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Kasiaa
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There is a God. I have asked many questions of God and some questions God has answered and some God has not or maybe I did not hear the answers because I have not learned to listen properly. Not what if and not only 2 questions.  Maybe you wanted funny answers. I would ask "can you hear me now?" "can you hear me now?" Would you care to share your revelations from the supreme creator? There is a book you can read for your own answers. I let you guess the books name. Fictional stories from long ago greatest hits? Believe or not believe is a free choice you have. You can not say with fact stories are fictional if you are not a 2000 year old person. I will not attempt to convince you of anything. You must find your own path and your own destination. |
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There is a God. I have asked many questions of God and some questions God has answered and some God has not or maybe I did not hear the answers because I have not learned to listen properly. Not what if and not only 2 questions. Maybe you wanted funny answers. I would ask "can you hear me now?" "can you hear me now?" Would you care to share your revelations from the supreme creator? There is a book you can read for your own answers. I let you guess the books name. Fictional stories from long ago greatest hits? Believe or not believe is a free choice you have. You can say with fact stories are fictional if your are not a 2000 year old person. I will not attempt to convince you of anything. You must find your own path and your own destination. So basically you have nothing to offer, no proof or guidance, why participate at all? |
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I'd ask if he/she/it felt if they were an underachiever.
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There is a God. I have asked many questions of God and some questions God has answered and some God has not or maybe I did not hear the answers because I have not learned to listen properly. Not what if and not only 2 questions. Maybe you wanted funny answers. I would ask "can you hear me now?" "can you hear me now?" Would you care to share your revelations from the supreme creator? There is a book you can read for your own answers. I let you guess the books name. Fictional stories from long ago greatest hits? Believe or not believe is a free choice you have. You can not say with fact stories are fictional if you are not a 2000 year old person. I will not attempt to convince you of anything. You must find your own path and your own destination. So basically you have nothing to offer, no proof or guidance, why participate at all? I participate for you. If I do not participate you will have no person to listen to your ideas and you will be alone. I am here for you. If you did not need attention you would not write statements to my statements. It is okay. I am not bothered by your hostility and I know you can not help it. You are not alone. |
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So there
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Consider this. If a person opposes even the possibility of there being a God, then any evidence can be rationalized or explained away. It is like if someone refuses to believe that people have walked on the moon, then no amount of information is going to change their thinking. Photographs of astronauts walking on the moon, interviews with the astronauts, moon rocks...all the evidence would be worthless, because the person has already concluded that people cannot go to the moon.
When it comes to the possibility of God's existence, the Bible says that there are people who have seen sufficient evidence, but they have suppressed the truth about God.1 On the other hand, for those who want to know God if he is there, he says, "You will seek me and find me; when you seek me with all your heart, I will be found by you." |
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Question 1:
Why do you need adoration Question 2: Why discriminate on half your children |
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Consider this. If a person opposes even the possibility of there being a God, then any evidence can be rationalized or explained away. It is like if someone refuses to believe that people have walked on the moon, then no amount of information is going to change their thinking. Photographs of astronauts walking on the moon, interviews with the astronauts, moon rocks...all the evidence would be worthless, because the person has already concluded that people cannot go to the moon. When it comes to the possibility of God's existence, the Bible says that there are people who have seen sufficient evidence, but they have suppressed the truth about God.1 On the other hand, for those who want to know God if he is there, he says, "You will seek me and find me; when you seek me with all your heart, I will be found by you." Intelligent people can conclude and still have their minds changed by evidence. I believe what I believe about my religion and God because I have seen evidence which I consider strong. When I see evidence that over overwhelmingly contradicts my beliefs then I will reconsider my religious beliefs because I am intelligent. I am not sure if your statement was meant for me. If it was not then do not read this. 
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Consider this. If a person opposes even the possibility of there being a God, then any evidence can be rationalized or explained away. It is like if someone refuses to believe that people have walked on the moon, then no amount of information is going to change their thinking. Photographs of astronauts walking on the moon, interviews with the astronauts, moon rocks...all the evidence would be worthless, because the person has already concluded that people cannot go to the moon. When it comes to the possibility of God's existence, the Bible says that there are people who have seen sufficient evidence, but they have suppressed the truth about God.1 On the other hand, for those who want to know God if he is there, he says, "You will seek me and find me; when you seek me with all your heart, I will be found by you." Intelligent people can conclude and still have their minds changed by evidence. I believe what I believe about my religion and God because I have seen evidence which I consider strong. When I see evidence that over overwhelmingly contradicts my beliefs then I will reconsider my religious beliefs because I am intelligent. I am not sure if your statement was meant for me. If it was not then do not read this. 
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Consider this. If a person opposes even the possibility of there being a God, then any evidence can be rationalized or explained away. It is like if someone refuses to believe that people have walked on the moon, then no amount of information is going to change their thinking. Photographs of astronauts walking on the moon, interviews with the astronauts, moon rocks...all the evidence would be worthless, because the person has already concluded that people cannot go to the moon. When it comes to the possibility of God's existence, the Bible says that there are people who have seen sufficient evidence, but they have suppressed the truth about God.1 On the other hand, for those who want to know God if he is there, he says, "You will seek me and find me; when you seek me with all your heart, I will be found by you." Intelligent people can conclude and still have their minds changed by evidence. I believe what I believe about my religion and God because I have seen evidence which I consider strong. When I see evidence that over overwhelmingly contradicts my beliefs then I will reconsider my religious beliefs because I am intelligent. I am not sure if your statement was meant for me. If it was not then do not read this. As you already believe, it wasn't meant for you. It was meant for those who've convinced themselves that God does not exist and therefore proof can not be found. On these threads I read many people's statements that if God exists, he'd reveal himself. What they don't understand is that for those who sincerely seek him, he does reveal his presence. |
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Consider this. If a person opposes even the possibility of there being a God, then any evidence can be rationalized or explained away. It is like if someone refuses to believe that people have walked on the moon, then no amount of information is going to change their thinking. Photographs of astronauts walking on the moon, interviews with the astronauts, moon rocks...all the evidence would be worthless, because the person has already concluded that people cannot go to the moon. When it comes to the possibility of God's existence, the Bible says that there are people who have seen sufficient evidence, but they have suppressed the truth about God.1 On the other hand, for those who want to know God if he is there, he says, "You will seek me and find me; when you seek me with all your heart, I will be found by you." Intelligent people can conclude and still have their minds changed by evidence. I believe what I believe about my religion and God because I have seen evidence which I consider strong. When I see evidence that over overwhelmingly contradicts my beliefs then I will reconsider my religious beliefs because I am intelligent. I am not sure if your statement was meant for me. If it was not then do not read this. MirrorMirror, I see you constantly seeking attention and approval from random strangers. Why not seek approval from him that knows you best and loves you most? |
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God and religion is preoccupied with the governing of human conduct and influencing people socially though fear and promises of rewards. This was not always the case, religion changed remarkably after societys became stratafied into social classes, recorded history documents this as king hammurabi was given a code of laws by god governing and distributing punishments for social conduct. It has followed this theme hence forward, mordern christianity can be proven as a collection of stories adopted and changed to have as thier own. As of now or ever no proof has been given as to the existance of this entity. Moses in his time still believed in many Gods but chose yaweh as his personal god. Monotheism sought to futher consolidate competing religions for social reasons during the time of rome. All three branches of modern religion based on the old testament are based on the adopted stories of the jewish people who encountered many religions and adopted their stories as would someone growing up in a different part of the world adopt social customs. The great flood is a borred story predating the old testament, jesus is another borred chararcter from the mythrain religion who was born of a virgin, had 12 disciples was betrayed cruicfied and ressurected. Hardly anything in the modern bible has not been borrowed from other cultures, this is factual history, you can look it up. So my question for god is if he wants people to follow and believe in him why is this being so elusive and uninvolved, why not reveal himself/herself/itself and state its true purpose for mankind, it would bring an end to violence and renew the broken bonds of the human race from political and ideological differances. Why not show yourself? Punk. Anyone wanna address this? As for belief being a requirement to see god and reason dictating that there likely is no god, why would god do this? Belief can be powerful it can help you believe things that are not. what are the origins of your belief? Comfort, release from pain or a gain in pleasure? This is the ultimate source of what operates in belief and faith if you completely deny logic. What possible mechanism does Faith, which = blind bias and adherance to what can not be logically proven or even reasonably made a case for grant you in higher understanding? Are you stating the path to higher knowledge is through a denial of reason? In fact your beliefs prohibit you from making any case at all as you would than be using reason which negates your claims. Reason asks what is more plausable, a story history has traced its origins and motives and use for social control through fear and ignorance, or a prankster god who hides fosils to test your faith equips you with logic that discredits his existance and sentances you to eternal damnation for it. Seriously come on now. Make a case, i can make any claim as well and challenge you to disprove while circumstance prohibits it. It does not in fact make it likely or even worth while. A common axiom is you can not prove a universal negative, with your use of reason therefore big foot also exists yet you have no motives to believe this, so you deny logic and side step to pick and choose what suits your conditioned emotional states. Isnt this obvious? |
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God and religion is preoccupied with the governing of human conduct and influencing people socially though fear and promises of rewards. This was not always the case, religion changed remarkably after societys became stratafied into social classes, recorded history documents this as king hammurabi was given a code of laws by god governing and distributing punishments for social conduct. It has followed this theme hence forward, mordern christianity can be proven as a collection of stories adopted and changed to have as thier own. As of now or ever no proof has been given as to the existance of this entity. Moses in his time still believed in many Gods but chose yaweh as his personal god. Monotheism sought to futher consolidate competing religions for social reasons during the time of rome. All three branches of modern religion based on the old testament are based on the adopted stories of the jewish people who encountered many religions and adopted their stories as would someone growing up in a different part of the world adopt social customs. The great flood is a borred story predating the old testament, jesus is another borred chararcter from the mythrain religion who was born of a virgin, had 12 disciples was betrayed cruicfied and ressurected. Hardly anything in the modern bible has not been borrowed from other cultures, this is factual history, you can look it up. So my question for god is if he wants people to follow and believe in him why is this being so elusive and uninvolved, why not reveal himself/herself/itself and state its true purpose for mankind, it would bring an end to violence and renew the broken bonds of the human race from political and ideological differances. Why not show yourself? Punk. Anyone wanna address this? As for belief being a requirement to see god and reason dictating that there likely is no god, why would god do this? Belief can be powerful it can help you believe things that are not. what are the origins of your belief? Comfort, release from pain or a gain in pleasure? This is the ultimate source of what operates in belief and faith if you completely deny logic. What possible mechanism does Faith, which = blind bias and adherance to what can not be logically proven or even reasonably made a case for grant you in higher understanding? Are you stating the path to higher knowledge is through a denial of reason? In fact your beliefs prohibit you from making any case at all as you would than be using reason which negates your claims. Reason asks what is more plausable, a story history has traced its origins and motives and use for social control through fear and ignorance, or a prankster god who hides fosils to test your faith equips you with logic that discredits his existance and sentances you to eternal damnation for it. Seriously come on now. Make a case, i can make any claim as well and challenge you to disprove while circumstance prohibits it. It does not in fact make it likely or even worth while. A common axiom is you can not prove a universal negative, with your use of reason therefore big foot also exists yet you have no motives to believe this, so you deny logic and side step to pick and choose what suits your conditioned emotional states. Isnt this obvious? Matthew 13 "And the disciples came to him and asked, "Why do you speak to the people in parables?" 11He replied, "The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. 12Whoever has, will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. 13This is why I speak to them in parables: "Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand. 14In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah: " 'You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving. 15For this people's heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.'[a] 16But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear. 17For I tell you the truth, many prophets and righteous men longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it. 18Listen" |
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Ok I'll argue myself and give you an out not that it matters. Ok strange you say that logic and reason are guides to knowing correct? "I suppose" Are you farmiliar with the concept of emergant properties? "I am". Well it is used in biology and in other cases where a holistic view is nessesary, the compistion of cells would never be predictied by looking at atoms, that things behave differently and are more than the sum of their parts, correct? "Yeah...I agree" For instance I could explain swimming to you, I could elaborate on styles, bouyancy(exuse the spelling) and other aspects in a logiocal fashion, now would that prepare you for the subjective expereince of swimming? "no...I suppose not" You'd be in for a surprize assuming youve nevr have been swimming. So somethings can not be broken down into their component parts and correctly be experienced yes? "well....I'd have to agree." So isnt it possible that if you view the idea of God rationally and use logic to understand a wholistic experience you may in fact be missing something, because as you agreed the sum is sometimes more than the components. So in fact aplly logic and reason, which break things down for a better understanding may not be the correct way to interpret something that is interpreted holistically correct? "I guess" SO you admitt that it is possible, that emergent properties is in itself a scientific paradigm and logic and reason has limits on understanding things of a holistoic nature? " OK I GET IT FINE!" Good.
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How can I do what you can?
Did you write the Bible? |
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How do I worship you best Father?
How will I serve you the most? |
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There is a God. I have asked many questions of God and some questions God has answered and some God has not or maybe I did not hear the answers because I have not learned to listen properly. Not what if and not only 2 questions. Maybe you wanted funny answers. I would ask "can you hear me now?" "can you hear me now?" Would you care to share your revelations from the supreme creator? There is a book you can read for your own answers. I let you guess the books name. Fictional stories from long ago greatest hits? Believe or not believe is a free choice you have. You can say with fact stories are fictional if your are not a 2000 year old person. I will not attempt to convince you of anything. You must find your own path and your own destination. So basically you have nothing to offer, no proof or guidance, why participate at all? Proof is all around you. CREATION is proof. WAKE UP!!!! You will get the proof you so desire one day soon. |
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If there is a supreme being (not necessarily the Christian deity), then I would ask these two questions:
1) Are souls reincarnated? 2) Why did you create suffering and why allow it to continue? |
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Since God is not awnsering I will be taking questions. Long ago I challenged the christian deity for dominoin over the earth, he never showed, so I am in fact the new sumpreme being by default.
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