Topic: Democracy does not equal freedom
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Sat 12/13/08 05:52 PM
Traditionally, people think that democracy gives the ordinary man and woman say over how their country is run. Truthfully though, in America, democracy just means that our leaders are required to provide justification for their actions. We hope that our elected officials are representative, but when you really look at special interests and all of that...not so much.

Any thoughts

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Sat 12/13/08 05:53 PM
Freedom

is just another word for nothing left to lose

Winx's photo
Sat 12/13/08 05:54 PM

Freedom

is just another word for nothing left to lose


Nothin' don't mean nothin' hon' if it ain't free.

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Sat 12/13/08 06:08 PM


Freedom

is just another word for nothing left to lose


Nothin' don't mean nothin' hon' if it ain't free.



Do explain

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Sat 12/13/08 06:11 PM

Traditionally, people think that democracy gives the ordinary man and woman say over how their country is run. Truthfully though, in America, democracy just means that our leaders are required to provide justification for their actions. We hope that our elected officials are representative, but when you really look at special interests and all of that...not so much.

Any thoughts


No. Democracy doesn't even appear in the Constitution of USA. It's the Republic of USA. Based on laws you must obey.

some people mix up anarchy with democracy. Anarchy is lawlessness, stateless "all power to the people" cluster.fck.


watch this, it has it all:

/Overview of America/
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6732659166933078950&ei=2mpESenhOIWiqgK0zcHtDA&q=Overview+of+america&emb=1

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Sat 12/13/08 06:16 PM


Traditionally, people think that democracy gives the ordinary man and woman say over how their country is run. Truthfully though, in America, democracy just means that our leaders are required to provide justification for their actions. We hope that our elected officials are representative, but when you really look at special interests and all of that...not so much.

Any thoughts


No. Democracy doesn't even appear in the Constitution of USA. It's the Republic of USA. Based on laws you must obey.

some people mix up anarchy with democracy. Anarchy is lawlessness, stateless "all power to the people" cluster.fck.


watch this, it has it all:

/Overview of America/
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6732659166933078950&ei=2mpESenhOIWiqgK0zcHtDA&q=Overview+of+america&emb=1



Thanks to everyone for the input thus far.

Winx's photo
Sat 12/13/08 06:17 PM



Freedom

is just another word for nothing left to lose


Nothin' don't mean nothin' hon' if it ain't free.



Do explain


He was using words from the song "Me and Bobby McGee" by Janis Joplin. I gave the next sentence to the song.

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Sat 12/13/08 06:19 PM




Freedom

is just another word for nothing left to lose


Nothin' don't mean nothin' hon' if it ain't free.



Do explain


He was using words from the song "Me and Bobby McGee" by Janis Joplin. I gave the next sentence to the song.


I guess that dates me a little bit. I will check out the song. Thanks for the input

Lynann's photo
Sat 12/13/08 06:41 PM
Dammit all to hell...

The cat stepped on the keys and erased my post.

I will convey your thanks to the cat soon.

The founders recognized the dangers of a pure democracy.

One more time...the masses are asses.

What we have is a representative democracy.

If you want change it starts with you. Trouble is I guess that takes more work than most people are willing to do.

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Sat 12/13/08 06:48 PM
:smile: We have NO rights. :smile: We just think we do.:smile: The goverment owns you like you own a dog.:smile:

Winx's photo
Sat 12/13/08 07:19 PM





Freedom

is just another word for nothing left to lose


Nothin' don't mean nothin' hon' if it ain't free.



Do explain


He was using words from the song "Me and Bobby McGee" by Janis Joplin. I gave the next sentence to the song.


I guess that dates me a little bit. I will check out the song. Thanks for the input


It's a great song!

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Sat 12/13/08 09:56 PM
I am not worried about our Democracy or Representative Democracy.

I would be worried about the American Corporations driven by greed and capitalism... unbound and unRegulated.

The Last 8 years has been crazy, not because of Bush... but the gov't movement towards representing the Corporation First and the People Second. We, the People don't have a voice anymore... or call it ACCESS to our gov't.

Politicals (both sides) are more for CAMPaign Dollars than for our VOTES. A Rich person or Rich Corporation would have the ear of both GOP and Dem Politicians. AT the same time, We the People are being brainwashed and propagandize to support the Corporations' Agenda.

Where is the Logic???
Why would a Middle class to Poor Americans support less tax for the Rich or over $250,000/yr.

Why are we bailing out corporations and stiffing the workers...


I just know when words like: Communists, Socialists, Terrorists, Loyalty, Patriotic, Freedom, God, Jesus, Abortion, Gay rights are used... it is used to stop us from thinking beyond the issue and asking "Why".

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Sun 12/14/08 06:48 AM




I just know when words like: Communists, Socialists, Terrorists, Loyalty, Patriotic, Freedom, God, Jesus, Abortion, Gay rights are used... it is used to stop us from thinking beyond the issue and asking "Why".


Beautifully said.

Remember, no matter what word you use to describe the freedoms we still have left, you should be sure that no form of Government alone is protective against despotism. It is these Governments that, in the end, attack those freedoms, for those in the Government, those who control it, will be the ones who reap the fruits of despotism.