So which one was first? Upside down cross or upside down flags? And who was the one establishing that anything upside down has to be distress signal? Are there any other countries in the world that flying their flag upside down would mean to be a distress signal? Try it with the British flag, for example.

I'm sure that flags existed before Christianity or England existed, along with the concept to flying it upside down in times of distress or to warrant attention ..and it's just logical that this is why Simeon Peter opt to do it ...

but there is no mistaking today that the upside down cross represent Satan and his legion

<snobbery> The British flag? Like the one I have flying proudly in my office (the correct way up of course). We do have a name for it... </snobbery>

That Krisma is a direct mistransaltion.

The actual name for satan Is Helel. Just as all the other Angels name end in El. It is speaking of the spirit world. A world more powerful than ours.

Even the creators of Smallville who are Jewish used this anology when Clarks family is from the "House of El" The House of Strength unknown..

Shalom..Miles

Mistranslation? I took it from the bible. How is it mistranslated?

It is not in the Hebrew scriptures.

Somewhere after Yahshua it was delibertely changed. You look up or I will show you here. They covered up the real name. Most likely that Holy King James bable..

This leading you away from what these names throughout the Bible means. Hebrew names all have deep meaning.

OT:1968

OT:1966 heylel —

Lucifer = "light-bearer"


1) the shining one, the morningstar, Lucifer; used of the king of Babylon and Satan (figuratively)
2) Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament: `Helel,' describing the king of Babylon


(from The Online Bible Thayer's Greek Lexicon and Brown Driver & Briggs Hebrew Lexicon, Copyright © 1993, Woodside Bible Fellowship, Ontario, Canada. Licensed from the Institute for Creation Research.)

It is not hard to see 100 bible scholars did this delibertly.

It is the same with Yahweh and Yahshua.. These names if used and understood makes the bible say something comepletly foriegn to what is taught today and come down through generations. Blessings..Miles

I never claimed it was. It is in the KJV of the bible.

I know Krisma..

What I am saying is the Scriptures in many places have been changed on purpose to support a certain agenda.

The scholars and many pastors know this. But they are not going to come out and say such a thing.

1 they would be attacked. Those who say the 1611 bable is the True scriptures would be raising Hell. Instead of seeing they have been lied to.. They would IMO cling to tradition and try to discredit anyone with any influence in the religious realm.

They are not going to rock the boat.

They may loose thier pay check and thier fancy houses and cars.

people are telling it the way it is but well like what I believe they attack small groups..

just what are they afraid of? Shalom...Miles

Like my Mentor about 10 years ago had pastors of large organizations who wrote books to refute using the name of Yahweh and Yahshua.

To them it did not matter if it was true.

They were afraid people in thier large congregations/organizations might question the names.

At the time we may of had 5 or 6 hundred members.

What is a group of 10's of thousands going after 1 minister for?

Blessings...Miles

Well its clearly not a mistranslation as it was taken from the KJV and I never claimed otherwise.

names transliterate not translate.

Whatever name you are born with if refering to you in another laguage that language does whatever it has to for your name to still sound like "Krisma" soundings of names never change.

Words might but not names.

Anyone who has heard a translator for Billy Graham on TV knows that they may not understand anything the translator says but JC.. because the sound is the same.

People on here tell me all the time JC and Yahshua is the same name it does not matter what name you use.

They say do you really think our creator is that picky. It is what is in your heart.

tell them to call thier savior Allah or Budda.

Oh no we can not do that.

yet they can not see why I refuse the name JC....Shalom...Miles

Well that is what it says in the KJV so however you want to interpret it from that text is your business, yet is not misquoted.

If someone writes a book about your life.

Then it is translated into Russian..

And when it comes to every place in the English version that says Krisma. That they re right Sarah instead.

Would you consider that a delibert mistranlation into the Russian Language or would you say it is correct that is my name? Blessings..Miles

Krisma I am not attacking you or anything close. I was just saying how Lucifer is a mistranslation of his Hebrew name

Thats fine but I wasnt quoting anything even remotely Hebrew.

yea Krisma I know.

But the problem that is out thier with the Holy Scriptures is that Scribes delibertly changed things in the bible.

This makes for confusion. This alot of the time is why people just throw up thier arms and say"that makes absolutely no sense to me" very likely they are right. But it is because the true words were rewritten changing the true meaning.

So this is one of the main reasons that preachers prefer thier congregations just to know some key words/slogans and leave the rest to them.

they are the ones who can interpret the bible

they are the ones who has been to school..

Thus they are the authority on the Scriptures.

Yahshua taught aginst this.

this is exactly the same thing the pharasees did.

making themselves above the people..Special. they know.

When the truth of the matter is Yahshua and the Apostles quoted from jeremiah which is also 2 times in Hebrews 9-12 I believe.

That the spirit will teach man.. man will not teach man.

Because it says My sheep hear my voice another they will not follow.

This is speaking of the shepards on earth who are teaching/preaching Yahshua.

The true learning comes from the Holy Spirit. Ones like what I am saying constantly will hear the word and recongonize it and follow it.

I have planted a seed. Hopefully it will grow.

This is another reason why the tares are planted among the wheat. For those who understand.

The Spirit of Yahweh is his word. John 1:1.

Yahshua is that word from the beginning and his sheep are speaking it with new tongues of Fire as they did on the day of pentecost in Acts 2.

Blessings of Shalom...Miles

Okay Miles but I only posted it as a point of interest that Jesus and Lucifer were "described" in the same manner. It would only apply to Christians because it was taken from the KJV which you dont look at so dont worry. Its inapplicable to you.

ok Case Dismissed

It clearly indicates that Jesus is the devil Just kidding.

You are right he is not, He is the son of...Miles