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Thats awful. Why would you go along with that?
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It is what it is, and Krisma has a tendancy to put the same crap out their to argue with. It is a law, doesn't mean that it happen all the time it is what it is. Hhurt the mother and father and be put to death. An eye for an eye. The old testament was all the laws PERIOD. And what do you think by some miracle if you say it enough and the injustice of all of the old testament that it is going to go away no. Life is not always fair. Live your life as you see fit but be ready to pay the consequences for it. All the answers you seek are in my original answer, but just keep asking and don't read, so par for the course. And again I say to all, unless your heart and ears are open it will never make sense. We have salvation through Grace not works... That is a interesting point you make Deb! If it was a law back then couldn't it be taken out of the Bible today, or is that forbidden. Now concerning the act of violence in the bible?? I am just wondering. Or is that already done with the denominations of other christian belief systems. I mean I am no Lutheran, Jevoh Witness, etc. Just wondering since you are better versed in the Bible then anyone else in here 
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Thats awful. Why would you go along with that?
are you talkin to me?? [looks around] are you talkin to ME!![looks around again] well you must be talking to me - go along with what? |
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Edited by
Krimsa
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No I was speaking to Deb. in reference to her "it is what it is." comment.
I understand that most modern day Christians are not going to beat their children to death because it is in the bible. I mean most wont unless they are crazy and then a person who is not Christian could also be just as capable of child abuse. Its just why the hell is it in there and is Jesus still condoning it in the NT? Who was Jesus exactly? Was he brown rice and granola or kind of a bad ass who had basically come to enforce the Messianic law?
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Thats awful. Why would you go along with that?
The laws are not forgotten and the traditional laws. They just no longer apply....Now it's Christ.....I know the Lord and if the Lord asked me anything....and I mean anything in order for me to show my loyalty to Him. I would do it. See this is what your not getting Krisma.....It's not a matter of me going along with it...IT IS WHAT IT IS...IT WAS WHAT IT WAS. And no matter how much you ***** and claim the injustice to women, children or any of it, plain and simple just doesn't make it go away or not be there. The laws were written by God and for specific reasons. |
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It is what it is, and Krisma has a tendancy to put the same crap out their to argue with. It is a law, doesn't mean that it happen all the time it is what it is. Hhurt the mother and father and be put to death. An eye for an eye. The old testament was all the laws PERIOD. And what do you think by some miracle if you say it enough and the injustice of all of the old testament that it is going to go away no. Life is not always fair. Live your life as you see fit but be ready to pay the consequences for it. All the answers you seek are in my original answer, but just keep asking and don't read, so par for the course. And again I say to all, unless your heart and ears are open it will never make sense. We have salvation through Grace not works... That is a interesting point you make Deb! If it was a law back then couldn't it be taken out of the Bible today, or is that forbidden. Now concerning the act of violence in the bible?? I am just wondering. Or is that already done with the denominations of other christian belief systems. I mean I am no Lutheran, Jevoh Witness, etc. Just wondering since you are better versed in the Bible then anyone else in here
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I never was attempting to make them go away, Deb. Just the opposite. Im dragging it out and shining a flashlight on the ugliness. People need to see it.
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Edited by
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Fri 12/05/08 01:00 PM
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It is what it is, and Krisma has a tendancy to put the same crap out their to argue with. It is a law, doesn't mean that it happen all the time it is what it is. Hhurt the mother and father and be put to death. An eye for an eye. The old testament was all the laws PERIOD. And what do you think by some miracle if you say it enough and the injustice of all of the old testament that it is going to go away no. Life is not always fair. Live your life as you see fit but be ready to pay the consequences for it. All the answers you seek are in my original answer, but just keep asking and don't read, so par for the course. And again I say to all, unless your heart and ears are open it will never make sense. We have salvation through Grace not works... That is a interesting point you make Deb! If it was a law back then couldn't it be taken out of the Bible today, or is that forbidden. Now concerning the act of violence in the bible?? I am just wondering. Or is that already done with the denominations of other christian belief systems. I mean I am no Lutheran, Jevoh Witness, etc. Just wondering since you are better versed in the Bible then anyone else in here
Yes I read that, but I want to know in your words that if some of those laws that are written in the bible don't apply to today's standards can be taken out?? Is that possible or is that forbidden? For example stoning people and all these other acts of violence. Or maybe a better question do the majority of the Christians want certain writings out of the bible at all regardless what it says? |
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Edited by
Jess642
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Fri 12/05/08 01:04 PM
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These threads remind me of soup kitchens....
The impoverished after a time decide that they are ENTITLED to a free lunch...they are the experts on the meal, and are quite indignant if the menu changes, or the cabbage is missing one day.... The sense of ownership and the self importance attached to the proprietous thinking is the same.... and you all want this free lunch... for doing nothing... well, actually, doing something...staying impoverished... and condemning others that point out that fact, or who may want, or are perceived to want, to muscle in on the free lunch or even (thread space). Sadly those that spend their time greedily claiming to know all about anything are so delusional, that the very spirit of the original prophets of all religion is lost... 
And some wonder why the US is on it's knees right now... 
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You are over boiled cabbage quota!!
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Smiles.....we live by the laws just not the old traditions....if that were the case we could not even have salvation. Gentiles were never allowed until the death of Christ now all that seek him and ask Christ into their life are entitled. Not through works but through Grace.
For me....I say take religion out of it. All the denominations. Your relationship with Christ is a personal walk, a personal relationship between yourself and Christ. For me again Church is my fellowship with people who believe also in Christ. They are in a sense my God family. And I am hardly any better versed in the Bible then anyone else. I read it, I study it...I take it apart bit by bit to understand it. It is quite a remarkable piece of literature if you take the time to study and understand it. Especially in light of it being written over 2,000 years ago. The complexity and the teachings always leave me in awe. I don't care if I read it 1 million times I always find something else. To some it is a myth....and that fine. To me it's the how to manual of being a human being. I believe every word from Genesis to Revelation. I also believe every word was inspired of God....not just written by a bunch of "men". |
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I never was attempting to make them go away, Deb. Just the opposite. Im dragging it out and shining a flashlight on the ugliness. People need to see it. do it but don't beat a horse to death with it. You always have the same stuff that you want to fight about. I have answered always every question you have put forth. But because you may not like how I answer you will never be settled. Here this might be an easier way for you to fully understand where I am coming from. Say that God spoke to my heart right now. Say he was even testing me and said Debbie take your youngest to the top of the mountain in front of your house. Build a temple to me and along with that take a new unblemished lamb. Build an alter to me and sacrafice your youngest to the Lord your God. What do you think I would do Krisma? |
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Question your sanity?
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Smiles.....we live by the laws just not the old traditions....if that were the case we could not even have salvation. Gentiles were never allowed until the death of Christ now all that seek him and ask Christ into their life are entitled. Not through works but through Grace. For me....I say take religion out of it. All the denominations. Your relationship with Christ is a personal walk, a personal relationship between yourself and Christ. For me again Church is my fellowship with people who believe also in Christ. They are in a sense my God family. And I am hardly any better versed in the Bible then anyone else. I read it, I study it...I take it apart bit by bit to understand it. It is quite a remarkable piece of literature if you take the time to study and understand it. Especially in light of it being written over 2,000 years ago. The complexity and the teachings always leave me in awe. I don't care if I read it 1 million times I always find something else. To some it is a myth....and that fine. To me it's the how to manual of being a human being. I believe every word from Genesis to Revelation. I also believe every word was inspired of God....not just written by a bunch of "men". I can respect your views, yet I sometimes wonder if one is interested in joining Christianity or having a relationship with Christ that perhaps some of the scriptures that are written in it should be taken out so it doesn't have contradictions. Now imagine a Bible that had peaceful answers to everything concerning the hard questions. For example: God says if you believe in Christ you will go to heaven. If not then you will not be saved. If that would be changed to if you don't believe I still spread my arms and give you a chance instead. If a man or woman or child is to be punished then instead of taking them out on the streets to throw rocks on them give them hard labor to understand why it was wrong. and so forth A total revising of the book to where a newbie can feel comfortable with the teachings that will influence him or her to remain a member of the religion. Just a idea you know. I mean the laws of 2000 years are different then the laws of today. Perhaps adjusting some of them to make it like you say a ultimate "how to live like a human being book"
It is just a idea
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Krisma I don't know why you keep bringing up this stoning issue over and over again.I have only been here a little over three weeks and I have lost count how many times you mention stoning.When was the last time any Christians stoned anyone?Why do you keep bringing up this stoning issue when women living in Afghanistan,Pakistan,Iraq,and Iran are being executed for no crimes other than they wore some make up,their husband died,or they listened to music?This is happening right now not something that happened over 2000 years ago.
Jesus did not approve of stoning anyone.He didn't change Gods rule he said "Let you who have no sin cast the first stone".His point is that everyone has sinned and therefore everyone is guilty and if you are going to stone one person for sin you would have to stone everyone for sin.The new testament not only gave us a new outlook on Gods word,it made Gods word better,less judgmental,and forgiving.We live in modern Christianity.You will not find a single pastor or priest that would say it would be ok to stone someone to death. |
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It is what it is, and Krisma has a tendancy to put the same crap out their to argue with. It is a law, doesn't mean that it happen all the time it is what it is. Hhurt the mother and father and be put to death. An eye for an eye. The old testament was all the laws PERIOD. And what do you think by some miracle if you say it enough and the injustice of all of the old testament that it is going to go away no. Life is not always fair. Live your life as you see fit but be ready to pay the consequences for it. All the answers you seek are in my original answer, but just keep asking and don't read, so par for the course. And again I say to all, unless your heart and ears are open it will never make sense. We have salvation through Grace not works... That is a interesting point you make Deb! If it was a law back then couldn't it be taken out of the Bible today, or is that forbidden. Now concerning the act of violence in the bible?? I am just wondering. Or is that already done with the denominations of other christian belief systems. I mean I am no Lutheran, Jevoh Witness, etc. Just wondering since you are better versed in the Bible then anyone else in here
Yes I read that, but I want to know in your words that if some of those laws that are written in the bible don't apply to today's standards can be taken out?? Is that possible or is that forbidden? For example stoning people and all these other acts of violence. Or maybe a better question do the majority of the Christians want certain writings out of the bible at all regardless what it says? The Laws are the laws and for me as a Christian they are very important. But of course no one would get stoned in my part of the world. Remember smiles in those days that was the law....now we are governed by government and police and human law. So I doubt that anyone will be getting stoned anytime soon....Does it mean that it never ever happens well I would have to say no...Because their may be primitive cultures that live as in the old testament days. Even such as the Amish in an off hand way live the old testament laws. I don't want anything taken away from the Bible ever. It is God's inspired word love and I want to study learn and know it as it is. |
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It is what it is, and Krisma has a tendancy to put the same crap out their to argue with. It is a law, doesn't mean that it happen all the time it is what it is. Hhurt the mother and father and be put to death. An eye for an eye. The old testament was all the laws PERIOD. And what do you think by some miracle if you say it enough and the injustice of all of the old testament that it is going to go away no. Life is not always fair. Live your life as you see fit but be ready to pay the consequences for it. All the answers you seek are in my original answer, but just keep asking and don't read, so par for the course. And again I say to all, unless your heart and ears are open it will never make sense. We have salvation through Grace not works... That is a interesting point you make Deb! If it was a law back then couldn't it be taken out of the Bible today, or is that forbidden. Now concerning the act of violence in the bible?? I am just wondering. Or is that already done with the denominations of other christian belief systems. I mean I am no Lutheran, Jevoh Witness, etc. Just wondering since you are better versed in the Bible then anyone else in here
Yes I read that, but I want to know in your words that if some of those laws that are written in the bible don't apply to today's standards can be taken out?? Is that possible or is that forbidden? For example stoning people and all these other acts of violence. Or maybe a better question do the majority of the Christians want certain writings out of the bible at all regardless what it says? The Laws are the laws and for me as a Christian they are very important. But of course no one would get stoned in my part of the world. Remember smiles in those days that was the law....now we are governed by government and police and human law. So I doubt that anyone will be getting stoned anytime soon....Does it mean that it never ever happens well I would have to say no...Because their may be primitive cultures that live as in the old testament days. Even such as the Amish in an off hand way live the old testament laws. I don't want anything taken away from the Bible ever. It is God's inspired word love and I want to study learn and know it as it is. 
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Edited by
Krimsa
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Fri 12/05/08 01:23 PM
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You always have the same stuff that you want to fight about.
I am better aware of what I have posted than you and I have NEVER brought this topic up before as it relates to Jesus. I keep track of everything I have discussed. I also do not fight. You are upset about this and so internalize it personally and choose to fight with me. To quote you Deb, "it is what it is." I have answered always every question you have put forth.
That is not true. There have been many topics, this one included, where all you do is copy and paste a bunch of non-related crap. If you do that, I will continue to ask others for answers. It is not limited to you nor do I single you out. I think you would murder your own child Deb and that is a horrifying thing to contemplate. 
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These threads remind me of soup kitchens.... The impoverished after a time decide that they are ENTITLED to a free lunch...they are the experts on the meal, and are quite indignant if the menu changes, or the cabbage is missing one day.... The sense of ownership and the self importance attached to the proprietous thinking is the same.... and you all want this free lunch... for doing nothing... well, actually, doing something...staying impoverished... and condemning others that point out that fact, or who may want, or are perceived to want, to muscle in on the free lunch or even (thread space). Sadly those that spend their time greedily claiming to know all about anything are so delusional, that the very spirit of the original prophets of all religion is lost...
And some wonder why the US is on it's knees right now...
the US is on it's knee's right now because of selfishness!! which puts forth the facects of selfishness as greed and self-centeredness. |
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These threads remind me of soup kitchens.... The impoverished after a time decide that they are ENTITLED to a free lunch...they are the experts on the meal, and are quite indignant if the menu changes, or the cabbage is missing one day.... The sense of ownership and the self importance attached to the proprietous thinking is the same.... and you all want this free lunch... for doing nothing... well, actually, doing something...staying impoverished... and condemning others that point out that fact, or who may want, or are perceived to want, to muscle in on the free lunch or even (thread space). Sadly those that spend their time greedily claiming to know all about anything are so delusional, that the very spirit of the original prophets of all religion is lost...
And some wonder why the US is on it's knees right now...
the US is on it's knee's right now because of selfishness!! which puts forth the facects of selfishness as greed and self-centeredness. And...............? I kinda thought that was what I was kinda saying....yeah? Maybe?
 
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