he was lead in certain directions by others. The president runs the country through delegation, but he is the one in the public eye that gets the SH!T!! I am not saying I agree with everything either, just that it was a very difficult time and if any American thinks they could have done a better job with the information he had, then by all means throw your hat in the ring. I have faith in Obama too, lets just not knock the old administration for doing what it thought was best with the information it had at hand!! I am glad we want the best man for the job. And Amen, BonnyMiss, BTW You are beautiful and have beautiful eyes!! Thank you........Blushing aside, I normally run a mile from the religion and political threads, but I am enjoying this thread. |
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As a "non American" I have always admired the bridging of the "Great Divide" in the USA. Your country leads the way in "giving credit where credit is due" e.g, I am speaking in terms of promoting those who are capable of and those who deserve to be promoted. Can you in your wildest dreams see a Black, Asian,Chinese or other "race" prime minister, mayor, Lord Chief Justice in the UK this side of this century? Me neither........ Seems America leads the field in "If the person is right for the job, then by all means allow that person to get on with it" Britain unfortunately is still very much steeped in the "Old Boy/Old Tie Network" it isn't a case of getting a job in higher places because of your achievements, it is a case of being born into the right family/circle and of course having that old "silver spoon" firmly rooted in your mouth!.......... Note to Gordon Brown and other political doyens, watch and learn. Thank you BonnyMiss and, how are you?....I hope all is better for you !!!!!! Good morning 1000111010123, I am well, thank you for asking, I hope all is well with you. Doing great lass  I'm glad to see you still have your pic up
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I'm with you on that. However, I believe the terrorists knew they were going down. It was what they were taught. And I wouldn't have wanted to be in the presidential seat during these times either. However, I also believe Bush's bad judgment reared it's ugly head time and time again. Not only about the war we started with Iraq, but also with many many other issues. Although I think Bush was a strong president, I think he was also a bad one. I also believe that Obama will have to show his strength in his presidency. The problems endured for him to take care of will force him to "put his money where is mouth is" so to speak. Look I am not against Obama, he has my support, but who's to say he didnt make bad decisions with the information provided to him. I believe he was lead in certain directions by others. The president runs the country through delegation, but he is the one in the public eye that gets the SH!T!! I am not saying I agree with everything either, just that it was a very difficult time and if any American thinks they could have done a better job with the information he had, then by all means throw your hat in the ring. I have faith in Obama too, lets just not knock the old administration for doing what it thought was best with the information it had at hand!! I am glad we want the best man for the job. And Amen, BonnyMiss, BTW You are beautiful and have beautiful eyes!! Thank you........Blushing aside, I normally run a mile from the religion and political threads, but I am enjoying this thread. Me too!  
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HONESTLY ,,I THINK PEOPLE FROM OTHER COUNTRIES ARE REALL EXCITED FOR US ,,,BECAUSE THE PRESIDENT ISNT INVOLVED ONLY IN THE US,,BUT IN ALL THE NATIONS WHEN IT COMES TO CRISIS ,,AND AS FAR AS THE PEOPLE SAYING IF WE ARE READY FOR A BLACK PRESIDENT ,,I DONT SEE WHY NOT ,WE JUST HAD A RETARDED ONE ,,LOL Learn more about government and please dont yell, thank you. You can not just blame the Preisdent of the US, you must blame the cabinet, Congress, the House of Representatives and everyone in this as well as the rich lobbyist, pork-bellying, etc!! Sea...I've been stating over and over and over again...Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution...The Congress shall have the power to collect taxes... The Congress shall have the power to declare war...until I'm blue in the face...which in my case...is an improvement...to no avail...  |
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uk1971
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Thu 01/22/09 07:50 AM
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As a non American, and not really into politics, I am nonetheless of the belief that a leader should be judged on his achievements rather than his/her promises.
Let's just wait a year or two and see just how much Obama achieves. Once the 'Honeymoon' period is over and expectations are realized/dashed, make a judgement then. |
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HONESTLY ,,I THINK PEOPLE FROM OTHER COUNTRIES ARE REALL EXCITED FOR US ,,,BECAUSE THE PRESIDENT ISNT INVOLVED ONLY IN THE US,,BUT IN ALL THE NATIONS WHEN IT COMES TO CRISIS ,,AND AS FAR AS THE PEOPLE SAYING IF WE ARE READY FOR A BLACK PRESIDENT ,,I DONT SEE WHY NOT ,WE JUST HAD A RETARDED ONE ,,LOL Learn more about government and please dont yell, thank you. You can not just blame the Preisdent of the US, you must blame the cabinet, Congress, the House of Representatives and everyone in this as well as the rich lobbyist, pork-bellying, etc!!  Stand back everyone i think Aprils upset To quote the great immortal Rodney King " Can't we all just get along"
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Its amazing to me, that the best man would not be able to take the reigns in the UK. Every Brit I speak to puts forth an intelligent conversation. I am truely dismayed that the UK would not be more forward thinking. You've heard of the saying "come stay with me and come live with me are not the same" Well, to most outsiders all seems well, but to those who live here the story is different. I speak first hand when I say this,time and time again I have spoken to agencies or employers on the phone, I give my name, then turn up, only to be given a look of disbelief, or the classic "You cannot be" My maiden name is a typical Scottish surname, my speech is very clipped, very British, plum-in-the-mouth accent, I have had countless hours of fun when a random White person (White guys especially, no, I am not being racist here) sidle up to me and open up a conversation in a fake Jamaican accent, and I respond............ 
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As a non American, and not really into politics, I am nonetheless of the belief that a leader should be judged on his achievements rather than his/her promises. Let's just wait a year or two and see just how much Obama achieves. Once the 'Honeymoon' period is over and expectations are realized/dashed, make a judgement then. Spoken with a clear level head My hats off to you my friend
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Its amazing to me, that the best man would not be able to take the reigns in the UK. Every Brit I speak to puts forth an intelligent conversation. I am truely dismayed that the UK would not be more forward thinking. You've heard of the saying "come stay with me and come live with me are not the same" Well, to most outsiders all seems well, but to those who live here the story is different. I speak first hand when I say this,time and time again I have spoken to agencies or employers on the phone, I give my name, then turn up, only to be given a look of disbelief, or the classic "You cannot be" My maiden name is a typical Scottish surname, my speech is very clipped, very British, plum-in-the-mouth accent, I have had countless hours of fun when a random White person (White guys especially, no, I am not being racist here) sidle up to me and open up a conversation in a fake Jamaican accent, and I respond............ Become American you will go far, I am absolutely sure about that. My question is, is it your race or gender that dismays them?? |
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As a non American, and not really into politics, I am nonetheless of the belief that a leader should be judged on his achievements rather than his/her promises. Let's just wait a year or two and see just how much Obama achieves. Once the 'Honeymoon' period is over and expectations are realized/dashed, make a judgement then. A promise is comfort to a fool America has four years to watch their new president either falter or grow, time will tell. I do feel there is too much hope pinned on the new president, but it is good to see hope for a brighter future restored. |
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Its amazing to me, that the best man would not be able to take the reigns in the UK. Every Brit I speak to puts forth an intelligent conversation. I am truely dismayed that the UK would not be more forward thinking. You've heard of the saying "come stay with me and come live with me are not the same" Well, to most outsiders all seems well, but to those who live here the story is different. I speak first hand when I say this,time and time again I have spoken to agencies or employers on the phone, I give my name, then turn up, only to be given a look of disbelief, or the classic "You cannot be" My maiden name is a typical Scottish surname, my speech is very clipped, very British, plum-in-the-mouth accent, I have had countless hours of fun when a random White person (White guys especially, no, I am not being racist here) sidle up to me and open up a conversation in a fake Jamaican accent, and I respond............ Become American you will go far, I am absolutely sure about that. My question is, is it your race or gender that dismays them?? I think first and foremost it is my gender, then race and the old adage " brains and beauty do not go together" ( I was actually told this, so no, I am not bragging) what's a girl to do? Promotion goes over my head to those who have less qualifications than I have, I did not get as far as I could in the building trade,( a mans' world) and did not for one moment like the suggestion made a careers advisor....... "Why don't you go into the nursing profession, Black women make superb nurses" little does she know, I am terrified of needles Do you think America is ready for me ?
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As a non American, and not really into politics, I am nonetheless of the belief that a leader should be judged on his achievements rather than his/her promises. Let's just wait a year or two and see just how much Obama achieves. Once the 'Honeymoon' period is over and expectations are realized/dashed, make a judgement then. A promise is comfort to a fool America has four years to watch their new president either falter or grow, time will tell. I do feel there is too much hope pinned on the new president, but it is good to see hope for a brighter future restored. I wont judge Obama anymore than I would the Previous leaders, I would have to walk a mile in their shoes first and do what they do to make that kind of judgement. |
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Its amazing to me, that the best man would not be able to take the reigns in the UK. Every Brit I speak to puts forth an intelligent conversation. I am truely dismayed that the UK would not be more forward thinking. You've heard of the saying "come stay with me and come live with me are not the same" Well, to most outsiders all seems well, but to those who live here the story is different. I speak first hand when I say this,time and time again I have spoken to agencies or employers on the phone, I give my name, then turn up, only to be given a look of disbelief, or the classic "You cannot be" My maiden name is a typical Scottish surname, my speech is very clipped, very British, plum-in-the-mouth accent, I have had countless hours of fun when a random White person (White guys especially, no, I am not being racist here) sidle up to me and open up a conversation in a fake Jamaican accent, and I respond............ Become American you will go far, I am absolutely sure about that. My question is, is it your race or gender that dismays them?? I think first and foremost it is my gender, then race and the old adage " brains and beauty do not go together" ( I was actually told this, so no, I am not bragging) what's a girl to do? Promotion goes over my head to those who have less qualifications than I have, I did not get as far as I could in the building trade,( a mans' world) and did not for one moment like the suggestion made a careers advisor....... "Why don't you go into the nursing profession, Black women make superb nurses" little does she know, I am terrified of needles Do you think America is ready for me ? Absolutely we are, and your success won't be held from you because of ethnicity or gender....and I have never lived in the UK, so, I really couldnt tell you what it is like to live under UK rules, regs, and government. |
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As a non American, and not really into politics, I am nonetheless of the belief that a leader should be judged on his achievements rather than his/her promises. Let's just wait a year or two and see just how much Obama achieves. Once the 'Honeymoon' period is over and expectations are realized/dashed, make a judgement then. A promise is comfort to a fool America has four years to watch their new president either falter or grow, time will tell. I do feel there is too much hope pinned on the new president, but it is good to see hope for a brighter future restored. I wont judge Obama anymore than I would the Previous leaders, I would have to walk a mile in their shoes first and do what they do to make that kind of judgement. I wouldn't, I think their job is much too hard.I don't think I would like every aspect of my day to day private activities being publicly broadcasted either |
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Personally I don't believe we were on the wrong track. I just think we had more to deal with, and maybe not all of it was dealt with in a fashion we agree with or had the results we wanted. Who is to say if someone else was leading the country at the time we wouldn't have had the same result. Lets just hope we do not have to deal with the issues of the past in the future. You don't believe that Bush's actions along with his daddy were the result of why America is in the situation we are in? I think Clinton had just as big a hand in things as G.W. did. I think both were more damaging that Bush senior although he had his parts. Better publicists were in control of the Clinton administration. We see this happening against with Obama as well. Forgive me for being skeptical but when he began to rehire memebers from Bush's and Clinton's administration it made me doubtful that we will endure any progress. Unfortunately our politicians haven't been running the "economy" since the early 1900's. And there are issues with our fiat currency that need to be dealt within order to have stable economy. Let me put it this way... one of the last things President JFK did was sign executive order 11110 which bypassed our central bank and put the government in charge of our currency again. Funny how the we still use the federal reserve and our government pays interest on evry dollar it prints huh? Anyways, i know this was directed at non-americans so in the spirit of the post i will comment on my foreign friends. I have a friend from the country of Poland. I found out she worked for various political parties in her country that were campaigning. She, and her family both thought us as being foolish for voting Obama in due to his experience level. Honestly they thought McCain was the smarter choice out of the two. The media shows support that Obama is getting because partly because they are payed to, and partly because they are just happy to see a "minority" in power. Most of the world, to include our country, i truely believe know almost nothing about Obama's intentions. Some do, some don't. On a side note Becca, i read your article describing his first day in office. This made me feel a bit refreshed to think he was working to smother lobbyists. (I heard him speaking our against lobbyism before.) This will help us in the long run. Unfortunately i don't see him changing our foreign policy at all, nor do i see him seeking any solutions to our economic problems as the banks pretty much run that show, and they don't allow congress to know what they talk about in their meetings. |
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As a non American, and not really into politics, I am nonetheless of the belief that a leader should be judged on his achievements rather than his/her promises. Let's just wait a year or two and see just how much Obama achieves. Once the 'Honeymoon' period is over and expectations are realized/dashed, make a judgement then. A promise is comfort to a fool America has four years to watch their new president either falter or grow, time will tell. I do feel there is too much hope pinned on the new president, but it is good to see hope for a brighter future restored. Wow...very wise indeed. I agree 20000%....
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