i'd like to say that any bones in the dirt doesn't prove anything but it lived and died. there is no acurate way to determine an age of anything

i refer to the book called THE RATE PROJECT (heavy reading but informative)not a religous book either

or i can refer to you the book BONES OF CONTENTION

i see how you derived at that but it was more of a statement rather than speaking of my faith

Directed at Deke

If you have indeed read any of these texts, then you should be more than capable of offering us a synopsis as I have given you Deke. I will gladly read anything you have to offer and respond accordingly.

"deke" ...but wasn't it because of your faith why you made the statement ..which means you are once again contradicting yourself

deke I see you going to need a lot of practice before you can be a good christian forum missionary

But now you are changing the acceptable premise of the attributes of God. "Before God" is a contradictory statement to the idea of the definition of God (as it were). If this is to be established as "fact" - then you no longer have a viable argument. Therefore you can establish no conclusions. This does not prove that God is not the creator of everything - since your premise is unacceptable.



But this doesn't negate the point as an option. Since the whole OP is based on opinion and unverifyable premises anyway - there is no argument for disclaiming it as a fourth option.

LOL...Ohhhhh!!!! this is the best one yet. Delusions???? hahahahahaha

Every man is born with an INSTINCT of God.

It's much more than a delusion... hahahaha

More to the point are people who want to change God's word & His will for some feel good phoney sort of something... that does nothing for them in the long run.

That is the only thing that is made up. hehehehe Silly...

Clearly not your interpretation of a "godhead" however.

"Eljay" since the debate is about what existed before God ...then whether God does or does not exist is not the issue ..

so that is why there is no need to include the fourth option that God doesn't exist ..because what would be the point of the debate ...it would end before it begin

"Quikstepper" ...those with an instinct for God is no different than those that have an instinct in the tooth fairy ...since neither can prove either ...it's called paraniod delusion

i'm not on here trying to win souls for CHRIST.although i should be.i do it by giving my testamony.i was a womanzing drug addict who once thought if it feels good do it.through Christs
teachings i found peace and comfort with who i am and found forgiveness for all the things that i've done.serving GOD is not something that appeals to everyone just the word serving tends to push people away i used to be the same way.i like speaking to people personally rather than this.i type 20 words a min with 30 mistakes. this place actually strentghens me in my faith because i see the way peolple think because i used to be one of you

doesn't mean i'm perfect but it makes me feel good.

If it helps you live a better life then that is all that counts

put simply :THE RATE PROJECT
more than proves that any means we have to date an item doesn't work.from carbon dating to radio metric dating.if you like to know the specific reasons as to why please read it.it's to much for me to type on here.

BONES OF CONTENTION:assessment of the human bones found that have been dated incorrectly or just plain lied about.another good book for this is ICONS OF EVOLUTION whinch pretty much has the same conclusions

may i add one more : IN THE BEGINNING. BY WALT BROWN. i found this book answered alot of questions

thank you

I also remember Christ saying that he was not here to change the laws of Moses ...which was actually his intentions

"deke"...I see you have been following the teachings of jesus ...a class in deception 101 perhaps

Higher intelligent beings will know the where and the why... given that our ancestors were probably aliens and ultimately their spirituality evolved before we existed. :)

"deke" you probably thought the same thing when you were a womanizing drug addict

he didn't say tho shalt not steal unless you love did he.i accept it for what it is and that is what i get from doesn't mean you have to get the same thing i do.i think your only decieving yourself if you think that CHRIST was here to change the law.

You should be capable of offering a brief synopsis (as I did). Otherwise you are simply stating the names of books. Anyone could do that. I am asking you to demonstrate critical thinking skills here. Thank you.

"deke" if Jesus wasn't here to change the laws of Moses and change the religion there wouldn't be a need for The New Testament ...

I believe in the "Lint Fairy". Instead of a dollar for your front teeth he leaves you a pile of lint because he’s a cheap bastard.