It’s difficult to focus only on one subject, when discussing abortion.

As one person mentioned, there are millions of children without loving care givers. These children have been left in the hands of the states and nations to which they are a part. Yet in spite of the dire need for people to commit to raising these children, we have adoptions laws that prohibit certain capable people from adopting. The same state agencies, at least in the U.S., have such strict conventions in place that many poorer families cannot live up to the ‘states’ idea of a ‘worthy’ home. Many people are not allowed to adopt though they are willing to take a child as their own and love that child and share whatever they have to share. We govern adoption to such a great extent that I would guess, at best, only 50% of all the children currently living with a natural parent would not even qualify to adopt their own children.

Then we have state intervention. In the cases where people refuse certain medical treatment for their children based of their religious beliefs. For all those who oppose abortion based on “religious” grounds, I expect you despise the fact that state has the right to intervene in cases were children seem to be suffering when they need not be. In the cases where people are kept alive by machines, how much faith is required to turn off the machine, versus who gets to make the decision? However, are those lives not in the hands of the same God you feel is so powerful? Does God or doesn’t God decide? Yet you would march in and deny a family their right to put their faith in that same God. Do you make a better judge than God? How can you know that the people making these choices were not put in that position by the same God? What self-serving purpose is there is forcing your opinion in such instances on another, for it seems to serve no purpose to God.

We are also at a point, technologically, to determine much about the health of an unborn child. We even have in utero surgical procedures that can be preformed. But when it’s discovered that a child, through malformation or genetic disorder, will have little quality of life and much suffering while in it; it amazes me how many of you would opt to have that child born. I have the greatest respect for any person that must make such a decision. I imagine, not one of them, would be willing to give less than their own life to make that baby well and whole; but they can’t. So they must decide if they have what it will take, emotionally and financially, to have that baby. To those who would deny those parents the right to decide the fate of that baby and thus their own, I would tell you – then depend on God when you are suffering and leave medicine to the Godless. I would tell you, sorry ‘bout your luck and the loss of your job and the loss of your car, you could no longer pay for, but no food stamps for you, where is your Godly provider?

Then there are those who bring up what if scenarios, what if rape, what if incest, what if, is just another kind of decision, it results in the same choices. You cannot be pro one and not the other.

For all those who are against abortion, there is also the question of the military. Who would not destroy a child coming at you and your family with a bomb in hand? How many of the abortion nay-slayers supported and continue to support the U.S. military efforts currently at hand? How many of you would look at cases of genocide and not be willing to ‘murder’ those who are committing it? For you, I would ask, when is it our decision to take a life or not to? When do YOU WANT the right to take the life of another into your own hands? When you determine that, remember that is YOUR choice, give others the right to make their own.

That is the pro-life stance. Women should not be able to kill off another life which abortion does. Abortion kills pre born babies.

I don't know I guess I am just sensitive about this subject. I went to high school with a girl that had 3 abortions because she was a whore and just would not use anything. Those are the types of people I am referring too.

There is something very 'StepfordWifean' about religious fundamentalists.

Everything is seen through a singular and VERY orderly perspective. A categorical black and white dogmatic stance.

... all, and everything MUST be made to look, feel and agree with 'the perspective': be in perfect agreement with the 'order of things', as ordered in the 'big book'.

The 'big book' makes life SO SIMPLE!!!

If only... !!!

If only everyone understood the 'big book', AS DO A VERY FEW, life would be 'SO WONDERFUL', and
SO ORDERLY, and SO SIMPLE!!!

No grey zones in the 'Big book'. That's its main ATTRACTION. It has an answer for everything. A categorical, black or white, good or bad answer for EVERYTHING. If you don't find at first, keep reading, and reading, it makes it up eventually.

If only !!!

... if only all people would just agree to have it so SIMPLE!!! All would be so orderly and wonderful!!!

Unfortunately all people are not so SIMPLE, and this leaves the religious fundamentalist 'members' with no other option than to 'StepfordWife' the whole bunch of infidels into the 'RIGHT' MOLD, the one that fits with the black and white, good or bad, simple answer to everything which only THE BOOK HOLDS!!!

Seen through that SIMPLE BOOK, EVEN ABORTION is a simple issue,
... so is war,
... so is homosexuality,
... so are Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, ...
... so are foreighners,
... so is science,
... so is evolution,
... so is the history the universe ...

And so on, and so on, ad infinitum...


SIMPLE!!! Never need to deal with the disorderly and chaotic dimensions of REAL LIFE EVER AGAIN!!!


Where's the 'FundamentalistStepfordWife' Kool-Aid???

There is something very 'StepfordWifean' about religious fundamentalists.

Everything is seen through a singular and VERY orderly perspective. A categorical black and white dogmatic stance.

...and so simple it escapes so many...HUH!

... all, and everything MUST be made to look, feel and agree with 'the perspective': be in perfect agreement with the 'order of things', as ordered in the 'big book'.

... and it works too!!!! YIPPEE!!!!

The 'big book' makes life SO SIMPLE!!!

If only... !!!

If only everyone understood the 'big book', AS DO A VERY FEW, life would be 'SO WONDERFUL', and
SO ORDERLY, and SO SIMPLE!!!

Yepper!

No grey zones in the 'Big book'. That's its main ATTRACTION. It has an answer for everything. A categorical, black or white, good or bad answer for EVERYTHING. If you don't find at first, keep reading, and reading, it makes it up eventually.

No grey areas???? Faith is the grey area. I guess that escapes some too...huh?

If only !!!

... if only all people would just agree to have it so SIMPLE!!! All would be so orderly and wonderful!!!

NAH! That's impossible in a corrupt world with people at every level of growth & confusion. NOPE! That grey area you desire... it's called faith. We all have it & use it whether we want to believe it or not.

Unfortunately all people are not so SIMPLE, and this leaves the religious fundamentalist 'members' with no other option than to 'StepfordWife' the whole bunch of infidels into the 'RIGHT' MOLD, the one that fits with the black and white, good or bad, simple answer to everything which only THE BOOK HOLDS!!!

From the looks of this board I think they should rename it the Christian Bashing Bigot Board. Would that satisfy some?

Seen through that SIMPLE BOOK, EVEN ABORTION is a simple issue,
... so is war,
... so is homosexuality,
... so are Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, ...
... so are foreighners,
... so is science,
... so is evolution,
... so is the history the universe ...

And so on, and so on, ad infinitum...

...and some speak that which they know nothing about. Walk a mile in the shoes of someone who walks the life of faith then you might agree...with THEM! SHOCK! HORROR! To see the truth revealed! Anything but that! EEKS!


SIMPLE!!! Never need to deal with the disorderly and chaotic dimensions of REAL LIFE EVER AGAIN!!!


Where's the 'FundamentalistStepfordWife' Kool-Aid???

Faith? EEEEEEKKKKS!!!!!!

I REST MY CASE!!!

Thanks for your help in making my point ever so clear Quikstepper!

A 'simple' out-of-the-book answer for everything, 'orderly' and neatly tucked under every point!!!

When it comes to having the 'fundamentalists' shine, they can always count on you to 'black & white it' in the most SIMPLE of ways.

Taps foot...so does that mean you finally "get it." ????


You make me laugh. I really hope you get a sense of humor soon dear boy.

There is something very 'StepfordWifean' about religious fundamentalists.

Everything is seen through a singular and VERY orderly perspective. A categorical black and white dogmatic stance.

... all, and everything MUST be made to look, feel and agree with 'the perspective': be in perfect agreement with the 'order of things', as ordered in the 'big book'.

The 'big book' makes life SO SIMPLE!!!

If only... !!!

If only everyone understood the 'big book', AS DO A VERY FEW, life would be 'SO WONDERFUL', and
SO ORDERLY, and SO SIMPLE!!!

No grey zones in the 'Big book'. That's its main ATTRACTION. It has an answer for everything. A categorical, black or white, good or bad answer for EVERYTHING. If you don't find at first, keep reading, and reading, it makes it up eventually.

If only !!!

... if only all people would just agree to have it so SIMPLE!!! All would be so orderly and wonderful!!!

Unfortunately all people are not so SIMPLE, and this leaves the religious fundamentalist 'members' with no other option than to 'StepfordWife' the whole bunch of infidels into the 'RIGHT' MOLD, the one that fits with the black and white, good or bad, simple answer to everything which only THE BOOK HOLDS!!!

Seen through that SIMPLE BOOK, EVEN ABORTION is a simple issue,
... so is war,
... so is homosexuality,
... so are Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, ...
... so are foreighners,
... so is science,
... so is evolution,
... so is the history the universe ...

And so on, and so on, ad infinitum...


SIMPLE!!! Never need to deal with the disorderly and chaotic dimensions of REAL LIFE EVER AGAIN!!!


Where's the 'FundamentalistStepfordWife' Kool-Aid???

A girl enjoys sex and she's a whore?

hmmmmm

I'm all for protection and yes kids now days should know, and alot of them do.
But for me to step in and tell a woman what she can or can not do with her body is (to me anyway) a violation in of itself.
It's realy only the religious that are up in arms about it.
It seems they can't wait to tell other people how to live their lives.

Sorry you missed it 'quik', but I sure thought the whole thing was pretty funny!

Not the 'simple-black & white' kind of funny, but very funny nonetheless

I bid you good night 'dear girl' !