Why do we fight religion? Brainwashing children to believe that myths are facts and that science is a joke is a start. Also, religion supports, enables, and justifies some of the most absurd acts on this planet. What has our past and present taught us? What have we seen? Jihadists, crusaders, inquisitors, martyrs, and many subsets that mimic these despicable themes. Today we have people flying planes into buildings and blowing themselves up so they can enter an eternal paradise. We have people who claim to be worshipping the only true god and everyone else on this planet (4 out of the 6 billion people alive) are going to burn for eternity. These people call themselves Christians.


What about religious tolerance and all the good-hearted moderates? 'Religious moderates are, in large part, responsible for the religious conflict in our world, because their beliefs provide the context in which scriptural literalism and religious violence can never be adequately opposed...We must find our way to a time when faith, without evidence, disgraces anyone who would claim it' -Sam Harris


Religion is often the catalyst for unreasonable atrocities. Whether it is the main cause or merely an excuse to help justify the acts, religion is responsible. 'I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.' -Adolf Hitler


Today the world fears a self fulfilled prophecy from the book of Revelations. We have thousands of Jihadists chanting 'death to America!' these confused apes would see a silver lining in a skyline-altering mushroom cloud. They say it is their religious duty to acquire nuclear arms. They say, 'I'm fighting so I can die a martyr and go to heaven to meet God.' -Osama Bin Laden

fight it all you want...teach your kids whatever you want...teach'm they are little mini-gods if you like.

Don't tell me how to teach mine...

I will let my son learn what he wants. I will never pressure him to believe what I do. If he wants to know about any religion at all, I will get him the tools to do so. It will be up to him.

Where's the dang thumbs up emoticon.. drats. Oh well you get the idea.. grin

Seamonster, we humans learn very very very very slowly. Brainwashing has been going on for thousands of years....

Now you are blaming Chrisitans for what the Radical Muslims are doing and saying.Nice one!Anything else you want to use Christianity as a scapegoat for?Maybe you can blame Christians for you high electric bill or maybe you can blame them for your late truck payment.You have blamed them for everything else.

This is what my mother did, she was raised under brutal grandparents that always used god as a tool against her, she decided she would let us believe what we wanted, she would teach the morals of doing to others as you would have them do to you, and she continues to this day to be a spiritual person, but does not feel the need to force that on anyone else.

I think you are doing the right thing HK!



Again mini gods? Sorry we will teach them that all people regardless of belief deserve life.

People are people not gods, not sons of gods.

When you realize this is the only life you get, you try to make the most of it.

No we are not, we are saying that the hypersensitivity to any kind of criticism of religion is the fault of ALL religion, and that this hypersensitivity is just as damaging when you are trying to move from the dark ages into the modern ages.


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PS I think the whole title of the thread is a bit misleading. I myself do not wish to have a non-holy war. I really would rather just a big series of conversations.

For 1 the scripture does not teach eternal torment. That was not a belief untill Dante's play and clergy found it to be a scare tactic.

That was wrong. But we know know where that came from. The Jihadists I can not speak for. They changed when Mohammad cam along. The Jews and believers lived with them untill after his assention as they say.

One thing about the bible is all religions want to claim Yahshua as a prophet of thiers. That is not true with any other prophet. Moses and Abraham are some but mainly Yahshua.

This says alot about what went on back then. Even kings wanted to be Known as a follower of Yahshua.

So when you look at it in that sence yes the scriptures we adhere to hold up water. No other religion can make that claim.

The unreasonable atrocities were performed by what the bible call wolves in sheep clothing. We have them today. Thier is a basic set of laws given to man.The last 6 commandments are in all societies the 4th commandment ia a sign between Yahweh and his people and the 1st 3 are how you are to love Yahweh with all your heart soul and mind. Just as the last 6 is a purely moral way to show love towards your brother.

The judgement that will come on the non believer will be on the last 6. We read about no murderer will enter his kingdom. You must still have a pure heart to enter. The fire and brimstone tactic is just that. To scare you. A tactic derived from satan. Anyone who preaches this is a woldf in sheeps clothing and will be judged harchly.

The bible has been misused. But the promice is its true will ,will come back. Many allmost the whole world will hate its message. Because the perverted things we call normal now will be called evil..Shalom...Miles

All children are born atheists. It takes heavy indoctrination to teach them otherwise. I think teaching children that religion is fact is wrong. No child should be presented with the concept that any myth is fact.

You sure do love putting words into the mouths of others, but yeah.... we can't stop blaming christians for everything when it's factually their fault all the time.

what good could be known without first the sight of evil?

then what god be known without first seeing what be satan?

then which be of greater value?

are not both as equal, as each footstep being one of satan, less knowing, and each step of god more knowing?

then if no human plight be realized without footsteps, then WHICH FOOTSTEPS ARE GREATER?

is it not thinking most less knowing be of one or the other that create STRIFE of one, and then of all?

many religions predicted a dawn of greater knowing, and only sought to create it with PHYSICAL FORCE?

text even say heaven and hell shall PASS AWAY, but each word written within shall not?

but indeed, all words within created HEAVEN FOR SOME AND HELL FOR OTHERS?

heaven was likened unto GOD, and HELL likened unto satan?

but BOTH shall pass away?

did not even all the knew jesus try to get him TRY TO CREATE SOME KINGDOM, BY ACCESSING OTHERS AS LESS, so then as evil?

do not all that believe as mohammad seek to do the same?

do not all that believe in buddha believe all other religions be as less?

do not all jews believe others be as less, and self as special?

was the word god known before any biblical text?

was the word devil known before any biblical text?

was good seen as god or better in all days past?

was "bad" seen as evil in days long before any modern times?

it seems such things are not of partiality to any one religion, but have come forth from the minds of humans since the days of human beginning?

infinite numbers of past peoples "feeling" a knowing of greater truth, and then the desire to believe such things as possible truth?

what caused all such to FIRST THINK SUCH THINGS?

did any say in itself, I SHALL SOON COME TO BELIEVE A GREAT TRUTH?

is it not more so that the natural inclination of all humans born mortal are designed to FIRST see others as less, as less smart, and therefore ignorant, any THIS hide any greater picture of what may be more knowing?

indeed many used "thoughts" TO CREATE THINGS IN IGNORANCE, but does that mean the FIRST THOUGHTS were ignorance, or was it rather more primitive
"awareness" creating ignorant "definitions"
from them, and these then creating ignorant "actions" as well with them, such as the destruction of many other things deemed as LESS then self?

did not hitler display the same INNER BELIEF, THIS CREATING THEN THE COMMON MOTIVE?

what religion that NOW EXIST, did not first come from a "feeling" of ONE INDIVIDUAL THAT THOUGHT ITSELF AS MORE WISE, then, sought to collect and surround itself with only others that agreed to the same "definitions"?

do not ALL large religions first stand on ONE common premise FIRST, that all others believing different as are less insightful and having no good knowing?

then how is not this a natural common feeling of all things when first born?

do not the many natural "feelings" of self preservation first envoke such thinking, as what does not believe at first that any other that do any harm to itself, be as enemeies?

this then grow and flower into many things later, but the same FIRST ideas coming most from what is not as self, be as less or not as good?

is not this then just the natural "comparative" mind working as designed, and is being told to all things in youth, that this is BAD, then later CREATE A LARGER BIAS AND SELF REPRESSION, that is not allowed to see more of itself, so see not more GOOD about others?

each human then living more each day come to see, that what it once swore was evil of another, it do in some essence the same, and THIS BE THE GREATEST BLESSING, and not a curse, to aquire commonality as it grow?

the same as to say, EXCREMENT IS EQUAL TO FOOD?

the same as to say, SUGAR BE EQUAL TO BITTER?

but the mind love SWEET for self, and destest BITTER from others of itslf, so true sight of self come to be deluded, AS EACH WAS MEANT AS A FAMILY, TO JUDGE ONE ANOTHER, AND NOT SEE THIS JUDGING AS "EVIL".....

is not the entire human civilization set up on JUDGING, as each court in the land, could not seek the whole knowing of any situation, less one was called forth to stand trial for it's words and actions?

but still the inert feeling of what one once did, catching up to self, will bring back PAIN OR MISERY OR DEMISE for self, ALLOW THE EYE TO TURN A BLIND EYE TO WHAT IT SEE, FOR FEAR IT BE BE JUDGED ITSELF?

the feeling one's own actions and words are as chasing behind, then causing many good actions and deeds to be envoked, but all such actions only coming from this "fear" of bad coming BACK TO SELF?

would not ALL THINGS FEELING AND DOING ANF HEEDING THIS, SOON LEAD TO A COLLECTIVE LACK OF BETTER SIGHT?

each only looking to preserve SELF MOST?

so what religion come from things outside, and not as from inside, a perception that actually force one to deny reality?

would not this simply make good deeds and kind words only most for the sake of WISHING THESE BE GIVEN BACK TO SELF?

then creating a place of "facade" and many things thought to be hidden in time, and since all such things are using the same tactics, all come to demise toegther, as the leaders of all doing the same to ensure power and existence, by only seeking to please the people?

to see others in past days or one's in modern times as less knowing, only ALLOW TO CONVINCE SELF IT IS MORE GOOD, then create even more what be THE ROOT of all religion of the individual, and of MANY, and of ALL things naturally?

accessing then therefore ignorance, and therefore less intelligence, and therefore less value, and therefore less than self?

if all peoples ever born then, first enter then some "religious" definition of things heard, this be not marked with certain words of "holy", but only a "holier or better than thee mind"?

how can such things as religion then pass away, if what CREATE such things are not seen by self, as IF SELF SEE ANYTHING THAT IT IS THAT IS LESS BENIFICAL, SELF WILL REMIND SELF ANYTIME IT CROSS IT'S OWN TRUTH?

for each be as a PURE AND PERFECT ONE, in not allowing self to do such after any day of greater knowing, and LEAD SELF TO BETTER PLACES, where all good power and things flow from?

the same as EACH be a self-correcting type writer typing out each page of it's human life, and no good thing can be retrained from anything, that HEED ITSELF?

but it seems to only look at a tree that be created, all the leaves of it being the many actions and words of what be less good, and not see the ROOT of it, does nothing to undo the tree, to recreate it into something of more common peace and unity, which be of MORE GOOD AND SELFISH THINGS FOR SELF, that will not fail self?

sure, what self believe in the mind, sought to be validated and recognized by others thinking the same, only create each their own personal GROUP OF DICIPLES, drawing then only MINIMAL power for self from common validation......

if such things can be seen in the human nature, then where doth religion actually come from in it's inception?

to see such things of self UNLEASH A CONSTANT POWER WITHIN SELF, that was great enough to create a lessor power called human life, THAT NEVER KNOW ANY UNHAPPINESS, and cannot fail at actually creating happiness for all others one wish to create it for?

if each human have two forces within itself, then can these be what was given to create a human or mortal energy or force to propell forward human steps?

if what block a natural limited power of energy and awareness, be removed, WHAT IS THE POTENTIAL OF ALL HUMAN BEINGS?

the comparative mind rightfully see all that is different than itself, and the other being the "awareness" of greater, or the heart or subconscious mind as the other, that does not deny what it see as true, as all thougths of the mind resisted create hate within, then hate without, but accepted, and then the decision to want to know still remain, BE THE MORE POWER TO GET ANSWERS FOR ALL TNINGS ALL HUMANS WISH TO KNOW, from the hearts of humans that were once said to be from the fountain of youth.....

unpeace to peace......



called forth, the "forethought" that equalize all data of the mind, and stop the reisistence of malice and hate created within the "energy" or soul of any human thing......

This is truly hilarious coming from a Christian.

When are Christians going to quite proselytizing their religion to the children of others?

The whole problem with Christianity in the first place is it's proselytizing nature. And the fact that it wants to put it's beliefs into the law of the land and have its beliefs taught in schools as those it has scientific merit.

When Christians quite pushing so hard to brainwash my children maybe I'll consider leaving their children alone too.

But until then, let them get a good solid dose of their own hateful hurtful medicine.

As long as Christianity is a proselytizing religion it deserves NO RESPECT whatsoever.

It is constantly trying to brainwash the children of others, and threating them that God will hate them and send them to hell if they don't convert.

It's the most underhanded disrespectful religion ever created by man.

It's clearly ungodly, and there is nothing divine about it.

It has historically proven itself to be the works of arrogant egotistical men, and not the word of any divine being.

The works of Christianity have historically been shown to be clearly hateful and bigoted, and thoroughly ignorant.

It's a proven failure and clearly not of divine origin.

It's spreads hatred, division, and bigotry. Just the opposite of the brotherly love it pretends to support.

wrong...you just have your own axe to grind abra.

You can rant and rave all you like but you're as powerless as who you really serve.

I for one am sick of your ridiculous rants.

Same ol, same ol...

So true!

if all children are born atheists, then what of the guilty adults that were once children, and if the children were then the original seed of the evil of religion, than what ONE first baby brought all the holy water?

how is religion any more than accessing all acts as either right or wrong, good or evil, this then telling self it know and be more good than another?

all humans naturally see unequal and biased simply by the act of birth....

what child does not seek food more than ****?

are not both as equally vital to human living?

in this same way, does not each act of a human, naturally have guilt for any act that it later deem to be as less fitting?

does not each human feel pain for deeds that harm another?

guilt could be easily seen as evil, that create the need for some absolution, but what then instructed self to feel guilt?

holy perception is a given for all things mortal, thinking some acts be righteouss, and others be not righteouss, and this pass not away less it be recognized within self, and this pass not away less self reckon with itself, and the mind no longer work in a human fashion, and this was NEVER MEANT OT BE, or utopion would have existed long ago?

but if no good and bad were lived by a human, then no greater awareness would have been increased?

but all these be stored in the memory of all humans?

so if there be any greater seeing of all things and actions as equal, not seeing some as holy and some as not holy, then only the memory freed from electrical charges placed upon it, with either "positive" charge or "negative" charge, would have to be erased?

then, any human could pull up all data at any time, not being restricted to access all constant and current awarness thru the memory?

the memory being as marked for all mankind since the beginning of time, intentionally, as a time release capsule to allow all opposite spectrums to be experienced by the exact numbers of people to be born during any given human cycle?

the memory being in the same likeness as a round of caps for a cap gun, each "experience" marking the role of tape the memory with a CHARGE?

this be never erased until the heart find how to equalize all things the mind speak that say "evil" exist "out there"........

the mind be the bias, the heart be the wisdom that finish the sentence?

the mind being knowledge, the heart being the wisdom?

the mind the student giving a question, and each taking it as a "whole" truth, create a religion of itself, thinking it was a commandment or wisdom to go and solve?

many things being built this way, even devices that slew billions?

the mind be the student, not giving but a half, the heart giving the answer to make self EQUAL to all things outside itself?

peace

As who you really serve? WTF does that even mean?
So now he worships the devil because he has an oppinion diffrent than yours?

Miles this almost slipped under the radar. I want to ask you a question. Could you give some examples of things that may be called normal today that when come rapture will be evil?

I've given my life to God, not that I think you'd understand the meaning of that.

I didn't say he worships him, I just implied that he's serving his agenda...


The atheists think it's horrible that the evil wicked Christians take their kids to church. In fact they spout on and on ad nauseum about how Christians are so horrible, evil, vile and wicked but give them even a tiny taste of their own medicine and they go off the deep end... sheeesh...
I don't come in these threads to preach. Everyone at some time or another feels an unmistakable tightening in their chest and is made aware that they are being invited to walk in fellowship with God. If they shine it on or insist they don't, oh well..."Many are called but few are chosen".
I don't start threads to specifically bash anyone elses sincere beliefs, or non-beliefs...
You want to think you are your own God and your own views are superior but you spend all your time bashing mine.

You've chosen to believe in, and support, a doctrine that bashes the beliefs of all other faiths.

You're stuck with that truth whether you like it or not.

In fact, if you disagree with it, then you disagree with the very dogma that you claim to worship.

You say:



First off, this is totally false and a figment of your own imagination. I have personally been able to see through the dogma of the Bible to recognize its ungodliness.

I reject it because it is ungodly.

It is the works of wretched men.

Secondly, the second part of your statement proves that it's the ungodly works of wretched men, ..."Many are called but few are chosen".

This is a picture of a loser God.

This is a picture of a God who is not the God of many, but only the God of a very few.

In the belief system that you've chosen to worship your God rejects the vast majority the souls that he creates.

This is in fact why this picture of God is vile.

Rest assured Allen, the God that I know accepts and loves all. Without exception.

I may denounce the dogma that you worship, but I don't denounce you.

You, on the other hand, denounce me as being ungodly.

You are not responsible for the dogma that you worship.

The real creator of this universe is not about to hold you responsible for that dogma. The men who blasphemed themselves will have to deal with that in their own time.

But as long as you support that hateful divisive vile dogma that pits man against man and claims ownership of God, then you'll have to deal with the affects of that hoarding mindset.

When you hoard God, you steal God from me.

I don't steal God from you at all.

I don't claim that you are in any way at war with God.

But you do seem to be at war with humanity when you attempt to hoard God and denounce others as being ungodly.

That is an insult to humanity.

So many things to say, not enough time, just posting so i remember to come back. hago