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Why dwell on what if's?Seek the truth Smiles you will get more answers.
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SkyHook5652
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If Jesus had not been nailed to a cross, what would be the road to salvation today for Christians? I think this goes directly to the heart of the OP. How could there be a Christianity without a Christ? The whole basis for the new testament would not exist. So the religion could not "die out" because it could never have existed in the first place. My guess at the final result would be, at most, a slightly modified Judaism. |
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If Jesus had not been nailed to a cross, what would be the road to salvation today for Christians? I think this goes directly to the heart of the OP. How could there be a Christianity without a Christ? The whole basis for the new testament would not exist. So the religion could not "die out" because it could never have existed in the first place. My guess at the final result would be, at most, a slightly modified Judaism. Thanks! I was afraid that question would just go unnoticed due to all of the lengthy exegesis that was immediately poured all over it. I would have been just fine with more Jews honestly.  |
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the history of every account of when Jesus was in its writing, would the book and religion still exist today, or would Christianity have died out like Ancient Egyptians, Greek, or Norse Mythologies? JESUS IS KNOWN AS I AM.... Meaning.... Jesus Always WAS.....Right From the Very Foundations of the World. JESUS Always WAS.... JESUS ALWAYS IS.... JESUS ALWAYS WILL BE.... and therefore, a Book in existence ... or not in existence ... doesn't Prevent JESUS From FOREVER BEING WHO HE IS.   |
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The son of a Roman centurion it would appear.
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those religions have far from died out. they are not in the volume of the massive hordes that the christians are, but in pockets of people here and there, and are far more quiet, for the christians do consider themselves a fighting, warring army for the rightiousness of their god, and have killed even today when they can get away with it. i have been threatened myself in new orleans by evangelists, merely on appearance alone...you know, the guys toting those crosses...i was minding my own business, and they surrounded me and called me the devils work. Darkowl.... You were confronted by RELIGIOUS FOLK, not CHRISTIAN FOLK.
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Smiless said:
the history of every account of when Jesus was in its writing, would the book and religion still exist today, or would Christianity have died out like Ancient Egyptians, Greek, or Norse Mythologies? Smiless just to give you a clearer picture on this. To date, there are approximately a little over 700,000 people in the US today who identify themselves as being Wiccan. That is Wicca alone and those that are not afraid to admit it on a questionnaire. So that estimate is probably quite conservative. That places Wicca as the 5th largest organized religion in the US today. |
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Sorry....
Catholics did not throw out any of the Divinely Inpired Word of God. Yes...There were books written back then, as were many books written back then... that were not included in the Holy Bible, simpy because they were NOT CONSIDERED the Holy Divinely Inspired Word of God!!! But Catholics did not excluded any books that WERE considerd the Holy Books of the Bible. The Divinely Inspired Word of God ( the Holy Bible), still is with Us today.... nothing added or taken away. The Bible says that if any should add or take away from that book..... well..... I'll let you go th the Bible and read it yourself ..... (Go to end of the Book of Revelations and read that scripture.) God is Big Enough to Watch Over His Word... and to Preserve and Keep His Word.... Forever. God IS the WORD. That Word of God is not just Logos...or The Written Word...... but the WORD of God is also RHEMA...meaning LIFE . There is LIFE in the WORD.
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"I have given you every herb ... and every tree ... for meat."
Genesis 1 No question there. Divinely inspired. |
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Why dwell on what if's?Seek the truth Smiles you will get more answers. 
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You say Christianity is a mythology, but for many people around the world it is a religion of faith. I speak from the perspective of someone who has gone to college and studied both cultural and physical anthropology as well as archeology. In reference to my academic background, Christianity is referred to as the "Christian Creation Mythology'. It is no more or less prestigious and occupies no greater place in our studies as any other creation mythologies found the world over today. To argue this away from those who truly believe in this is wasted effort. You can go blue trying to convince them otherwise. I speak my truth and I explain and demonstrate and describe what I perceive to be factual or credible evidence. What people choose to do with it from there is between them and their faith. I have just as much right to be here as you, or Abra or any of the Christians. It is the same as people who believe in Norse Mythology, which has as you know a small following. Very small! Yet for those who believe in this belief system they call it a religion and put their faith into it. The term mythology would be wrong in their heads. That is not necessarily true as explained. One thing I learned from Buddha is to never criticize someones faith. I try very hard to respect everyones faith even if I don't agree with it, because I know it is dear to them. This may sound irrational to you, but I really have more peace of mind when doing this. I have NEVER once criticized a person’s faith on this forum. Not ever. What I have criticized is organized religion. In the US today, the dominant organized religion is Christianity. If I were to reside in the Middle East, what makes you think I would not be serving the same purpose in speaking out publicly against Islam? The only difference is I would probably be dead or imprisoned by now. I can’t be a little people pleaser like you. Can you see me wearing that hat and keep a straight face?  I have to speak my mind. I have to be true to myself Smiless. It’s just the kind of girl I am. I do not disagree with you on the fact that Christianity is mythology, I wanted to indicate that for many they refuse to see it as such. What your education contains may not be seen as true for someone elses education. What they see as fact maybe utterly ridiculous for them as for you when they give a reply. Concerning the truth is only the truth for those who choose to believe it regardless of your educational background. This leads to a mute discussion for those who have faith in a religion. For some it is true that they refuse to see their religion as a mythology. Therefore, no matter how much education you have achieved, you can argue until your face turns blue. No one said to change your attitude or your thinking, but to realize that not everyone will agree with your views. I do not agree with many views, but still can give respect to the person who practices their religion. Afterall, we are people who have the same basic needs regardless if one worships a cabbage in their backyard. I too have University degrees that had landed me great jobs in the past to give me the opportunity to experience history by actually going to the location and observing it and learning from experts in the field. I will however never claim I know it all. I am sure you have a opinion about what I just stated, yet please excuse me if I don't reply to your next replies, to avoid further disagreements on the matter. Good luck on your journey in trying to convince those who use Christianity as a faith method that what they worship is wrong and absurd. |
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those religions have far from died out. they are not in the volume of the massive hordes that the christians are, but in pockets of people here and there, and are far more quiet, for the christians do consider themselves a fighting, warring army for the rightiousness of their god, and have killed even today when they can get away with it. i have been threatened myself in new orleans by evangelists, merely on appearance alone...you know, the guys toting those crosses...i was minding my own business, and they surrounded me and called me the devils work. Krimsa I also fail to see where he mentions as the second person asking to clarify my question. He understood perfectly in my opinion. It simply states that he believes that these mythologies(religions) are still practiced today by a small minority of people. It further explains that he had some bad experiences with Evangelists. I think he understood the question, yet if I do post in the forum again, I will take extra care to make sure you understand it in the future. |
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ancient Egyptian, Roman and Greek mythology lasted for thousands of years. Christianity is considered in the cradle compared to how long those religions were practiced. look at Hindu mythology, older than dirt and yet people still practice it to the letter, the same exact way for thousands of years. Hinduism is older than Judaism. religion will never die. man is in a constant search for a meaning to life. there are lots of questions unanswered and so long as we keep searching we will come up with more unanswered questions.
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If Jesus had not been nailed to a cross, what would be the road to salvation today for Christians? I think this goes directly to the heart of the OP. How could there be a Christianity without a Christ? The whole basis for the new testament would not exist. So the religion could not "die out" because it could never have existed in the first place. My guess at the final result would be, at most, a slightly modified Judaism. I figure Judaism would continue to thrive and have a huger community today. It is a good answer as I too thought that the Jewish's intent was to stop Christianity to grow on followers, but failed in doing so. Very good answer 
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Edited by
Krimsa
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Wed 12/10/08 05:55 AM
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I do not disagree with you on the fact that Christianity is mythology, I wanted to indicate that for many they refuse to see it as such. What your education contains may not be seen as true for someone elses education. What they see as fact maybe utterly ridiculous for them as for you when they give a reply. So? What is your point? I already stated that it is MY truth and I am clearly capable of offering supportive evidence. In fact, I very often use quotes taken directly from the bible itself. I already explained that what any person who reads it chooses to take away from it is clearly between them and their faith. Concerning the truth is only the truth for those who choose to believe it regardless of your educational background. This leads to a mute discussion for those who have faith in a religion. So what do you propose we do about this? Do you wish to censor my knowledge of the topic? Okay, in that case I will ask that we censor your inability to take a stand on any issue. For some it is true that they refuse to see their religion as a mythology. Therefore, no matter how much education you have achieved, you can argue until your face turns blue. Once again, I do not care what they choose to take away from anything I bring to the table. That is a choice that only they are capable of making for themselves. No one said to change your attitude or your thinking, but to realize that not everyone will agree with your views. I do not agree with many views, but still can give respect to the person who practices their religion. Afterall, we are people who have the same basic needs regardless if one worships a cabbage in their backyard. Never once have I been disrespectful of a person’s faith. I have already explained this to the point that I don’t know how else to do it in order that you might understand. Shall I try interpretive dance?? It certainly sounds as if you are attempting to silence me in some respect. I too have University degrees that had landed me great jobs in the past to give me the opportunity to experience history by actually going to the location and observing it and learning from experts in the field. I will however never claim I know it all. I have never claimed once to "know it all". That is your own fear that you are projecting onto me. If you are intimidated by my presence here, you must understand that there is nothing I can do to change that. If you have indeed traveled the world, then I would love to hear that perspective rather than a lot prostration and "people pleasing." I would clearly offer my respect but ONLY when it is actually warranted. I will ask you not to respond also. I have actually requested that you drop the matter several times as it was only instigated by a statement that was made that clearly was contradictory to common knowledge and bothered a couple people on thread. |
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ancient Egyptian, Roman and Greek mythology lasted for thousands of years. Christianity is considered in the cradle compared to how long those religions were practiced. look at Hindu mythology, older than dirt and yet people still practice it to the letter, the same exact way for thousands of years. Hinduism is older than Judaism. religion will never die. man is in a constant search for a meaning to life. there are lots of questions unanswered and so long as we keep searching we will come up with more unanswered questions. That would be number 3 |
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If Jesus had not been nailed to a cross, what would be the road to salvation today for Christians? I think this goes directly to the heart of the OP. How could there be a Christianity without a Christ? The whole basis for the new testament would not exist. So the religion could not "die out" because it could never have existed in the first place. My guess at the final result would be, at most, a slightly modified Judaism. Thanks! I was afraid that question would just go unnoticed due to all of the lengthy exegesis that was immediately poured all over it. I would have been just fine with more Jews honestly. |
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Hello arkdanimal. You know evading a ban by creating a new profile is against the rules of conduct on this forum. Shall I notify Old Sage?
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I believe you can tell everything you need to know about life by the trash they produce. All of this who and what you believe in stuff is garbage waiting to be carried out to the dump, when it is all over, nobody will remember any of us for who we are, only for what they want to remember us for. I remember which house is which by the amount of stink they leave for someone else to deal with! Kind of like most people who have a trememdous amount of time to waste on these online stupid crap things! You people for the most part are living in a dream world. get f______g real!
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ummm... no that would be the protestants. hence, the name of their movement.
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