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Topic: WHY DO WE FEEL THE NEED TO HELP EACH OTHER?
martymark's photo
Mon 11/24/08 10:18 AM


wy, that was splendid, Splendidlife. I wish I could reference the appropiate scriptures when I want to. Unfortunatly I have a condition going on that keeps me from being able to remember like I used to. Love ya
me too, mines called "senior moments" laugh
I think mine is more like mad-cow or "crt desease"-can't remember things!

feralcatlady's photo
Mon 11/24/08 10:40 AM
Well now isn't this special.....I help and have always helped others because it is something that is in me, myself and I. It's not because I get anything from it....to the contrary it's because I see a need and I fill it. I have been like this since I was little both with human beings and with the animals of this planet.

When I came to the Lord what that did for me was for me to know that it was a great thing to do for others. This brought me to the ministry in India, the Operation Christmas Child that I just did, and all the other stuff I do for community as well as on an international level....and frankly for me the thanks is the annoying part....if I can be a silent worker bee and no one the wiser that is what truly makes me happy.

And with all I do and whatever happens in my life I always ask What Would Jesus Do....It makes it a no brainer for all I do.

tribo's photo
Mon 11/24/08 10:46 AM

Well now isn't this special.....I help and have always helped others because it is something that is in me, myself and I. It's not because I get anything from it....to the contrary it's because I see a need and I fill it. I have been like this since I was little both with human beings and with the animals of this planet.

When I came to the Lord what that did for me was for me to know that it was a great thing to do for others. This brought me to the ministry in India, the Operation Christmas Child that I just did, and all the other stuff I do for community as well as on an international level....and frankly for me the thanks is the annoying part....if I can be a silent worker bee and no one the wiser that is what truly makes me happy.

And with all I do and whatever happens in my life I always ask What Would Jesus Do....It makes it a no brainer for all I do.


so are you saying it works better if you have no brain? :tongue: flowerforyou

happy thanksgiving deb!!!:angel:

SkyHook5652's photo
Mon 11/24/08 12:30 PM
wHAT IS THIS MORAL OBLIGATION TO HELP THOSE IN NEED? WHY DON'T WE [LIKE THE ANIMALS] JUST LET WHATEVER HAPPENS TO OTHERS JUST HAPPEN AND ACCEPT IT AS A NORMAL THING??
This defined "Moral Obligation" is a term that mankind has assigned to the phenomenon of an intrinsic desire to "help" those in need. "Ethics" being the personal choices we make to contribute to (or detract from) the welfare and/or happiness of others and ourselves is another term to describe something already intrinsic. Just because our advanced brains have allowed us to assign these names and subsequent definitions, doesn't mean we have the "WHY" of it.

What if there was a Universal "Why"? In other words, what if a clearly defined energy (some call it God) that connects each of us to one another drives us "instinctually" to help for the greatest good of the whole? What if, in those instances when we don't help, it still is of the greatest good of all?

Neanderthals were pack "animals". They needed each other to be "successful". Through the ages, Humans have demonstrated pack mentality on MANY levels.

What our "uniquely" Human "conscious" thought has been doing is adding layer upon layer of assigned meanings to everything before us, further creating illusion that we are somehow far beyond or "above" letting whatever happens... happen. We actually believe that our conscious thought is dictating, when in fact it merely is running the numbers, so to speak. Higher Self or God determines how much or how little. Many Humans (even the highly religious) think deep down that we possess the power to determine our destiny.

By Gum!

I'm beginning to see that we don't!
whoa


I don't understand the objection to "assignment of meaning". That seems to me to be the basic purpose of consciousness - to assign meaning. Without "assignment of meaning" nothing has any meaning"! A beautiful work of art has exactly the same meaning as a raped child - i.e. none.

Having no meaning at all is one of the three most depressing things I can think of.

So please strighten this out for me splendid. I can't believe I'm understanding you correctly.

feralcatlady's photo
Mon 11/24/08 01:36 PM
awwwww Tribo-Meister still the funniest one....arr arr arr.....and you have a wonderful Thanksgiving too.





Well now isn't this special.....I help and have always helped others because it is something that is in me, myself and I. It's not because I get anything from it....to the contrary it's because I see a need and I fill it. I have been like this since I was little both with human beings and with the animals of this planet.

When I came to the Lord what that did for me was for me to know that it was a great thing to do for others. This brought me to the ministry in India, the Operation Christmas Child that I just did, and all the other stuff I do for community as well as on an international level....and frankly for me the thanks is the annoying part....if I can be a silent worker bee and no one the wiser that is what truly makes me happy.

And with all I do and whatever happens in my life I always ask What Would Jesus Do....It makes it a no brainer for all I do.


so are you saying it works better if you have no brain? :tongue: flowerforyou

happy thanksgiving deb!!!:angel:

splendidlife's photo
Mon 11/24/08 02:10 PM

wHAT IS THIS MORAL OBLIGATION TO HELP THOSE IN NEED? WHY DON'T WE [LIKE THE ANIMALS] JUST LET WHATEVER HAPPENS TO OTHERS JUST HAPPEN AND ACCEPT IT AS A NORMAL THING??
This defined "Moral Obligation" is a term that mankind has assigned to the phenomenon of an intrinsic desire to "help" those in need. "Ethics" being the personal choices we make to contribute to (or detract from) the welfare and/or happiness of others and ourselves is another term to describe something already intrinsic. Just because our advanced brains have allowed us to assign these names and subsequent definitions, doesn't mean we have the "WHY" of it.

What if there was a Universal "Why"? In other words, what if a clearly defined energy (some call it God) that connects each of us to one another drives us "instinctually" to help for the greatest good of the whole? What if, in those instances when we don't help, it still is of the greatest good of all?

Neanderthals were pack "animals". They needed each other to be "successful". Through the ages, Humans have demonstrated pack mentality on MANY levels.

What our "uniquely" Human "conscious" thought has been doing is adding layer upon layer of assigned meanings to everything before us, further creating illusion that we are somehow far beyond or "above" letting whatever happens... happen. We actually believe that our conscious thought is dictating, when in fact it merely is running the numbers, so to speak. Higher Self or God determines how much or how little. Many Humans (even the highly religious) think deep down that we possess the power to determine our destiny.

By Gum!

I'm beginning to see that we don't!
whoa


I don't understand the objection to "assignment of meaning". That seems to me to be the basic purpose of consciousness - to assign meaning. Without "assignment of meaning" nothing has any meaning"! A beautiful work of art has exactly the same meaning as a raped child - i.e. none.

Having no meaning at all is one of the three most depressing things I can think of.

So please strighten this out for me splendid. I can't believe I'm understanding you correctly.


I whole-heartedly agree that this is exactly the purpose of "consciousness". No objection to the assignment of meaning.

Being human myself :wink: , I understand that assigning meaning is what our brains HAD to have been designed to do.

Don't we all struggle to varying degrees with knowing the difference between what is actually happening and the meaning(s) our past memories assign to what is happening? Cannot these perceptions shift on a dime?

The conscious learning that we experience can be directly attributed to assigning meaning. All for conscious learning here, but believe that this conscious process could be a mere tip O' the ole' iceberg.

splendidlife's photo
Mon 11/24/08 02:34 PM


wHAT IS THIS MORAL OBLIGATION TO HELP THOSE IN NEED? WHY DON'T WE [LIKE THE ANIMALS] JUST LET WHATEVER HAPPENS TO OTHERS JUST HAPPEN AND ACCEPT IT AS A NORMAL THING??


This defined "Moral Obligation" is a term that mankind has assigned to the phenomenon of an intrinsic desire to "help" those in need. "Ethics" being the personal choices we make to contribute to (or detract from) the welfare and/or happiness of others and ourselves is another term to describe something already intrinsic. Just because our advanced brains have allowed us to assign these names and subsequent definitions, doesn't mean we have the "WHY" of it.

What if there was a Universal "Why"? In other words, what if a clearly defined energy (some call it God) that connects each of us to one another drives us "instinctually" to help for the greatest good of the whole? What if, in those instances when we don't help, it still is of the greatest good of all?

Neanderthals were pack "animals". They needed each other to be "successful". Through the ages, Humans have demonstrated pack mentality on MANY levels.

What our "uniquely" Human "conscious" thought has been doing is adding layer upon layer of assigned meanings to everything before us, further creating illusion that we are somehow far beyond or "above" letting whatever happens... happen. We actually believe that our conscious thought is dictating, when in fact it merely is running the numbers, so to speak. Higher Self or God determines how much or how little. Many Humans (even the highly religious) think deep down that we possess the power to determine our destiny.

By Gum!

I'm beginning to see that we don't!
whoa


Having gone back and read this, I see how it would seem as if the statement was renouncing the crucial role consciousness plays in the whole process.

It’s like a game in which the overall object is to gain the key to true peace and as much wisdom possible within physical existence. Our conscious learning is THE reason we exist. It is in recognizing that our consciousness cannot create, by it’s own sheer will power. Conscious thought is prompted by greater knowing to take certain paths...

Infinite paths to choose from that can create infinite outcomes.


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