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I'm saying that the problem with this country is lack of respect and honor! I have never gotten anything for free, or been given a free pass! I demand respect, and I give respect! The point is we fought for the freedom's everyone else enjoys. And we come home to people disrespecting us for our serving! So we help you to have freedom and we are condemned for it. You are saying it's ok to bash a solider, because you have the freedom to do so. But who gave you the freedom you to be able to speak your mind? I have been place's you would be whipped, your tongue cut out or even be killed for speaking your mind. So please do not try to twist what I'm saying here to you agenda. 
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I'm saying that the problem with this country is lack of respect and honor! I 100% agree with you. I have never gotten anything for free, or been given a free pass! I demand respect, and I give respect! The point is we fought for the freedom's everyone else enjoys. And we come home to people disrespecting us for our serving! So we help you to have freedom and we are condemned for it. Having never been allowed to serve, I wouldn't know what you are hearing about having served. However, I have talked to my Dad about when he returned home from Viet Nam. I may not have experienced it, but I do know about it. You are saying it's ok to bash a solider, because you have the freedom to do so. But who gave you the freedom you to be able to speak your mind? I have been place's you would be whipped, your tongue cut out or even be killed for speaking your mind. Uh uh. Stop right there. I never said, in ANY way, that soldier bashing was ok. You referred to me twisting your words when I wasn't doing that. Don't try to twist mine to suit yourself. Had I seen ANYONE bashing a soldier, I would have instantly stepped in and defended the soldier in question. I know the things my Dad has told me about what he went through. I have the freedom to speak my mind because of my Dad and many thousands like him. I know that, and I appreciate it. What I did see was a soldier coming in here after someone had stated her opinion, and berating her for stating that opinion. I'm sorry, but that was disrespectful. The person who stated the opinion said nothing bad about ANY soldier. So please do not try to twist what I'm saying here to you agenda. I was not trying to do that in any way, shape, or form. You can read my words any way you choose. That's your right. Those who know me know that I say exactly what I mean and I don't twist anyone else's words to suit my needs. I have plenty of words of my own that I can use. |
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I'm saying that the problem with this country is lack of respect and honor! I 100% agree with you. I have never gotten anything for free, or been given a free pass! I demand respect, and I give respect! The point is we fought for the freedom's everyone else enjoys. And we come home to people disrespecting us for our serving! So we help you to have freedom and we are condemned for it. Having never been allowed to serve, I wouldn't know what you are hearing about having served. However, I have talked to my Dad about when he returned home from Viet Nam. I may not have experienced it, but I do know about it. You are saying it's ok to bash a solider, because you have the freedom to do so. But who gave you the freedom you to be able to speak your mind? I have been place's you would be whipped, your tongue cut out or even be killed for speaking your mind. Uh uh. Stop right there. I never said, in ANY way, that soldier bashing was ok. You referred to me twisting your words when I wasn't doing that. Don't try to twist mine to suit yourself. Had I seen ANYONE bashing a soldier, I would have instantly stepped in and defended the soldier in question. I know the things my Dad has told me about what he went through. I have the freedom to speak my mind because of my Dad and many thousands like him. I know that, and I appreciate it. What I did see was a soldier coming in here after someone had stated her opinion, and berating her for stating that opinion. I'm sorry, but that was disrespectful. The person who stated the opinion said nothing bad about ANY soldier. So please do not try to twist what I'm saying here to you agenda. I was not trying to do that in any way, shape, or form. You can read my words any way you choose. That's your right. Those who know me know that I say exactly what I mean and I don't twist anyone else's words to suit my needs. I have plenty of words of my own that I can use. I so agree with this..Before anyone bashes me for not being military I have buried many family members my uncle also served Nam and was a pow for 3 years. We also lost family in 9/11. I will also state there is to many inconsistencies in this story. I was married to a Sgt. Major. I know military Protocal very well. So I am asking respectively for a link to be provided to the Newspaper article itself. I will always respect the military. No one gives me the right of my opinion. Being born in the UNITED STATES gives me that right. |
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very beautiful.....and kudos to the captain..
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I'm saying that the problem with this country is lack of respect and honor! I 100% agree with you. I have never gotten anything for free, or been given a free pass! I demand respect, and I give respect! The point is we fought for the freedom's everyone else enjoys. And we come home to people disrespecting us for our serving! So we help you to have freedom and we are condemned for it. Having never been allowed to serve, I wouldn't know what you are hearing about having served. However, I have talked to my Dad about when he returned home from Viet Nam. I may not have experienced it, but I do know about it. You are saying it's ok to bash a solider, because you have the freedom to do so. But who gave you the freedom you to be able to speak your mind? I have been place's you would be whipped, your tongue cut out or even be killed for speaking your mind. Uh uh. Stop right there. I never said, in ANY way, that soldier bashing was ok. You referred to me twisting your words when I wasn't doing that. Don't try to twist mine to suit yourself. Had I seen ANYONE bashing a soldier, I would have instantly stepped in and defended the soldier in question. I know the things my Dad has told me about what he went through. I have the freedom to speak my mind because of my Dad and many thousands like him. I know that, and I appreciate it. What I did see was a soldier coming in here after someone had stated her opinion, and berating her for stating that opinion. I'm sorry, but that was disrespectful. The person who stated the opinion said nothing bad about ANY soldier. So please do not try to twist what I'm saying here to you agenda. I was not trying to do that in any way, shape, or form. You can read my words any way you choose. That's your right. Those who know me know that I say exactly what I mean and I don't twist anyone else's words to suit my needs. I have plenty of words of my own that I can use. I so agree with this..Before anyone bashes me for not being military I have buried many family members my uncle also served Nam and was a pow for 3 years. We also lost family in 9/11. I will also state there is to many inconsistencies in this story. I was married to a Sgt. Major. I know military Protocal very well. So I am asking respectively for a link to be provided to the Newspaper article itself. I will always respect the military. No one gives me the right of my opinion. Being born in the UNITED STATES gives me that right. LOL this is the problem! Thinking the country gives you the right to have an opinion. I have really heard it all now! Thank you MR. rock for my freedom? lol |
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Edited by
longhairbiker
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Sun 12/28/08 09:08 PM
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Why did I fight? Where was my purpose? What was my defense of? I thought about it a long time when I returned home with my wounds. I volunteered. I was not forced into service. I was honored to serve and took pride in my accomplishments and successes to excel myself as never I will again. I fought to save others facing tyrrany and oppression. I fought to save innocents caught up in the middle of conflict no result of their own. I fought to save americans caught in conflict. I fought for fellow soldiers whom deserved my respect and sacrifice. I fought so that we could protect our freedoms and that in hope others would take their freedoms seriously and celebrate those freedoms that are not celebrated so easily in distant lands. I fought for the love and respect of my fellow man and woman in hopes that they would prosper by choice and have beautiful long lives full of blessings, happiness, and contentment. I fought selflessly so others would not have to. That we may all someday live in peace. I fought for peace.
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Edited by
grannithands
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Sun 12/28/08 09:11 PM
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I'm saying that the problem with this country is lack of respect and honor! I 100% agree with you. I have never gotten anything for free, or been given a free pass! I demand respect, and I give respect! The point is we fought for the freedom's everyone else enjoys. And we come home to people disrespecting us for our serving! So we help you to have freedom and we are condemned for it. Having never been allowed to serve, I wouldn't know what you are hearing about having served. However, I have talked to my Dad about when he returned home from Viet Nam. I may not have experienced it, but I do know about it. You are saying it's ok to bash a solider, because you have the freedom to do so. But who gave you the freedom you to be able to speak your mind? I have been place's you would be whipped, your tongue cut out or even be killed for speaking your mind. Uh uh. Stop right there. I never said, in ANY way, that soldier bashing was ok. You referred to me twisting your words when I wasn't doing that. Don't try to twist mine to suit yourself. Had I seen ANYONE bashing a soldier, I would have instantly stepped in and defended the soldier in question. I know the things my Dad has told me about what he went through. I have the freedom to speak my mind because of my Dad and many thousands like him. I know that, and I appreciate it. What I did see was a soldier coming in here after someone had stated her opinion, and berating her for stating that opinion. I'm sorry, but that was disrespectful. The person who stated the opinion said nothing bad about ANY soldier. So please do not try to twist what I'm saying here to you agenda. I was not trying to do that in any way, shape, or form. You can read my words any way you choose. That's your right. Those who know me know that I say exactly what I mean and I don't twist anyone else's words to suit my needs. I have plenty of words of my own that I can use. Well first off thank your dad for me! I think that I took what you were saying wrong. I'm just so damn tired of people disrespecting me and my brothers and sisters. I did not serve to get a ty or a guest spot on Letterman! I served to serve my county, and the travel wasn't bad either! I guess what I'm saying is the lack of respect in this country for soldiers is terrible! |
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As a widow of a veteran you have the right to have the flag presented to you if the chain of command auhorizes it as a military courtesy. Wheather the service member was active duty or not. However you are asked if you want to recieve it and the honor to be a part of your spouses burial. As a spouse your husbands body is your property to do with as you please as soon as the military releases it to the coroner and they release it to you.
However some women honor the Parent's by allowing them to have their child's flag presented to them. Especially if it is an inner generational military family. Or another significant person such as a sibling in the service. Or even the oldest son; as in my case. Who held it for me per his stepfather's wishes because I could not. I have seen cases where it was the specific request of the service member that it be presented to a specific party. Sometimes a brother in arms. Or a life long best friend. Some military marriages cross many cultural lines and customs and generally the military trys to be discreet and considerate. As far as military custom's go they are generally custom's when in regards to dependent family members and not regulations that have the forbearance of legal entitilements. If anyone in Chain of Command wants to revoke or ammend a privilege it is, or at least was, at the discreation of the military. It really makes no difference to me if people want to believe the validity of this post; or not. I respect any American's right to their opinion no matter how repulsive and disrespectful I might find it. Soldiers and their families do not generally serve to be respected by their country but because they respect their country. |
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As a widow of a veteran you have the right to have the flag presented to you if the chain of command auhorizes it as a military courtesy. Wheather the service member was active duty or not. However you are asked if you want to recieve it and the honor to be a part of your spouses burial. As a spouse your husbands body is your property to do with as you please as soon as the military releases it to the coroner and they release it to you. However some women honor the Parent's by allowing them to have their child's flag presented to them. Especially if it is an inner generational military family. Or another significant person such as a sibling in the service. Or even the oldest son; as in my case. Who held it for me per his stepfather's wishes because I could not. I have seen cases where it was the specific request of the service member that it be presented to a specific party. Sometimes a brother in arms. Or a life long best friend. Some military marriages cross many cultural lines and customs and generally the military trys to be discreet and considerate. As far as military custom's go they are generally custom's when in regards to dependent family members and not regulations that have the forbearance of legal entitilements. If anyone in Chain of Command wants to revoke or ammend a privilege it is, or at least was, at the discreation of the military. It really makes no difference to me if people want to believe the validity of this post; or not. I respect any American's right to their opinion no matter how repulsive and disrespectful I might find it. Soldiers and their families do not generally serve to be respected by their country but because they respect their country. |
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Edited by
Rapunzel
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Sun 12/28/08 09:18 PM
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Why did I fight? Where was my purpose? What was my defense of? I thought about it a long time when I returned home with my wounds. I volunteered. I was not forced into service. I was honored to serve and took pride in my accomplishments and successes to excel myself as never I will again. I fought to save others facing tyrrany and oppression. I fought to save innocents caught up in the middle of conflict no result of their own. I fought to save americans caught in conflict. I fought for fellow soldiers whom deserved my respect and sacrifice. I fought so that we could protect our freedoms and that in hope others would take their freedoms seriously and celebrate those freedoms that are not celebrated so easily in distant lands. I fought for the love and respect of my fellow man and woman in hopes that they would prosper by choice and have beautiful long lives full of blessings, happiness, and contentment. I fought selflessly so others would not have to. That we may all someday live in peace. I fought for peace.  Wow   Long haired Biker <<< Kyle >>>  That is soo Awesome & beautiful thank you My Brother  soooo soooo much for everything you are & everything you have done & all that you currently do |
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http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/wakeup.asp
As previously mentioned, the story in the original post is true. I know some people do not like to have chain emails forwarded to them, and I have even heard that many contain hidden viruses. However, I think this could have been handled better. If a particular story is false, just post a link to a site that says the story is false, then ask that the poster does not post additional chain emails. If the story is true, just ignore the thread, if you don't want to see threads about chain emails. Personally I think it is ironic that both the original story, and much that has been said in this thread has been a case of people being upset about something when they don't know the whole story. |
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http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/wakeup.asp As previously mentioned, the story in the original post is true. I know some people do not like to have chain emails forwarded to them, and I have even heard that many contain hidden viruses. However, I think this could have been handled better. If a particular story is false, just post a link to a site that says the story is false, then ask that the poster does not post additional chain emails. If the story is true, just ignore the thread, if you don't want to see threads about chain emails. Personally I think it is ironic that both the original story, and much that has been said in this thread has been a case of people being upset about something when they don't know the whole story. The problem is with people being complete arseholes. |
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Why did I fight? Where was my purpose? What was my defense of? I thought about it a long time when I returned home with my wounds. I volunteered. I was not forced into service. I was honored to serve and took pride in my accomplishments and successes to excel myself as never I will again. I fought to save others facing tyrrany and oppression. I fought to save innocents caught up in the middle of conflict no result of their own. I fought to save americans caught in conflict. I fought for fellow soldiers whom deserved my respect and sacrifice. I fought so that we could protect our freedoms and that in hope others would take their freedoms seriously and celebrate those freedoms that are not celebrated so easily in distant lands. I fought for the love and respect of my fellow man and woman in hopes that they would prosper by choice and have beautiful long lives full of blessings, happiness, and contentment. I fought selflessly so others would not have to. That we may all someday live in peace. I fought for peace. Thank you longhairbiker and every other man or woman who have served and fought for peace and our freedom. I am so thankful. God bless you all. |
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I say DAMN STRAIGHT for the AF Pilot! I used to work at Torrance Airport in LA CA. During WWII Torrance Air Port was the airstrip for a factory that made P-38 lightnings. After WWII it became a municipal air strip. As time passed a city literally crept around the place. Now after the fact of moving near and air port it is always some elderly retiree whining about how noisy the air planes are. I used to live under the flight lanes of LAX!!! Jumbo jets every ten minuets or so? It is not the same as some prop swinging twin engine. One makes noise and the other makes thunder.
Some people just have to share their misery in life! Misery does not like to be alone either... |
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Kyle- Beautiful words! You always have a way of wording things in a wonderful manor!
Pacific- You said it bang on! |
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Hmm....well I am brand new here, but I saw this and wanted to say something. I was never in the military but I appreciate all who do. That being said, is it really right to come in here and fight over opinions?
And all this cussing at each other is ridiculous. I thought this was a dating site, and perhaps I came to the wrong place. |
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But sometimes I wonder if it was worth it. When you see people who control their own destiny but kill their own kind over a pair of shoes. Gangbangers and crime. Drug addiction. A ridiculous amount of pregnancies out of marriage and wedlock. Child rapists. Bad attitudes. Road rage. People generally being mean to one another. The selfishness. The blame games. The lack of responsibility for ones actions. I fought so people could celebrate "Free will". And I still say everyone should celebrate their freedoms. Its not the freedoms but the choices that are being made that don't have better judgement in mind. This "Me Me Me" society and the "I'm deserving" culture it breeds is not where I'm going. I fought so I could celebrate my freedom to love and share selflessly here at home to the best of my ability. Enjoy and love life. Because it is short.
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I see what you are saying Kyle! People today are pucked up! So many could care less about their fellow citizens. It's so rare, or it seems, to see people helping people out of the kindness of their hearts.
I get goosebumps when I see or hear of someone doing something out of kindness. I don't think it should shock me when I see it, but it does. I know myself, I am guilty of doing the same as others, and I'm not proud of it. We really need to wake up and see that what we are doing to ourselves is going to destroy us! |
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couple of things to clear up. i live in phoenix and no one complains about Luke because we know not to. there is no mall near luke. people here complain about palo verde instead. the nuclear plant is being surrounded by manufactured homes and people buy there thinking they can move the plant. not only did the plant but the government themselves told these people "duh. you moved near a nuclear plant" but yeah.. i read the arizona republic and east/west valley tribune. i've never heard of anyone complaining about luke air force base.  hmmm.. ..well, would you agree with me that  although you have not " heard " of any one  complaining about the Air Base ,  that doesn't mean that it has not or does not happen ? I have lived in my area as a full grown adult for over 35 years , more than your entire 27 years by 8 years or so and I cannot say that i actually know all that goes on maybe this story is not accurate but chances are good that it is i received it from a good friend She is a former Army Drill Sergeant & Combat Medic and there obviously must be some sort of mall near or within the flight pattern of those jets actually no. i can't. lol our local news system would have never let something like that pass especially our liberal paper the new times. but then again i dont expect to know everything. sure cute story. but i don't think its true. the value isnt reduced from that... i just appreciate fact. and your age and my age have nothing to do with it. it saddens me when people who are older than me automatically assume that i know less or even nothing at all compared to their vast amounts of knowledge. i try to be an open mind to those younger to me because i never know what i'll learn. :) have a great day! |
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Idealisms of choice. Liberal use of free will. Brought to you by your freedom. Please use them wisely.
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