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Topic: Wrestling fake or real?
Dewayne123456's photo
Thu 12/11/08 07:37 AM
I think it is just what they say it is enteriament.

lavos28's photo
Thu 12/11/08 07:42 AM
ecw is real i went to an event and i got sabus blood all over me

younwha's photo
Thu 12/11/08 07:58 AM
You can't fake falling off a 30 foot steal cage.. granted you can soften the fall, but not much. However you sure can fake a punch to the face... and frankly you can fake it a lot better than professional wrestlers do it lol

lavos28's photo
Thu 12/11/08 08:01 AM
yeah and the story lines are definatly fake

Jtree43's photo
Thu 12/11/08 08:38 AM
ECW, WWF, and the like are all fake to an extent, they're mostly up there to flex their muscles and put on a show. I wrestled from seventh grade through college, that was real. There is a huge difference

JustAGuy2112's photo
Thu 12/11/08 09:43 AM
Wanna know just how much is " real " and how much is actually faked?

Read Mick Foley's ( aka Mankind, Cactus Jack ) book Have a Nice Day.

It's a very good read and a very detailed insider's look at how the Sports Entertainment business works.

Riding_Dubz's photo
Thu 12/11/08 09:49 AM
ask Owen Hart how fake it is,

no photo
Thu 12/11/08 09:54 AM
Edited by quiet_2008 on Thu 12/11/08 09:54 AM
it's pretty well choreographed. if it wasn't people would really get hurt. if you really did some of the things they do, people would not be getting up

my uncle in Ft Worth was friends with Fritz Von Eric (yeah, wayyyyyy back) and he told me how Fritz would slice his eyebrow with a razor and then smear vaseline on it to keep it from bleeding. And then during the match they would rub off the vaseline

Blaze1978's photo
Thu 12/11/08 07:20 PM
Here's the scoop:

Is wrestling fake? The truth of the matter is that "fake" is probably the most unfair and unjustifiable term that you can attach to the industry. Wrestling is a sport full of constant demands and sacrifices. If you want to wrestle, prepare yourself for a lifetime of pain and suffering, knowing full well that accumulated injuries will lead to an agonizing retirement, very agonizing to some of the more high-risk. For this reason, many wrestlers become addicted to drugs as a means of necessity (steroids, to maintain the competitive physique), or as a means of escape (painkillers, to cope with the daily pain). The fact is that exotic injuries are more common in wrestling than probably any other sport, including football, boxing, etc. And what happens when a football player suffers a concussion? He takes time off, maybe he retires. When a wrestler suffers a concussion, more often than not he's in that ring wrestling the next night. There was a hockey player awhile back who retired after something like 2 concussions (someone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on the number). But there are wrestlers out there who have literally suffered a dozen concussions. Ask Chris Benoit's parents whether wrestling is fake; Benoit suffered a string of concussions throughout his career and developed advanced dementia at the time of his suicide at 41. Doctors said his brain was comparable to that of a 75 year old man with Alzeimer's. Ask Bret Hart, who was kicked in the head by Goldberg at Starrcade '99, suffered a severe concussion, retired prematurely because of the concussion, and later suffered a stroke. Ask Mick Foley, who was thrown off the top of a 15-foot high steel cage and through an announce table, and later went through the top of the cage itself. He suffered a severe concussion, separated shoulder, dislodged teeth, and injuries to his liver and kidneys.

MirrorMirror's photo
Thu 12/11/08 07:38 PM
bigsmile Its real:banana:

Blaze1978's photo
Thu 12/11/08 08:51 PM
To those disbelievers who still attach the term fake to wrestling, I will chronicle a few of the more horrific stories of the sport. Notice how I use the term "sport." As wrestling is a pastime that requires both good conditioning and physical activity, it does indeed qualify as a sport.

Mick Foley: Foley will be most remembered for his jarring "Hell in a Cell" match with The Undertaker at King of the Ring 98. In that match he climbed to the top of the 15-foot high steel cage and was thrown off it by Taker within 90 seconds. Foley sailed through the air, crashing awkwardly through the Spanish announce table. He suffered a dislocated shoulder and injured kidney in the fall.

Although paramedics were concerned and tried to stretcher him away, Foley got up and fought on. He scaled the cage (doing so with a dislocated arm must have been no small feat), and was promptly chokeslammed through the top of the cage, landing on the mat roughly 12 feet below. This fall was far worse. Foley suffered a concussion, further bruised his kidney and broke a couple ribs. He suffered the added indignity of having a steel chair join him in the fall. The chair slammed into his face upon the landing, dislocating his jaw and dislodging a few teeth, one of which was forced through his upper lip and into his nostril. Despite taking such punishment, Foley endured twice getting slammed onto thumbtacks before the match was over.

Long-time fans may also remember how Foley severed 2/3 of his ear. Vader tangled his head in the ropes during a 1994 bout in Germany. The ropes were so tight, Foley feared he would strangle to death, and in his efforts to free himself sheared his own ear off.

Bret Hart: Hart's most severe injury occurred at Starrcade '99 opposite Bill Goldberg, a ruggedly big guy known for his stiff sidekick, among other things. Goldberg nearly decapitated Hart with the kick. Although Hart thought he was ok after the match, he had actually suffered a very severe concussion. Hart later claimed that there was a rupture behind his ear you could fit a quarter in, and still can't remember what he did during Christmas '99. Gamely, Hart continued to wrestle for several more weeks, and suffered several follow up concussions. In January 2000, he announced he was taking time off. He never wrestled another match. In 2003, Hart suffered a stroke while riding his bike. For around 6 months, he was paralyzed on the left side of his body.

Dynamite Kid: Tom Billington was a undersized wrestling bully with a sadistic streak a mile long and a foul temperment. He is most famous internationally for his series of incredible matches with Tiger Mask in Japan during the early-80s. These demanding matches were likely most to blame for his ultimate fate. Another culprit was steroid use. In the late-70s, Dynamite started taking the drug, and ballooned from a skinny 170-pound kid to a raging 245-pound maniac in the space of 4 or 5 years. The steroids caused his heart to enlarge until it pressed against his ribs. They also damaged his bones. During the conservative 1980s, few were able to keep up with his rugged and reckless style. It was while wrestling in the WWF in 1986 that this started to catch up with him. Dynamite completely blew out his back during a routine move and was shelved for about 4 months. By now, he was in constant agony and heavily dependant on a wide range of drugs, including painkillers. Although he somehow worked himself back into shape in little time (Hart writes about how he couldn't walk only 2 weeks before he appeared at WrestleMania III) his dangerous style and drug addiction took its toll. In 1991, Dynamite's doctor told him he had developed a serious heart condition, and that it was retirement or ring death. Dynamite retired. Within a few more years, the man was wheelchair bound, still in his 40s.

Chris Benoit: Benoit was heavily influenced by Dynamite. Some might describe him as a Dynamite clone. Said to be mild-mannered in his youth, Benoit was an angry monster by his death. For much of his career, Benoit wrestled in Japan, where the standards are higher and the injuries usually more graphic. We didn't know this at the time, but Benoit suffered a string of head injuries, many of which were likely incurred in Japan. He also fractured a disc which fragmented into his spinal collumn during his days with WWE. It took Benoit a full year to recuperate, but he hardly toned down his high risk style.

In the summer of 2006, Benoit told WWE he was missing a series of dates to deal with a vague "family emergency." WWE respected Benoit enough to ask no questions, and granted his request. Days later, friends became worried when Benoit started sending them disturbing text messages. The police investigated and found the bodies of his wife and young son. His wife was bound and gagged. Both were strangled to death, and his wife had been hit in the head several times with a blunt object. Oddly, Benoit placed a bible next to the body of each before hanging himself in his weight room. In light of the autopsy, which revealed Benoit had suffered from advanced dementia, his behavior was likely a result of untreated head injuries rather than any drug, as reported on by many media.

Steve Austin: You all know who he is. During a match with Owen Hart in 97, Austin suffered spinal shock syndrome when he was piledriven in an awkward manner. It would have been comical for a man's spinal cord to be literally compressed in a cartoon; this was real life. Austin was paralyzed for about 30 seconds before regaining the ability to move. Surgery was later performed, but Austin suffered from pain caused by excess bone chips pressing on his spinal cord for the remainder of his career.

A few one shots: Sid Vicous split his fibula while jumping from the top rope in WCW in 2001. His leg wilted like a wet noodle (easily the grossest injury I've ever seen, in wrestling or otherwise) and had to be screwed back together... Jushin Liger suffered a similar injury in Japan, when he went for a routine baseball slide under The Great Muta's legs; Liger's body went in one direction while his foot stayed planted on the mat. His ankle was completely shattered, and he was out of the ring for 14 months... Sabu obliterated two vertebrae in his neck when the aforementioned Benoit threw him in the air. Like a human slinkie, Sabu landed directly on his head. Despite the severity of the injury, Sabu was back in the ring within 2 weeks... Jake Roberts was smashed over the head by a guitar weilding Honky Tonk Man, fracturing several vertebrae... Kurt Angle suffered a medly of spinal injuries to his neck throughout his career. As the shape of his neck worsened, many of the injuries occurred during routine bumps. WWE finally let him go in 2006 because he refused to take time off to properly heal. Angle headed straight to TNA without missing a beat, and continues to wrestle injured most of the time... Vader suffered a gruesome eye injury during a match against Stan Hansen in Japan around 1990. Hansen, who weighed 320 pounds, clubbed him in the head near the eye at one point, and the force was sufficient to partially dislodge the eyeball. It was hard to watch Vader as he finished the match, his eye protruding through the skin and twisted at an odd angle. He later underwent surgery to repair a detached retina... Mazakazu Fukuda and Plum Mariko are two wrestlers who have died in the ring during the past 12 years of massive cerebral hemmorages inflicted by their opponents.

Blaze1978's photo
Thu 12/11/08 09:52 PM
Edited by Blaze1978 on Thu 12/11/08 09:55 PM

You can't fake falling off a 30 foot steal cage.. granted you can soften the fall, but not much. However you sure can fake a punch to the face... and frankly you can fake it a lot better than professional wrestlers do it lol


Then you've never been punched in the face by Big Van Vader, lol.

It depends on the wrestler...some guys have punches that look like they couldn't break a stick of butter...others have punches that will leave a crater in your skull.

FearandLoathing's photo
Thu 12/11/08 10:57 PM
Real to an extent, the matches are theoretically "planned" in the outcome. As has been said Mick Foley can vouch for that, what was it, 14 concussions? Roughly around there if not more, Steve Austin pretty much lost his career over the spinal injury though continued for a few years before retiring. Hogan as well did some damage that is not able to be repaired (suppose when you lift Andre the Giant, you don't get to do it again?).

Filmfreek's photo
Thu 12/11/08 11:02 PM
It's about as real as The Jerry Springer Show.

Blaze1978's photo
Fri 12/12/08 08:02 PM
To ask if it's real or fake is asking the wrong question. There are a lot of aspects of wrestling that are very real, notably the injuries, the politics, the competitive aspect of getting to the top and remaining there for any length of time.

It's predetermined. We all know that. We may be wrestling fans, but that doesn't mean we are stupid. However, I missed the part where "predetermined" is synonymous with "fake," perhaps someone could explain to me?

To those that attach fake to the wrestling industry, ask yourself, could you take a drop of five or ten feet onto a hard wrestling mat repeatedly without getting the wind knocked out of you? For the majority of you, the answer would be no. Most of you naysayers who jawjack wrestling would be pissing blood if you ran the ropes one time.

So the real question to ask is this. Are the matches scriped works, or are they shoots? As most rational humans know the answer to the question, I propose that the putting forth of the real/fake question is just meant to rankle some wrestling fans and start an arguement.

no photo
Fri 12/12/08 08:03 PM
not so much fake as choreographed

tiggeray's photo
Fri 12/12/08 11:58 PM
and The millions they make

toastedoranges's photo
Sat 12/13/08 01:48 AM
fake

SharpShooter10's photo
Sat 12/13/08 05:44 AM
Edited by SharpShooter10 on Sat 12/13/08 05:52 AM

I think it is just what they say it is enteriament.
I worked in the business in Louisiana, Texas, Mississippi and Tennessee, its show business entertainment, They know who is gonna win and who is not, it''s acting, and good choreography. You do get bumps and bruises but it is all self inflicted more or less. The ref calls spots when it gets quiet, the babies and heels, good guys and bad guys, are talking and calling spots while being locked up. I was an referee and wrestled if needed. The good guy only looks as good as the one that is losing lets him look.
Those arm bars and headlocks, you would be shocked at how "light" some of them worked, the better ones like some contact so it doesn't look to fake, when you get hit, you "sell" it, throw some spit out make it look real, the blood, tape on the wrist or fingers contain a specially made small piece of razor to cut yourself with, most do it themselves rather than let someone else do it, take 7-10 asprin before and you bleed like a stuck pig, blood matches are rare nowdays cause of aids, but the ones that know each other and smaller circuits still have them. women wrestlers draw good money, midgets use to but now with all the political correct bullchit, that has slowed a lot.
Bottom line

It's fake, not real, there is opportunity to really get hurt, especially someone who isn't trained well.
and accidents occaisionally happen, the better the wrestler the better it looks. As for who I worked with, The Von Erichs, Rock n Roll Express, Junk Yard Dog, and lots of others, lots are dead now, Mid South, All Star and Global Wrestling are some of the places i did shows for.
Cactus Jack
Beach Bully Alex Portue
Crybaby Francis Buxton
Scandar Achbar
Rebel Ryder
Boogie Man 1 and 2
Captain USA

on and on and on, met lots of them, The Ebony Experience went on the be Harlem Heat with Vince, and no, I don't know vince or Hulk Hoganlaugh

SharpShooter10's photo
Sat 12/13/08 05:55 AM


You can't fake falling off a 30 foot steal cage.. granted you can soften the fall, but not much. However you sure can fake a punch to the face... and frankly you can fake it a lot better than professional wrestlers do it lol


Then you've never been punched in the face by Big Van Vader, lol.

It depends on the wrestler...some guys have punches that look like they couldn't break a stick of butter...others have punches that will leave a crater in your skull.
They know how to "sell" it thats all, injuries happen but it is accidents and not done, very very rarely, mostly a while back, some promoters would have someone"shoot" on somebody, hit them for real, but rare, it is all show business and if done well, looks convincing

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